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Health Care or Scepcop's Bowels

Postby ProfWag » 04 Nov 2009, 05:32

The following post is from the thread Scepcop started concerning his Irritable Bowel Syndrome:
Scepcop wrote:Profwag, what is your problem again? This is an off topic board. What topics do you expect me to bring up here? If the topics suck, then why don't you bring up one that's better?


Now, if you have read any of my posts, then you are already aware that I am not capable of coming up with a topic better than Scepcop's bowels. However, I will make an attempt since I seldom let a challenge go unanswered. (For those of you not in the U.S., you may not be aware of the current hot news topic which is about legisltation to change our current health care system, so you may not care to read on.)

About a month ago, myself and a dozen or so other human resource professionals sat down for about an hour with Senator Blanche Lincoln (D-AR) to discuss current Congressional proposals concerning health care changes and their possible affects on small and large businesses. At the time, Sen. Lincoln was riding the fence on the public option portion of the talks. My concern became increasingly more "concerning" to me as she spoke and asked/answered questions. When it was my turn to speak, I came up with this question (paraphrased): I don't believe there is a person in America who wouldn't like to see each and every person with adequate health care. Unfortunately, 25 million legal citizens currently do not have insurance or access to doctors. It's true that when these 25 million become seriously ill, they often seek care in a way that we with insurance end up paying for. However, what concerns me the most is that if all of them suddenly become eligile for health care, where are the doctors going to come from to service these people the government will now be supporting? The only possibilities I can see is that either we must give medical licenses to people who may not deserve it or we as hard-working, tax paying Americans with insurance will have to wait longer or receive less than quality care. So, my question to you, Senator Lincoln, has the Senate actually thought about the quality of health care and if so, what are they going to do about the future of quality care in America? Her answer (paraphrased as I only took notes and did not record her answer): "Well Mr. Wag, that is certainly a good question and one that I cannot answer at this time. I can say that yes, the Senate has thought about the quality of health care, but there is no answer I can give you as to how the quality of care will continue in the near future. That is why we, in the State of Arkansas especially, need to start encouraging math and science in our youth so they can grow up to become physicians. We will especially have a need for family practice type doctors and I foresee incentives for people to become less specialized and more family practice oriented in the practices. But again, that is a good question and one the Senate is trying to find a fix for."
Now, I don't know about any of you, but the thought that it will take a generation before we have enough doctors to support a new health care system scares the living bejeezus out of me. How about your thoughts?
On a recent side-note update, Senator Lincoln has now broken with party lines and will not support a health care bill with a public option in it. Did I have something to do with that? I'd like to think so, but who knows?
(And again, I sincerely apologize for not being as good of an off-topic subject as Scepcop's bowels.)
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Re: Health Care or Scepcop's Bowels

Postby brett » 04 Nov 2009, 15:32

ah gawd bless the national health service governor :lol: - there is another downside to "universal health care" too prof and that is as we have found here in the UK ( we pay for ours via "national insurance" deducted from earnings through out ones life ) that because of the accursed EU , we are having to support the health care of thousands ( if not millions - depends which part of the government lies on the subject one believes :roll: ) of immigrants both legal and illegal - at the expense of the indigenous population - and also the cost of drug treatments ( especially for things like cancer drugs ) is an open chequebook for the pharmaceutical companies to exploit

and whilst i DO NOT agree with your system of "ability to pay " - as if say i was to live in the states i would be screwed bigtime with my health problems , i do believe that the fundamental right to BASIC health care for the citizens of a state is paramount PROVIDED they have contributed towards that in some way -( according to means ) but for those who have NEVER contributed , then sorry , we ain't running a charity here :x

mind you this is a very UN PC viewpoint here , and it seems that many regard it as our duty to support every waif and stray that enters the country ( by what ever means ) - and yet they moan like hell about taxation levels - although many of those so vehemently supporting the "rights " of these people are themselves the very ones who have never paid into the system - TAKE yea - contribute not on your Nelly :x

when i was forced to give up work ( because of a stroke which caused my other problems as well ) - I felt guilty for for the first time in my life ( and i started working at 15 years old ) having to ask for help - but now realise that i should not feel guilty as I have paid my whack ( more than actually as we used to get REALLY screwed by the system for having a "second job - that of community fire fighter ) - but even now don't abuse the system as there ARE those out there with greater needs than I

so what the answer is for the states i don't know - certainly i am not advocating the free treatment of things like drug addiction etc - we do this here and yet I and other disabled people get stigmatised as being a "drain" on resources - yet your druggie who is costing the state thousands a year - and probably stealing and robbing to feed the habit - oh they are creatures who deserve "sympathy" -( i tell you our priorities are REALLY screwed up here :x ) - and yet we get frequently abused by people who seem to think the state provides thins like my mobility scooters - they don't of course !! - but the perception is there

any ways sorry for the rant - but this is a subject that REALLY gets my back up - as i see the injustice of the system against those who are ill and disabled through NO fault of their own - yet WE are in our crazy mixed up PC looney tunes country are regarded as the villains of the piece - where as the feckless and lazy just walk in and every one is doing the bleeding harts bit over them :x :x :x :x

better stop now or my blood pressure will go through the roof :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Health Care or Scepcop's Bowels

Postby ProfWag » 04 Nov 2009, 19:36

Sorry to get your blood boiling Brett. That wasn't my intention, but it does get to me also. I have absolutely NO problem with helping those who need it. In fact, I think that it is a human right for those who can to hellp those not as fortunate. My problem is in those able to work and choose to collect government subsidies. Of course, that's what our government currently does with Medicaid (if you can get through all the red tape and paperwork, that is.)
I used to date a girl who lived in Thetford, Norfolk. (She was a hottie, but that's a different story... 8-) ) Anyway, the British Gov't gave her 20 quid a week and an appartment to live in, even though she was quite able to work, but didn't. I never understood that, but she was quite happy with it. Don't know if they still give handouts like that and I'm not sure I could agree with it if they did.
But the point of my post is that I am quite concerned with the future of the quality of my health care. Not that we're at the top of the list now, by any stretch...
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Re: Health Care or Scepcop's Bowels

Postby brett » 05 Nov 2009, 00:59

nah you are ok prof - its the subject ;)
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Re: Health Care or Scepcop's Bowels

Postby ciscop » 05 Nov 2009, 05:20

you deceived me
i thought we were going to talk about scescop bowels..

hahahahaha

health care.. is the big topic in america now uh?
i am from a 3rd world country so that´s a century from being seen here
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Re: Health Care or Scepcop's Bowels

Postby ProfWag » 05 Nov 2009, 05:30

ciscop wrote:you deceived me
i thought we were going to talk about scescop bowels..

hahahahaha

health care.. is the big topic in america now uh?
i am from a 3rd world country so that´s a century from being seen here

I thought you lived in Mexico? Or is that considered a 3rd world country now?
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Re: Health Care or Scepcop's Bowels

Postby ciscop » 05 Nov 2009, 13:07

i think by all standards we are a 3rd world country
our police men win like 400 dollars a month
no wonder why so many of them are colluded with the drug cartels
who pay them even twice as much
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Re: Health Care or Scepcop's Bowels

Postby brett » 05 Nov 2009, 13:44

england's a bloody 3rd world country :roll: ( muse ) - least ways you have sunshine in Mexico :lol:
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Re: Health Care or Scepcop's Bowels

Postby Nostradamus » 07 Nov 2009, 12:21

I ran into a bit of trouble at a party one time. A person said, "I'm British you know." And I said without thinking, "I know. I could tell by your tan." He was out of sorts before you could say Bob's your uncle. Fortunately, his friends removed him before I received a sound thrashing.

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