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Re: The Horrors of Public Education

Postby Arouet » 08 Dec 2010, 04:19

Ok, so I decided to actually watch the first video (at least it was short). Sure, in a very superficial manner, school is like prison: there are rules, there is a hierarchy, it is mandatory to go, the kids have very little say. Ok, all when and good. But it's a skin deep comparison.

First of all, kids need some kind of structure. They do not have the mental maturity to make decisions on their own. And so when they are at home parents must direct them, and when they are at school, teachers must direct them. No matter where they are, they will be directed. Yes there is a lot of memorization in school: it is because there is a lot of basic knowledge that children need to learn in a complex world. But they don't just learn to memorize: they learn how to think, they learn how to compare different points of view, they learn how to do research, and they also learn to be creative. I learned how to play an instrument in school. I took an extensive interest in creative writing even writng a "novel" when I was in grade 6.

A good school will strike a balance between ordered learning, and fostering imagination.

The youtuber provides no evidence that children in school are taught nothing but to obey, and not how to think critically. He simply declares it. He offers no solutions. Perhaps he is implying that there should be no school, that kids should do -what? Explore the forest like Rousseau advocated? We live in a conplex world requiring a certain amount of sophistication. Are we just going to let kids stay home and watch tv? What will they learn? What wil happen when they grow up?

The video flashes an anarchy synbol at one point, hinting that that is his prefered system. Is there any evidence whatsover, whether practical or experimental, that shows that Anarchy is a good philosophy for a society?

And school differs from prison in many ways. It's entire premise is different. Prison is a place of punishment, with some learning. School is a place for learning, with some punishment.

If the youtuber has a better system in mind, let's hear it. That's not to say there isn't room for improvement, and in some cases vast room for improvement. But this video is light on substantive and high on hyperbole. It is manipulative and immature.
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Re: The Horrors of Public Education

Postby NinjaPuppy » 08 Dec 2010, 18:47

I don't want to make it seem that I am excluding the rest of your excellent comments but this sentence really stands out-
A good school will strike a balance between ordered learning, and fostering imagination.

You said a mouthful baby!

I think that all the problems and the solutions come down to money or lack of it. Yes, I'm sure there are many schools that excel or die regardless of operating budgets but when we are talking about a child's education it should always be with the attitude that there is always room for improvement.
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Re: The Horrors of Public Education

Postby Scepcop » 10 Dec 2010, 17:21

Arouet, how would you contrast the public school system with prison? They contain the exact same features and environment.

How come kids in Europe don't hate school as much as kids in America do? Could it be that their schools are far less oppressive?

Check out these podcasts at the schoolsucksproject:

http://www.schoolsucksproject.com/podcasts
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Re: The Horrors of Public Education

Postby ProfWag » 10 Dec 2010, 18:09

Scepcop wrote:Arouet, how would you contrast the public school system with prison? They contain the exact same features and environment.

They do? I tend to disagree.
Scepcop wrote:
How come kids in Europe don't hate school as much as kids in America do?

What are you basing this information on?
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Re: The Horrors of Public Education

Postby Arouet » 11 Dec 2010, 00:30

Scepcop wrote:Arouet, how would you contrast the public school system with prison? They contain the exact same features and environment.


I've already answered this: see my post a couple up.
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Re: The Horrors of Public Education

Postby ProfWag » 11 Dec 2010, 01:38

Arouet wrote:Ok, so I decided to actually watch the first video (at least it was short). Sure, in a very superficial manner, school is like prison: there are rules, there is a hierarchy, it is mandatory to go, the kids have very little say. Ok, all when and good. But it's a skin deep comparison.

Good post Arouet. BTW, your superficial comparison sounds a lot like my house as well...
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