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Re: expensive business this ............

Postby WhiteTiger » 02 Nov 2009, 18:27

Age has a whole lot to do with it, since it defines the maximum amount of experience and perspective one can possibly have in a given field. What often look like major revelations and ground breaking "gee whiz" events during the first five or tens years one pursues a subject very often resolve into "ho hum" known dead ends when you have been at it for 30 or 40 years.

Makes no difference how bright or informed one is, experience and perspective trump both in the long run.



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Re: expensive business this ............

Postby accidentsinspace » 02 Nov 2009, 19:00

WhiteTiger wrote:Age has a whole lot to do with it, since it defines the maximum amount of experience and perspective one can possibly have in a given field. What often look like major revelations and ground breaking "gee whiz" events during the first five or tens years one pursues a subject very often resolve into "ho hum" known dead ends when you have been at it for 30 or 40 years.

Makes no difference how bright or informed one is, experience and perspective trump both in the long run.



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I am sorry but I am calling bullshit on this preposterous claim.If this is the case, how come many older people believe propaganda yet people much younger see through it. 9/11 is a case in point. You have to remember that the western world has been deeply mind controlled for decades now, how can we trust someone simply because of their age. I seriously cannot believe your conclusion.
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Re: expensive business this ............

Postby NinjaPuppy » 02 Nov 2009, 20:02

accidentsinspace wrote:
WhiteTiger wrote:Age has a whole lot to do with it, since it defines the maximum amount of experience and perspective one can possibly have in a given field. What often look like major revelations and ground breaking "gee whiz" events during the first five or tens years one pursues a subject very often resolve into "ho hum" known dead ends when you have been at it for 30 or 40 years.

Makes no difference how bright or informed one is, experience and perspective trump both in the long run.

Tiger


I am sorry but I am calling BS on this preposterous claim.If this is the case, how come many older people believe propaganda yet people much younger see through it. 9/11 is a case in point. You have to remember that the western world has been deeply mind controlled for decades now, how can we trust someone simply because of their age. I seriously cannot believe your conclusion.

I don't think that Tiger is saying anything about "believing" anyone. He is talking about "experience and perspective" that comes with time. That happens on a personal level, not a group level.

Let me give you an example. I personally think that YouTube videos are not a valid way of submitting proof. Just because someone crams together some bits and pieces of information (even hard core found facts) into a 10 minute presentation that comes across well, doesn't mean that the contents is correct. The same goes for TV documentaries and movies based on true stories. The reason being that the creator has an agenda and an opinion that will be the core of what you are watching. It all stems from Brett's topic about personal motive. Always ask yourself, what is this person's motive? It's a good start to understand why another person has certain opinions.

As for mind control??? What exactly are you talking about? Other than subliminal advertising, which was outlawed here decades ago, it's nothing more than mass media marketing, bandwagon propaganda etc. Same 'ol, same 'ol. It all revolves around the almighty dollar going into the right pockets. It's modern snake oil salesmen pitching their goods.

The word that you want is apathy. Apathy will bite you in the butt everytime.
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Re: expensive business this ............

Postby WhiteTiger » 02 Nov 2009, 20:15

Now that is an interesting assertion. If, as you contend, the western world has been deeply mind controlled for decades, then those with only a few decades of experience will lack the contrasting background, and that mind control will be largely "water to a fish". That is to say, accepted as the normal state of things and fade invisibly into the general milieu.

As an example, I grew up long enough ago to have begun doing engineering with a slipstick and paper and pencil. Hand any new college grad a slide rule and tell them it's their computer, and watch the blank stares. Another example is the evolution J. A. Hynek went through in his stance regarding ufos. Without the breadth of experience that comes only with time there are important nuances and considerations that remain "water to a fish", invisible as part of the reflexively accepted "normal" background.



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Re: expensive business this ............

Postby brett » 02 Nov 2009, 22:58

accidentsinspace wrote:
WhiteTiger wrote:Age has a whole lot to do with it, since it defines the maximum amount of experience and perspective one can possibly have in a given field. What often look like major revelations and ground breaking "gee whiz" events during the first five or tens years one pursues a subject very often resolve into "ho hum" known dead ends when you have been at it for 30 or 40 years.

Makes no difference how bright or informed one is, experience and perspective trump both in the long run.



Tiger


I am sorry but I am calling bullshit on this preposterous claim.If this is the case, how come many older people believe propaganda yet people much younger see through it. 9/11 is a case in point. You have to remember that the western world has been deeply mind controlled for decades now, how can we trust someone simply because of their age. I seriously cannot believe your conclusion.



because with age comes experience - and a good take on all the BS in the world !! - some call it cyncism - some realism , but one thing is for sure AIS one day you too will realise that there IS more BS than truth AND that the vast majority thrive on the BS rather than looking for the truth - yea apathy about covers it ;)

the reason SOME older folks believe what the "authorities tell them , is because they where "taught" not to question authority when younger - a VERY bad habit to get in to IMO - I have seen guys nearly killed listening to the voice of "authority " - usually spouted by those holding rank - but having little practical experience of life - they never stop and think "what if ?? "
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Re: expensive business this ............

Postby ProfWag » 03 Nov 2009, 00:43

accidentsinspace wrote:
I am sorry but I am calling bullshit on this preposterous claim.If this is the case, how come many older people believe propaganda yet people much younger see through it. 9/11 is a case in point. You have to remember that the western world has been deeply mind controlled for decades now, how can we trust someone simply because of their age. I seriously cannot believe your conclusion.

This statement cracks me up, but in a sad way.
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Re: expensive business this ............

Postby accidentsinspace » 03 Nov 2009, 01:39

ProfWag wrote:
accidentsinspace wrote:
I am sorry but I am calling bullshit on this preposterous claim.If this is the case, how come many older people believe propaganda yet people much younger see through it. 9/11 is a case in point. You have to remember that the western world has been deeply mind controlled for decades now, how can we trust someone simply because of their age. I seriously cannot believe your conclusion.

This statement cracks me up, but in a sad way.


So, James Randi is right because of his age?

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Re: expensive business this ............

Postby ProfWag » 03 Nov 2009, 03:15

NinjaPuppy wrote:ProfWag - The original post by AIS was edited. May I either delete yours or edit it to remove the improper content?

I trust you to do whatever needs to be done. Though if you just delete my post and leave his, then it may look like I agree with what was left of AIPs comment, which I don't at all.
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Re: expensive business this ............

Postby NinjaPuppy » 03 Nov 2009, 03:49

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OK, it's all coming down.

I did a bit of quick googling to see if there was anything of merit that could confirm these claims. I found nothing other than individuals making more claims.

AIS - Drop this subject or feel the sting of the ban button again. The choice is yours.
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Re: expensive business this ............

Postby RarelyImpressed » 03 Nov 2009, 16:01

I get what you guys are saying, I to get discouraged when I get that "sense" that these paranormal researchers want my money and charge outrageous prices. This is true with the JREF and Richard Dawkins websites to promoting DVDs, books, t-shirts ETC. These frickin prices are ridculous, I respect it when they have free downloadable e-books, atleast lose that sense of being duped or ripped off.
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Re: expensive business this ............

Postby ProfWag » 03 Nov 2009, 19:57

RarelyImpressed wrote:I get what you guys are saying, I to get discouraged when I get that "sense" that these paranormal researchers want my money and charge outrageous prices. This is true with the JREF and Richard Dawkins websites to promoting DVDs, books, t-shirts ETC. These frickin prices are ridculous, I respect it when they have free downloadable e-books, atleast lose that sense of being duped or ripped off.

Except the difference is the JREF give away scholarships for higher education with that money. I haven't seen many astrologers, psychics, etc. doing that.
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Re: expensive business this ............

Postby brett » 03 Nov 2009, 23:02

ProfWag wrote:
RarelyImpressed wrote:I get what you guys are saying, I to get discouraged when I get that "sense" that these paranormal researchers want my money and charge outrageous prices. This is true with the JREF and Richard Dawkins websites to promoting DVDs, books, t-shirts ETC. These frickin prices are ridculous, I respect it when they have free downloadable e-books, atleast lose that sense of being duped or ripped off.

Except the difference is the JREF give away scholarships for higher education with that money. I haven't seen many astrologers, psychics, etc. doing that.


ah but i bet you a: have to jump theorugh hoops & b: be a commited sketic to get it though :lol: :lol:
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