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Lady Luck

Postby ProfWag » 12 Feb 2010, 22:36

Skeptics and Non-Skeptics, I'd like to hear some thoughts.
I'm on my way to a casino in a couple weeks for a "bachelor weekend" of gambling. Is there anything I can do to improve my luck? Is there anything to luck at all? Does being superstitious such as having my lucky underwear on improve my luck? I'm not really looking for gambling advice itself (I've already looked into odds and how to play, etc.), instead I'm looking more towards the "paranormal" side of gambling, if you will...
Also, and I mean this sincerely, I'm not looking to poke fun at believing in luck at all, I'm just wanting to learn and hear what you have to think. I'm not an experienced gambler at all and have probably set foot in a casino a half-dozen times in my life.
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Re: Lady Luck

Postby Kevin Kane » 12 Feb 2010, 23:19

I wrote a piece about this once .. I may be able to find it, but essentially .. you make your own luck.

But

Casinos are built and operated to win and they don't take chances. They know they will win and they do. If you can't be as sure about winning as they are, don't gamble.
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Re: Lady Luck

Postby ProfWag » 12 Feb 2010, 23:38

Kevin Kane wrote:I wrote a piece about this once .. I may be able to find it, but essentially .. you make your own luck.

But

Casinos are built and operated to win and they don't take chances. They know they will win and they do. If you can't be as sure about winning as they are, don't gamble.

I guess that's good advice, but I spend $10 a week on lottery tickets knowing I have a, like, 1 in 170 million chance of winning. Should I not play since I'm pretty sure I won't win? Don't most people go to a casino knowing they have a less of a chance of winning than the house does, but there's always that chance for excitement? If I go knowing that I have such and such amout of cash I'm willing to lose, then quit after I get there, isn't that the same as spending money on an entertainment venue suck as a concert or sporting event?
Also, wouldn't that be the same advice about going to a psychic/astrologer...that if you're not as sure about the accuracy of the advice, then don't go?
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Re: Lady Luck

Postby Kevin Kane » 12 Feb 2010, 23:49

Yes, I believe you can improve your chances. If your first thought about luck was to wear lucky underwear .. go with it. If you feel unsafe or unsure about something, don't do it. But look instead for things/courses of action that will increase your feelings of saftey and certainty.

Casinos are fun and enjoyable places. You can be certain that it will be enjoyable and entertaining. Armed with the right attitude is a sure way to win ... a good time.

The same is true for the other stuff too.
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Re: Lady Luck

Postby ProfWag » 13 Feb 2010, 00:04

Thanks Kevin and I think you're right on point. Luck, I believe, is in the eye of the beholder. For example, if I'm prepared to blow a little cash, even if I walk away having lost everything I budgeted for, I can still claim that I was lucky that I was able to go and enjoy myself for a period of time (thanks to my lucky blue pair of underpants...). Of course, gambling addictions can be dangerous, but if one has done their homework, made a plan/budget, and sticks to it, then it can be considered fun. The problem is for people who don't know when to stop or are not able to stop when they need to. Similar with going to psychics. If one does their homework, has a little extra cash, and able to reason with themselves after leaving the psychic, then it can also be considered fun. Again, the problem is for people who have witnessed people like Uri, Sylvia, and John Edward and believe in these abilities and make poor choices with money and emotions they should probably have spent elsewhere. (Hense my problem with these people and why I think it's not okay to just let them spread their word about psychic abilities.)
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Re: Lady Luck

Postby Kevin Kane » 13 Feb 2010, 00:13

A psychic or astrologer is a personal advisor. They would have provided advice just like I did in my previous posts. You are free to take it or leave it, but I'm sure that it's good advice, and I would advise you to take it. Some people go to psychotherapists, with varying degrees of success and failure, and I've seen many people become "addicted" and shuffle from one therapist to another for years .. at considerably greater expense, I might add.
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Re: Lady Luck

Postby NinjaPuppy » 13 Feb 2010, 01:04

I have often wondered if I am a 'lucky' person or not. I agree with Kevin that you make your own luck. In a gambling situation, 'beating the odds' seems to be more apppropriate than 'luck'. Even if they are the same thing.

I know a couple who won the lottery twice. Talk about beating the odds. I'd probably stop buying lottery tickets after my first multi-million dollar win. They continued to play and did it twice.

I don't consider myself to be 'superstitious' but then again my definition of superstition and religious practice might be seen as the same exact thing by some. We Wiccans have a ton of different spells or rituals that can be done for a multitude of purposes. I tend to use only those deemed 'protection' rituals as the others seem to come with some possibly nasty or unexpected side effects.
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Re: Lady Luck

Postby ProfWag » 13 Feb 2010, 01:21

Kevin Kane wrote:A psychic or astrologer is a personal advisor. They would have provided advice just like I did in my previous posts. You are free to take it or leave it, but I'm sure that it's good advice, and I would advise you to take it. Some people go to psychotherapists, with varying degrees of success and failure, and I've seen many people become "addicted" and shuffle from one therapist to another for years .. at considerably greater expense, I might add.

Based on what you say here, I think I see where our difference lies. I don't think people should go see people without some kind of valid qualification to provide advice, whereas you think it's okay for people to go to see people for advice who have not been certified or have any kind of qualification. Correct?
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Re: Lady Luck

Postby ProfWag » 13 Feb 2010, 01:23

NinjaPuppy wrote:I have often wondered if I am a 'lucky' person or not. I agree with Kevin that you make your own luck. In a gambling situation, 'beating the odds' seems to be more apppropriate than 'luck'. Even if they are the same thing.

I know a couple who won the lottery twice. Talk about beating the odds. I'd probably stop buying lottery tickets after my first multi-million dollar win. They continued to play and did it twice.

I don't consider myself to be 'superstitious' but then again my definition of superstition and religious practice might be seen as the same exact thing by some. We Wiccans have a ton of different spells or rituals that can be done for a multitude of purposes. I tend to use only those deemed 'protection' rituals as the others seem to come with some possibly nasty or unexpected side effects.

Feel free to cast that lucky spell my way Ninja! Or, if you'd rather, just send your Bridge group down to Tunica for the weekend. From what you've said before, I'll gladly let them play a game of Bridge in my room... ;-)
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Re: Lady Luck

Postby Kevin Kane » 13 Feb 2010, 01:25

ProfWag wrote:Based on what you say here, I think I see where our difference lies. I don't think people should go see people without some kind of valid qualification to provide advice, whereas you think it's okay for people to go to see people for advice who have not been certified or have any kind of qualification. Correct?


Um .. you asked for advice. And only the person asking can validate, certify and qualify whether the advise is worthy.
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Re: Lady Luck

Postby ProfWag » 13 Feb 2010, 03:13

Kevin Kane wrote:
ProfWag wrote:Based on what you say here, I think I see where our difference lies. I don't think people should go see people without some kind of valid qualification to provide advice, whereas you think it's okay for people to go to see people for advice who have not been certified or have any kind of qualification. Correct?


Um .. you asked for advice. And only the person asking can validate, certify and qualify whether the advise is worthy.

Often true, but also there often are times one is not capable of deciding whether or not the advice is worthy without some "guidance." For example, if I were to ask some advice on betting while playing blackjack, you could very well give me some pointers. BUT, are you qualified to be giving me this advice?
To elaborate, let's say I'm asking this advice and you give it to me, but you are really just someone who gambles from time to time out of enjoyment and what you're giving me is "untrained" advice based on a few personal experiences, but you lead me to believe you are an expert at gambling. Is that morally right on your part?
It sounds like you believe in caveat emptor, and I do as well, but there should also be a moral obligation on the seller's part as well. You are correct that I have the right to use this advice as I see fit, but I also believe that if someone is promoting themselves as something they aren't, then those people are free game to be exposed as fraudulent and, quite frankly, I believe they SHOULD be exposed--hence--I'm a vocal skeptic.
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Re: Lady Luck

Postby Kevin Kane » 13 Feb 2010, 04:01

That's reasonable. But people who are good at something usually develop it into a profession or semi-profession, based on experience and reputation, and may advertise themselves as such. Based on these criteria .. every profession is open to skepticism.

The problem of choosing one profession to criticize or mistrust shows bias, shows an agenda to discredit or ruin. What gives skeptics the right to do such a thing? Shouldn't a professional skeptic also be qualified or certified? Should skeptics also earn the public trust? Or should we just let skeptics disparage or slander any business they choose to, for whatever reason?
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Re: Lady Luck

Postby tiger » 13 Feb 2010, 05:05

How to win at a casino.
1. Get a job at the casino.
2. Do not place any bets at the casino. Watch other people loss their money.
3. Be very lucky. Do not depend on this.
4. Play black jack and know the secret of winning. Then you will win about 51 - 60% of the time. Sorry this method is complex and needs lots of practice.

As for buying tatts tickets. If the prize is $10m how many times better is that than $10?
a. 1 million.
b. More than 1 million.
c. Who cares? I am not buying it for the win. I am buying it for the fantasy of the win.

None of the answers are incorrect.
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Re: Lady Luck

Postby ciscop » 13 Feb 2010, 05:10

tiger wrote:How to win at a casino.
1. Get a job at the casino.
2. Do not place any bets at the casino. Watch other people loss their money.
3. Be very lucky. Do not depend on this.
4. Play black jack and know the secret of winning. Then you will win about 51 - 60% of the time. Sorry this method is complex and needs lots of practice.

As for buying tatts tickets. If the prize is $10m how many times better is that than $10?
a. 1 million.
b. More than 1 million.
c. Who cares? I am not buying it for the win. I am buying it for the fantasy of the win.

None of the answers are incorrect.


the first one seems the best choice
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Re: Lady Luck

Postby ProfWag » 13 Feb 2010, 19:31

Kevin Kane wrote:That's reasonable. But people who are good at something usually develop it into a profession or semi-profession, based on experience and reputation, and may advertise themselves as such. Based on these criteria .. every profession is open to skepticism.

The problem of choosing one profession to criticize or mistrust shows bias, shows an agenda to discredit or ruin. What gives skeptics the right to do such a thing? Shouldn't a professional skeptic also be qualified or certified? Should skeptics also earn the public trust? Or should we just let skeptics disparage or slander any business they choose to, for whatever reason?

Look guys (and gals), please let me be clear about my standpoint. I do not like it when skeptics disparage or slander people. I really don't. One of the reasons I'm here is that I get frustrated with many of those at the JREF for doing just that without giving believers some sort of a chance. HOWEVER, it is NOT just skeptics that disparage or slander. I've been on here for over 6 months now, posting quite regularly, and I can assure you than non-skeptics or anti-skeptics alike have done the same thing to me. So, it's not just skeptics that do this. I would like to think that myself, I promote honest and mature debate. I think that sometimes this forum was set up so that people who get disparaged over at the JREF have a sounding board here, but the actions of a few does not reflect that actions of ALL skeptics. At least, that's my perseption and belief.
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