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Postby really? » 29 Oct 2012, 02:03

But, somehow it seems, doomsday hype has made it into the public's psyche. I recently saw a local newscast that mentioned the world would be ending soon, albeit jokingly, and sometimes even well-meaning publications give the Mayan prophesies undue credence with unfortunate headlines. But a couple of recent polls say that 10-12% of people have doubts they will survive past Dec. 21st of this year. And a few conversations I've had with those who have been on the front lines of debunking the 2012 doomsday predictions reveal that an upcoming "end of the world" is somehow very real for a measurable segment of the population. How has something that is steeped in nonsense with no scientific accuracy whatsoever managed to capture such attention? Dr. David Morrison has been answering the public's questions on the 2012 predictions for over five years on NASA's "Ask and Astrobiologist" page on the Astrobiology website. Even after all the information Morrison and other NASA scientists have made available debunking the doomsday myths and providing real scientific reasoning, Morrison said he still steadily receives 5-6 emails every day from people asking if the world will end in December. "These are for the most part from people who fundamentally distrust science and the government," Morrison said in an interview for a podcast for the NASA Lunar Science Institute and 365 Days of Astronomy. "It is very hard to get through to them. These are people who… get their information from the internet," (and You Tube videos and History Channel documentaries, Morrison later added.) "And among the kids, the information just passes from person to person. I'd like to think that the things I've posted and the videos I've made help, but a lot of people just don't get it." And some people don't want to get it. "They are so invested this," Morrison said, "with their books and websites and videos," and when Dec. 22 rolls around, they may not want to admit they've either been part of the hoax or taken in by a hoax. They may end up changing the goalposts by saying they were off by a couple of months or years, like many of the failed end-of-the-word predictions have done.

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2012-10-doomsday-m ... n.html#jCp
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Re: How did the 2012 doomsday myths become part of our accep

Postby Scepcop » 29 Oct 2012, 17:15

It's not just the internet. TV programs and the History Channel has added to the scare too. Here is their documentary on how 2012 could be the end.



Here is Darryl Sloan's take on the 2012 psychology.



If you haven't seen the Hollywood blockbuster movie 2012, where CGI is used to show the destruction of the world, you can see it here. It's somewhat amusing.

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Re: How did the 2012 doomsday myths become part of our accep

Postby Craig Browning » 30 Oct 2012, 00:09

There's a handful of things that "support" this claim;

1.) For the first time in history over 90% of the "end times" prophecies from around the world are coinciding with the same two-decade window of time; the Hopi, Egyptian, Mayan, Celtic and Hindu, etc. In fact, by Hindu tradition we've been in the time of "judgement" for over a decade already -- the Age of Kahli.

2.) New Age Commercialism has driven the hype when it comes to 2012 and to counter this, the TV evangelicals have been addressing it as a Satanic sort of thing and as such they've created a secondary fervor that's tied to religious ideas.

3.) We are headed towards some interesting Astronomical times and if I have my facts straight, this includes a SYZYGY or direct alignment of the planets which, Astrologically suggests an increased pull on our planet which some believe, will shift the magnetic poles in a rather sudden manner.

NO, this shift will not send things flying off the globe as some have dramatized in that it has happened in the past and everything is still fairly well intact. Legend suggests that this is an event that happens about every 150,000 years or some such.

However, it could result in certain seismic and climate based "shifts" that would allow the earth to depopulate itself of all the fleas that keep sucking the life out of here (humans). To a primitive or "uneducated" mind, this would be God punishing man for its sin and turning its back on all things pure and true. . . for the rest of us, it means that the laws of physics alongside cyclic occurrence are afoot and it's time to both, re-evaluate some of our thinking and too, spend much of the next millennia studying shit. We would likewise have the onus of having to help rebuild society and in so doing, help our fellow beings realize that "God" probably had nothing to do with it. . . any of the Gods for that matter. What may be afoot however, given how many cultural prophecies coincide time wise, is that the ancient "prophets" understood things intellectually but were not prepared as of yet, to be able to convey the details in a way that we, in modern times, could relate to or understand. Then again, most of you know that my personal focus is bridging things between the language of the past to how we see things now -- Wizards & Shaman were the rationalists of their time.

4.) HOLLYWOOD & Novelists had exploited this and other doomsday/end times scenarios making it big box office and more.

5.) Back to the Evangelicals; we have their own handful of soothsayers like Hal Lindsey that exploit every meteor and comet fart as being "Wormwood" (you'll find what that is in the book of Revelation -- bible). These jackasses have been predicting the rise of the Anti-Christ and the Rapture since the 1970s (the current batch, that is) and they've NEVER been right other than when using the same cyclic "hurling the headlines" methods known to working Mentalists (and there actually is a mathematical system or algorithm if you would, though it's a bit "dated" by today's standards).

This breed of "Christian" is one of the more dangerous because of how they manipulate so many via fear, confirming their dire prophecies by directing people to the Bible vs. factual data from reliable and proven sources (they tend to cherry pick references for validation just as they do scriptures to live by).

So this is the general list of ingredients that have made this a trend . . . a large social issue, but that also gives us the final nail to this box -- "social networking"

6) Social Media is so massive that a single thought can spread into an uncanny blaze within a few short hours. As we've seen on this forum, one or two ardent believers in something fantastic, can get on the web and pass on their own "virus" as it were. Winston's addiction to Youtube prophets is a great example and if he were to post all the videos by the questionable folks he drowns us with here, he will be effective at infecting others. . . this is the new way cults are being built by charismatic individuals and how old cult thinking is being revived. After all, you can say anything you want on the web and thus, sell any point of view you may have -- there's an app for that. ;)
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Re: How did the 2012 doomsday myths become part of our accep

Postby Twain Shakespeare » 31 Oct 2012, 08:27

Craig Browning wrote:However, it could result in certain seismic and climate based "shifts" that would allow the earth to depopulate itself of all the fleas that keep sucking the life out of here (humans). To a primitive or "uneducated" mind, this would be God punishing man for its sin and turning its back on all things pure and true. . . for the rest of us, it means that the laws of physics alongside cyclic occurrence are afoot and it's time to both, re-evaluate some of our thinking and too, spend much of the next millennia studying shit.


My first response on reading this was to say, Fulfillment of prophecy is evidence that the prophecies are probably false! Your pseudo-skepticism is showing, Prof Wag!

Then I noticed the wiggle room in the passage below.

Craig Browning wrote:We would likewise have the onus of having to help rebuild society and in so doing, help our fellow beings realize that "God" probably had nothing to do with it. . . any of the Gods for that matter. What may be afoot however, given how many cultural prophecies coincide time wise, is that the ancient "prophets" understood things intellectually but were not prepared as of yet, to be able to convey the details in a way that we, in modern times, could relate to or understand. Then again, most of you know that my personal focus is bridging things between the language of the past to how we see things now -- Wizards & Shaman were the rationalists of their time..


As a "polytheist" I consider the "titanic forces" to be "divine" to attmpt to decribe my perceptions in traditinal language. If the prophecies are fulfilled. I would be inclined to consider it evidence my "theological apprehensions" are valid.

I also feel that WE are the ones who are not equipped to understand, since we are the generation of demons.

I am hoping Teilhard de Chardin was right, and we reach the Omeg Point!
(A borderline new Age statistical calculation that knowlege should be doubling daily by this point. Believe it or not, I see evidence that MAY be happening, but if so, most of the effect is in the non-rganic intelligence of informational systems. Until this year, I thought the military industrial complex was the top predator in our environment. Now, within the last few years, it has become money1

And Yes, Craig, as a started t respond, I noticed you wrote that reductum absurdam of pseudoskepticism. Slightly uneasy. I don't think Prof would be offended at my calling him a pseudoskeptic. I do nt think you are either,but I will point out my fundamental difficulty was with language, not with your thoughts. Peace, love, wisdom!
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Re: How did the 2012 doomsday myths become part of our accep

Postby Arouet » 31 Oct 2012, 09:06

Considering that Prof Wagg hasn't posted in this thread, he might find it strange that you've called him out here...
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Re: How did the 2012 doomsday myths become part of our accep

Postby Twain Shakespeare » 31 Oct 2012, 12:47

Arouet wrote:Considering that Prof Wagg hasn't posted in this thread, he might find it strange that you've called him out here...


It was my initial misreadding. Those can be amusing, like the black man who read "racial issues" on the facial tissues dispenser.

A friend recently called someone a "commie hating self unaware" etc.
I misread it at first glance and thought he called ME a "self-hating unaware commie."
I started to post, "'Self hating' and 'commie' may be valid, but if I am unaware I don't know it!"
then I caught my mistake as I cut and pasted. (Posted anyway, and spent a week convincing him I knew he hadn't called me that. I was just sharing one more amusing proof my senses are less reliable than hearsay)
I don't know why I though I was reading Prof Wag, whom I do love dearly to read, and razz, although I think I have found buttons to push where he knows I am sharing jokes.

By the way, it seems you, Craig, Prof, and Winston are the most stable members. Is there anyone else who s sticking I have not noticed?
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Re: How did the 2012 doomsday myths become part of our accep

Postby Scepcop » 31 Oct 2012, 18:05

Do you all think that Hurricane Sandy, which hit the east coast, is a sign of what's to come in the 2012 Apocalypse?
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Re: How did the 2012 doomsday myths become part of our accep

Postby Scepcop » 31 Oct 2012, 18:21

Will there be 3 days of darkness in 2012?









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Re: How did the 2012 doomsday myths become part of our accep

Postby Arouet » 31 Oct 2012, 20:10

Scepcop wrote:Do you all think that Hurricane Sandy, which hit the east coast, is a sign of what's to come in the 2012 Apocalypse?


Do you?
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Re: How did the 2012 doomsday myths become part of our accep

Postby really? » 31 Oct 2012, 21:45

Twain Shakespeare wrote:
Arouet wrote:Considering that Prof Wagg hasn't posted in this thread, he might find it strange that you've called him out here...


It was my initial misreadding. Those can be amusing, like the black man who read "racial issues" on the facial tissues dispenser.

A friend recently called someone a "commie hating self unaware" etc.
I misread it at first glance and thought he called ME a "self-hating unaware commie."
I started to post, "'Self hating' and 'commie' may be valid, but if I am unaware I don't know it!"
then I caught my mistake as I cut and pasted. (Posted anyway, and spent a week convincing him I knew he hadn't called me that. I was just sharing one more amusing proof my senses are less reliable than hearsay)
I don't know why I though I was reading Prof Wag, whom I do love dearly to read, and razz, although I think I have found buttons to push where he knows I am sharing jokes.

By the way, it seems you, Craig, Prof, and Winston are the most stable members. Is there anyone else who s sticking I have not noticed?

I should hope Winston is stable. It is his site after all.
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Re: How did the 2012 doomsday myths become part of our accep

Postby really? » 31 Oct 2012, 21:47

Scepcop wrote:Do you all think that Hurricane Sandy, which hit the east coast, is a sign of what's to come in the 2012 Apocalypse?

No It's likely attributable to climate change, considering all of the extreme weather we've had here.
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Re: How did the 2012 doomsday myths become part of our accep

Postby Craig Browning » 31 Oct 2012, 22:03

By the way, it seems you, Craig, Prof, and Winston are the most stable members. Is there anyone else who s sticking I have not noticed?


I just have problems when someone list's Winston as being "stable" :lol:

Unfortunately it does seem that we are the regulars around here and a lot of that has to do with how we treat those that arrive with fantasiful ideas when it comes to the paranormal, ET and of course any one conspiracy that might fancy your tickle. Though we aren't as nasty as those patrons of the JREF or PSICOP type cults, we can be rather hard on folks; especially when you consider that this half-dozen (there are a few others that pop in and out I believe) each have entirely different perspectives and backgrounds when it comes to these type of things and as such, we can slice and dice issues in very unique ways. You could say that we have a rather amazing B.S. filter that frustrates the "believer" regardless of which perspective you happen to embrace.

Trust me, I've thought seriously, especially in recent months, of leaving; I'm sick and tired of all the conspiracy horse pucky that keeps oozing from out of Youtube to hear and proclaimed as the gospel when 99.5% of it has been proven far more than false, fantasiful delusion clung to by desperate people that can't deal with the simplicity of truth and reality. You might have noticed my absence in those threads in that I just cannot justify arguing with a brick wall . . . an otherwise intelligent human being. Sad to say, intelligent people can be some of the easiest to suck in on such things. . . or most any con if you catch them at the right point in their lives. :?
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Re: How did the 2012 doomsday myths become part of our accep

Postby Scepcop » 01 Nov 2012, 03:54

really? wrote:I should hope Winston is stable. It is his site after all.


It really depends on what you mean by "stable" and what your expectations of it are.
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Re: How did the 2012 doomsday myths become part of our accep

Postby really? » 01 Nov 2012, 05:44

Scepcop wrote:
really? wrote:I should hope Winston is stable. It is his site after all.


It really depends on what you mean by "stable" and what your expectations of it are.


I merely meant as a regular poster.
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