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Do magicians use demonic powers to do their tricks?

Postby Scepcop » 19 Sep 2014, 20:44

Do magicians such as David Blaine use demonic powers to do their tricks? When you see some of them, you gotta wonder. Some of his tricks are scientifically impossible even with sleight of hand and props. I wonder why there are no magic books that reveal these kind of tricks. All the magic books out there only reveal the simplest tricks that are nothing like these. Perhaps they are industry trade secrets you only learn in magic school. Or perhaps magician performers like Blaine use CGI, camera tricks and paid actors in their stunts you see on TV. So you gotta wonder if there's anything supernatural involved. See the videos below.



Presentation of how magicians use demonic powers.

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Re: Does David Blaine use demonic powers? Look and decide!

Postby ProfWag » 20 Sep 2014, 03:51

No, they are not "scientifically impossible." Simple explanation for every trick he does. Sorry, but just because someone doesn't know how he does something doesn't make it "demonic." In fact, I have done several of his tricks myself back in the day when I was a magician. Cig through coin and his levitation are both that I have done. The levitation itself is quite an old trick and very easy to do. However, David uses camera editing to make it appear beetter than what it is.
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Re: Does David Blaine use demonic powers? Look and decide!

Postby SydneyPSIder » 22 Sep 2014, 00:07

I would agree. They also use stooges, including amputees and so on, in order to create some of their more baffling tricks. Using stooges or accomplices is one of the oldest magicians' methods in the book.
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Re: Do magicians use demonic powers to do their tricks?

Postby Scepcop » 03 Oct 2014, 02:17

Here is a recent TV special where David Blaine performs many seemingly impossible magic acts around celebrities. However, the ones where he sticks an ice pick through his hand and arm are explainable. Blaine must have small holes in his hand and arms, which is why he pokes it in the same spot in his hand every time. If you push a needle into your hand everyday, and go further and further each day for a long time, eventually it will form a hole, kind of like the holes in pierced ears. The hole in his hand goes through a part that does not have vital organs or blood vessels. The hole is in a specific place, so only he can stick the ice pick through it, and cannot let others do it. He can only let others pull it out after it's in, as seen in the videos.

But there are many tricks that can't be explained and cannot be found in any publicly available magic book. For example, such as the ones where Blaine is able to guess the card a person is thinking, or the name they are thinking. That I can't figure out. No amount of props or sleight of hand can do that. Those seem more supernatural or telepathic, and are only possible if Blaine can read minds.



Here is an interesting documentary series on YouTube called "Demon Magicians" which alleges that the best magicians use supernatural powers obtained by making a pact with demons or supernatural entities. It has many views and heated comments and debate, which are very amusing to read.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... +magicians

In episode 2 and 4, there are clips of this Taiwanese magician named Yif performing seemingly impossible tricks that defy all logic, science and reality, around gorgeous Taiwanese girls. They are a must see and will leave you baffled and speechless. There's no way anyone can do those things live in public, unless CGI, camera tricks and actors are involved. What do you think?

Demon Magicians, Episode 2:



Demon Magicians, Episode 4:

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Re: Does David Blaine use demonic powers? Look and decide!

Postby Scepcop » 03 Oct 2014, 03:01

ProfWag wrote:No, they are not "scientifically impossible." Simple explanation for every trick he does. Sorry, but just because someone doesn't know how he does something doesn't make it "demonic." In fact, I have done several of his tricks myself back in the day when I was a magician. Cig through coin and his levitation are both that I have done. The levitation itself is quite an old trick and very easy to do. However, David uses camera editing to make it appear beetter than what it is.


So you've been a magician before, as well as served in the US armed forces? lol
My my it seems like you've been involved with everything. lol
How convenient that you're always qualified in every field to debunk something. lol

I wonder if online skeptic shills just say whatever is convenient to try to debunk anything paranormal to defend their materialistic paradigm.
Is there any way we can verify that you've been a magician and are a military vet as well?
Can you give me a name to look up or PM your full name to me?

Also, it is not true that there is a simple explanation for all of Blaine's tricks. No way. Have you seen his tricks and stunts? Have you picked up a magic book in the bookstore? The publicly available magic books only cover sleight of hand techniques and complicated prop setups. They do not contain the kind of tricks that David Blaine does. No way. Pick up one and see.
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Re: Does David Blaine use demonic powers? Look and decide!

Postby ProfWag » 04 Oct 2014, 17:25

Scepcop wrote:
ProfWag wrote:No, they are not "scientifically impossible." Simple explanation for every trick he does. Sorry, but just because someone doesn't know how he does something doesn't make it "demonic." In fact, I have done several of his tricks myself back in the day when I was a magician. Cig through coin and his levitation are both that I have done. The levitation itself is quite an old trick and very easy to do. However, David uses camera editing to make it appear beetter than what it is.


So you've been a magician before, as well as served in the US armed forces? lol
My my it seems like you've been involved with everything. lol
How convenient that you're always qualified in every field to debunk something. lol

I wonder if online skeptic shills just say whatever is convenient to try to debunk anything paranormal to defend their materialistic paradigm.
Is there any way we can verify that you've been a magician and are a military vet as well?
Can you give me a name to look up or PM your full name to me?

Also, it is not true that there is a simple explanation for all of Blaine's tricks. No way. Have you seen his tricks and stunts? Have you picked up a magic book in the bookstore? The publicly available magic books only cover sleight of hand techniques and complicated prop setups. They do not contain the kind of tricks that David Blaine does. No way. Pick up one and see.


First, yes, there is a simple explanation for David Blaine's tricks. if you know anything about magic, then virtually every trick he does is recognizable.

Second, I doubt you would find my name on the internet associated with magic as it was 30 years ago but I might be able to dig up a picture or article that I could send you via e-mail. I was a small time magician in high school and for a year or two after that. Once the military sent me to Europe, I sold most of my props.

Finally, I'll be more than happy to PM you my name but I would need your word that you wouldn't release it.
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Re: Do magicians use demonic powers to do their tricks?

Postby ProfWag » 04 Oct 2014, 20:18

And BTW Scepcop, Yif is one of the top Asian magicians right now. He is hotly debated in magic circles however as many of his youtube presentations are video editing (CGI I think it's called). His live performances are pretty good though.

Also, the German Dude at the beginning of the video performs standard magicians props. Not even sure why it would be considered "demonic." Torn newspaper goes way, way back and the floating table as well. That method, by the way, is simply a variation of the zombie ball which was one of my top two or three effects that I used to do.

I don't know if you watched America's Got Talent, but the winner this year was a magician, Mat Franco. His winning effect was a variation of my favorite card trick which is called "Out of this World." It's actually one of the easiest card tricks in magic but also one of the best.

Here's Mat's version:

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Re: Does David Blaine use demonic powers? Look and decide!

Postby ProfWag » 04 Oct 2014, 20:24

Scepcop wrote:
Also, it is not true that there is a simple explanation for all of Blaine's tricks. No way. Have you seen his tricks and stunts? Have you picked up a magic book in the bookstore? The publicly available magic books only cover sleight of hand techniques and complicated prop setups. They do not contain the kind of tricks that David Blaine does. No way. Pick up one and see.


Have you picked up a magic book in a magic store? They are quite different than what you find in a bookstore.

Let me ask you something. Tell me what you think of this David Blaine piece of magic:

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Re: Do magicians use demonic powers to do their tricks?

Postby Mr Q » 25 Feb 2015, 00:42

I agree with the "secret" methods of using slight of hand operations in all magic tricks. No paranormal help is needed since the human mind is easily fooled with sight, sound and attention span and direction. I watched a series on TV over the past couple of years of a magician exposing classic tricks and was amazed how obvious the secret was once the trick was explained. I get frustrated time and time again as I watch the secrets exposed when they use our deficiencies in brain activity.

You know, I wish there was some paranormal help with magical tricks because so far, they only show how easily our brain misinterprets what our senses tell it. If paranormal activity was involved, we wouldn't look so stupid in not seeing the obvious solution to the tricks :D

BTW, the show I mentioned was made by a magician to expose old tricks so present magicians would come up with new ones once the old ones were explained.
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Re: Do magicians use demonic powers to do their tricks?

Postby ProfWag » 25 Feb 2015, 09:36

Mr Q wrote:

BTW, the show I mentioned was made by a magician to expose old tricks so present magicians would come up with new ones once the old ones were explained.

Actually, Val himself said that he did it with the hopes that it would encourage children to take up magic. Either way though, he has become a complete outcast in the magic circles.
Essentially, there are only 5 ways that almost all stage illusions are done and his exposure seriously jeopardized these methods.
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Re: Do magicians use demonic powers to do their tricks?

Postby ProfWag » 25 Feb 2015, 09:38

Mr Q wrote: I get frustrated time and time again as I watch the secrets exposed when they use our deficiencies in brain activity.

You know, I wish there was some paranormal help with magical tricks because so far, they only show how easily our brain misinterprets what our senses tell it. If paranormal activity was involved, we wouldn't look so stupid in not seeing the obvious solution to the tricks :D


Are you referring to magicians or psychics? :twisted:
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Re: Do magicians use demonic powers to do their tricks?

Postby Mr Q » 25 Feb 2015, 23:51

ProfWag wrote:
Mr Q wrote: I get frustrated time and time again as I watch the secrets exposed when they use our deficiencies in brain activity.

You know, I wish there was some paranormal help with magical tricks because so far, they only show how easily our brain misinterprets what our senses tell it. If paranormal activity was involved, we wouldn't look so stupid in not seeing the obvious solution to the tricks :D


Are you referring to magicians or psychics? :twisted:


Magicians. Psychics, I'm not convinced most have any special skills due to the many methods of securing a customer's private information beforehand, not to mention "cold readings". At least with a magician, you know its a trick and try to figure out how its done.

I would love to experience a psychic reading with a medium that does not use any gimmicks but how can one be sure about genuine readings? So I stay away from these people. Same goes with paranormal experiences such as experiencing a "ghost" or haunting - I have had a couple of minor experiences that did baffle me but only one was also experienced by a friend I "set up" to visit a believed to be haunted location. Though I brought a few people to this site, only one shared my observations. The others came out "cold". Believing a location is haunted is easy but proving it - that's another thing :roll:
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