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Re: Whats worst for a magician? exposure or a bad performer

Postby ciscop » 29 May 2010, 02:22

are you reading what i am saying ?
i am not EXPOSING their secrets
i do not support the masked magician

why would i expose kevin james floating rose? that´s an awesome illusion i perform
(without the ball dancing alone, i havent master it the way copperfield does)
even thought i didnt perform it.. why would i go around telling the inner workings? why would i expose the snow animator?
kevin james will only have a problem with me if he went around saying he is a psychic
do you get it???

oh and by the way.
Penn and teller tell the secrets of some major illusions dummy, derren brown talks about cold reading also wiseman also randi, i hardly think they are comedians althought i do find amusing when randi exposes tricks of the psychics.
houdini also exposed the secrets of mediums, was he a comedian?... Ben Harris exposed the tricks of Uri, is he a Comedian?
get it right rabbitpuller. :lol:
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Re: Whats worst for a magician? exposure or a bad performer

Postby mmreed » 29 May 2010, 03:04

ciscop wrote:are you reading what i am saying ?
i am not EXPOSING their secrets

why would i expose kevin james floating rose? that´s an awesome illusion i perform
(without the ball dancing alone, i havent master it the way copperfield does)
even thought i didnt perform it.. why would i go around telling the inner workings? why would i expose the snow animator?
kevin james will only have a problem with me if he went around saying he is a psychic
do you get it???

oh and by the way.
Penn and teller tell the secrets of some major illusions dummy, derren brown talks about cold reading also wiseman also randi, i hardly think they are comedians althought i do find amusing when randi exposes tricks of the psychics.
houdini also exposed the secrets of mediums, was he a comedian?... Ben Harris exposed the tricks of Uri, is he a Comedian?
get it right rabbitpuller. :lol:




please do not try and blow smoke around it.

Fact: You continually post videos that show an illusion exposed.
Fact: That is exposure by proxy

If you are trying to say you are exposing Craig Browning's illusion because you are upset that he makes comments about psychics - well the fact is that pretty freeking childish of you. Rather than confront him in debate over the topic of psychics, you post exposing videos?

If you are not posting it just because it is Mr. Brownings, then WHY are you posting it?
If you say because you find it funny, how does posting it make it more comical? It does not.

It comes down to one simple fact - you are posting it to be a hostile.

The motivation behind the hostility is what is uncertain - either towards Craig Browning, or to just be hostile and disrespectful to the art.

And when you say

"are you reading what i am saying ?
i am not EXPOSING their secrets"

By continually passing the video to folks... HOW ARE YOU NOT??? **YOU** are the vehicle that is purposefully providing the exposure! If you were not exposing, you wouldnt be posting it! its that easy.

Im looking back at how you try to correlate information between posts and franky, I am starting to think you have some level of dysfunction. Houdini, Ben Harris, and the others you mention ALL USE GIMMICKS AND SECRET METHODS.

You think Penn and Teller wouldnt be pissed if some clown like you posted a video exposing the bullet catch they do? or the miser's goldfish???
And for the record, there are MANY professionals that are unhappy with the exposure P&T put out there.

The simple fact is, you disrespect the art. If you want to fight with Craig Browning - then fight with Craig Browning - but do so on a RELEVANT topic of debunking psychics!!! not continually providing exposure videos of legitimate illusions!

The only thing you do by continually trying to defend your misplaced sense of self-righteousness is make your self look foolish and child like.

Maybe the youtube kiddies think you are cool, but everyone else is seeing you as some clueless wannabe disgruntled person.

Grow up - and learn to debate tactically.
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Re: Whats worst for a magician? exposure or a bad performer

Postby ciscop » 29 May 2010, 03:19

lets see...
i posted that illusion at first
to discuss what was worst a bad performer or a magician exposing secrets
i was indeed tired of hearing craig and koenig talking crap about magicians that expose secrets of the trade
that was it, the interesting part is that it turned out to be craig browning illusion

then i started posting it several times
but only after the fact that craig called me an asswipe and threaten to sue me
both of which i think are way more hostile than to post a youtube video
i will back off when he accepts he was out of line

by the way is kind of interesting
how you got here? 1st thing you posted was on this thread?
and you happened to be a magician?... what an amazing coincidence!
serendipity!
or more likely did craig told on me?
which means i got under his skin.. hahaha :lol:
ooooh i do think i am wining in my own terms :lol:

i also think you are quite dumb since you think a guy that doesnt care about the secrets is a comedian
didnt penn and teller showed the world the thumbtip on one of their specials? didnt they showed how they dissapeared the submarine?.. oh yeah.. but since they didnt care about telling everybody .. then they are comedians, not magicians
what a stupid statement

i do not disrespect the art
i do not post videos teaching nor do i share my magic library
i do disrespect people that disrespect me and psychics, thats it

who you are and why are you here?
do you also take money out of old widows?
i almost forgot.. where are my manners?
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Re: Whats worst for a magician? exposure or a bad performer

Postby mmreed » 29 May 2010, 03:43

AGAIN, please stop blowing smoke and trying to deflect.

you said

"then i started posting it several times
but only after the fact that craig called me an asswipe and threaten to sue me"

So your combative debate back to craig is to post exposure videos???

What about the folks that purchased this illusion that have NOTHING to do with you... do you think this is fair to them?
This illusion is a tool that some use to make a living, and here you are tossing it out there like its a piece of meat in your dog fight with Craig.

Is that fair to those that use this effect? Hell no.

This goes back to my statement that you are disrespectful to the art and by continually defending your ploys, show just how much of a bottomfeeder you are.

As for your comment about the comedians, you certainly did not comprehend the jesting point.

With the way you relate to folks, your expressions, written mannerisms, ect... I have to ask... how old are you? and tell us a bit about yourself... I get the impression you are a young kid that still thinks the world owes him something.. or some dysfunctional middle-aged person that is still sore that Betty Sue didn't go with you to the prom...

As for me, Im a 39 year old professional performer, magic shop owner, grindshow performer, author, ex-military, infotech consultant that does not steal money from little old ladies. I prefer to steal my money by busking - but hey... sometimes little old ladies toss a $20 in the hat...

So - since your fragile ego seems to always need the last word, get our your thesaurus and put together some intelligent dialogue for once...

$20 says you have to post a reply!! ;-)
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Re: Whats worst for a magician? exposure or a bad performer

Postby ciscop » 29 May 2010, 03:51

you do busking? thats pretty sweet!
i never had the balls to do that, i met a magician girl that made *she said so
over 100dollars for 1 hr of performing on the street.. with pretty much things youll buy at ellusionist.. but she was cute so i dont think people care about the tricks

i am a 28 year old psychologist-hypnotherapyst
i own a graphic design center (which is sweet since i get to create a lot of the gimmicks for myself)
and a cybercoffee (without the coffe, just computers
and i am a part time magician and manager of a group of clowns, mimes and magicians. ;)
:D
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Re: Whats worst for a magician? exposure or a bad performer

Postby mmreed » 29 May 2010, 04:06

ciscop wrote:you do busking? thats pretty sweet!
i never had the balls to do that, i met a magician girl that made *she said so
over 100dollars for 1 hr of performing on the street.. with pretty much things youll buy at ellusionist.. but she was cute so i dont think people care about the tricks
:D


Busking is what I enjoy most. Total freedom. The money is great. In the right locations you can build a $60-80 hat twice an hour fairly easy.
Even more in optimal locations like New Orleans. Ive been lucky to have a personal friend that taught me the ropes - one of the most successful buskers out there - Kozmo.
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Re: Whats worst for a magician? exposure or a bad performer

Postby ciscop » 29 May 2010, 04:17

mmreed wrote:
ciscop wrote:you do busking? thats pretty sweet!
i never had the balls to do that, i met a magician girl that made *she said so
over 100dollars for 1 hr of performing on the street.. with pretty much things youll buy at ellusionist.. but she was cute so i dont think people care about the tricks
:D


yeah.. i do envy you on that, but like i said, i never had the balls to do it
just like the first time i performed for over 100 people or the first time i build up confidence to do table hopping..
i wouldnt know how to start a busking routine... just to think about getting the people all around you makes me nervous, it is a totally different feeling that when you get hired for performing, not sure if i explain myself.

one time.. i was in guatemala and started doing magic tricks for the kids on the main square.. suddenly i was all surrounded by a huge amount of people and it was an awesome feeling knowing that with what i got on my pockets (cards, coins and flashpaper) i could entertain on a moments notice.. but i didnt asked for money so i dont think that counts.

not sure if you can post it
but what would be your normal busking routine?
do you close with gazzo´s cups and balls?
and are you talking about kozmo?.. from kozmo magic?
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Re: Whats worst for a magician? exposure or a bad performer

Postby mmreed » 29 May 2010, 04:26

ciscop wrote:and are you talking about kozmo?.. from kozmo magic?



Yep that Kozmo. He also puts out the REEL MAGIC Quarterly DVDs which are great!! If you dont get them - go subscribe!
(ok Ted, thats another $5 commission!)

Koz is a great performer. If you ever get the chance to watch him work, go for it. Also - his Tales from the Street DVD set is rock solid.
I missed my chance with studying under Cellini, so I soak up as much as I can from Koz.

I do not do Gazzos stuff - too many guys do it - I hate seeing people imitate rather than create.

I do my own variation of things - closing with my take on the razor blades from mouth with an alien abduction and implant vibe to it. In the end, after some tug-o-war, the blades help me remove the little green creature growing inside me! I do alot of crowd participation stuff - and sometimes some crazy duct taped tossed out deck routine I came up with.

I have some busking videos somewhere - Ill find the links
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Re: Whats worst for a magician? exposure or a bad performer

Postby ciscop » 29 May 2010, 04:36

cool
i own cellini´s dvds
he does knows how to work the crowd
and my favorite TOD would be David Regal.

and yeah.. you are right, there´s way too many people doing gazzo stuff
but his cups and balls is one of my favorite routines i do not perform.

in other topics.. is gotta be great owning a magic store
that means you do get to know what´s the stuff right?.. my garage is full of expensive worthless toys i used once and then realized it wasnt for me. looked great on the promo and then opened up the box.. and... the trick was on me..
have you ever got a device and then said to the inventor.. dude.. this thing sucks, i cant sell it?
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Re: Whats worst for a magician? exposure or a bad performer

Postby graham77 » 07 Dec 2012, 19:19

A magician should have high character. He must show character even in very small party. It is all about variety and depth in performance. So, I guess exposure eventually follows performance.
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