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by Indigo Child » 07 Jun 2010, 23:32
I just want to point out, because I have a really bad habit of always giving a reason for whatever I state. It is perhaps my training as a philosopher and logician. I stated in the previous post the many assumptions and beliefs you already have. I am going to point them out.
1. Materialism You believe that everything is physical matter. How do you know this? All we can say is that we receive sensory impressions from something external to us, which is then organized by our minds into a coherent whole which we then perceive as reality. What we don't actually know is that this external thing is physical and solid matter.
2. Epiphenomenalism You believe that mind is just produced by the brain. How do you know this? All we can say is that the mind and brain are correlated, because both have the power to affect one another, we cannot say anything about causality. Moreover, the assumption fails because of the illogicality of a physical stuff producing a non physical stuff.
3. Realism You believe that we are in a real world. How do you know this? All we can say is that we access the external world by means of our consciousness. Thus everything is predicated on consciousness, it itself is not a predicate. This consciousness also gives us access to dream worlds. If you accept the waking world as real because it is external, then the dream world is also real because it is external. How do you know it isn't?
4. Positivism You believe in scientific constructs as real things. How do you know this? All that we can say about scientific constructs is they are theoretical constructs, explanations of things, not the things themselves. Moreover,they are explanation of perceptual things, not the things in themselves before perception takes place. "Space-time" is no more real than "force, electricity and quarks" Moreover, you only believe in some scientific constructs. You seem to know nothing about constucts in quantum physics, or string theory which contadict realism and materialism.
In short, taking all those beliefs and assumptions in totality, you believe in a scientific religion of materialism. In principle, no different to a believer in any other religion. I hope you can critically evaluate your own beliefs.
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by ciscop » 07 Jun 2010, 23:46
have you ever seen a guy levitating or you just like to believe it is possible?
For every person who reads this valuable book there are hundreds of naïve souls who would prefer to have their spines tingled by a sensational but worthless potboiler by some hack journalist of the paranormal. You who now read these sentences join a small but wiser minority. Martin Gaardner (Psychology of the Psychic)
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by ciscop » 08 Jun 2010, 00:04
so you do astral travel? that´s pretty cool can you do it on command? or does it only happen a couple of times, like random?
and no it is not a reasoned believe it is like me saying i believe in fairies because a couple of girls in england saw them it is not a reasoned believe. we are humans, we have never proved to posses such power. if nobody has seen those masters perform, then it is just faith and wishful thinking.
For every person who reads this valuable book there are hundreds of naïve souls who would prefer to have their spines tingled by a sensational but worthless potboiler by some hack journalist of the paranormal. You who now read these sentences join a small but wiser minority. Martin Gaardner (Psychology of the Psychic)
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by really? » 08 Jun 2010, 02:43
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by ciscop » 08 Jun 2010, 04:35
hahahaha being rational is not a reason of faith nor a religion, believing somebody can fly without seeing it it is
and yes i did experience astral travel that was way back when i was reading one of shirley mcclaine books althought i do believe it was just a dream and nothing more (it has happened a few times ever since) i do enjoy them, i do think they are awesome but they are dreams
For every person who reads this valuable book there are hundreds of naïve souls who would prefer to have their spines tingled by a sensational but worthless potboiler by some hack journalist of the paranormal. You who now read these sentences join a small but wiser minority. Martin Gaardner (Psychology of the Psychic)
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by Indigo Child » 08 Jun 2010, 06:02
ciscop,
Then you are closer than you think to validating the existence of spiritual realities and higher dimensions. In a sense you are right that astral travel is a dream, all dreams indeed take place in the astral plane and are just as real as waking experiences taking place in the physical plane.
As it has the characteristic of reality it is possible to have objectivity in the astral plane. In the same way you you have a body in the waking plane, you have one in the astral plane and have an objective access to the astral world, where you can interact with others. This is no less real than the physical plane.
You can do astral experiments that will give you validation. For instance you can place in a sealed box some object, such as a randomly selected playing card and then you can astral travel look at the hidden playing card, and come back and verify it is indeed the same. A more simpler experiment is to spy on your friends or family listen to what they are saying in the astral, return to waking and then verify it. A third type of experiment where you can interact with somebody in the astral plane, and then later in waking you can confirm the interaction took place.
These experiments have already been done by scientists researching astral travel and positive results have been found for the reality of astral travel.
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by ciscop » 08 Jun 2010, 06:39
i will like to take a look at those experiments
well sure i do hope that i am actually doing that leaving the body and all that it does feel like a fantastic experience when you wake up, you feel awesome but i think thats pretty much because flying is my version of a teenager´s wet dream i love the idea of flying
and the problem with doing that of the playing card is that i never know when ill have one of those experiences, it is not like it happens once a month, it happened to me like less than 10 times in the past 10 years but i guess it is worth the try
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