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Re: This skeptic blogger girl has the wrong idea about this site

Postby Purple Scissor » 13 Aug 2009, 05:53

LinzeeBinzee wrote:Hey guys,

I just want to say that despite the disagreements that we (some of us) have you're all a really nice bunch and it's really cool of you to let things go.

My original blog post was one of the earlier ones and I was, lets say, a little over-enthusiastic. I was making statements about SCEPCOP without backing them up, and I clearly don't have the skeptical chops yet to defend what I was saying, so I shouldn't be saying those things.

The Warrigal, you said "I also appreciate how members here could be offended by her claim that the mere act of sullying her browser could have the supernatural ability to lower her IQ points."

I looked over the original post I made and it didn't say that...I hope I didn't say that because I think the opposite is true, that there's a lot to learn from this site.

Anyways I just wanted to say thanks for being so cool, we can agree to disagree, and maybe when I've learned a lot more we can engage in debate again :)


Keep in touch Lindsay. If you want a quick way to find the best skeptical conclusions which are usually not pseudoskeptical, study the writings of Ray Hyman. That is the quickest way for a skeptic to come up to scratch, because he gives the true state-of-the art skeptical response to the best cases of modern parapsychology. It is disappointing for a skeptic who wishes to laugh, though, and it can be rough going in technical terms.
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Re: This skeptic blogger girl has the wrong idea about this site

Postby brett » 13 Aug 2009, 13:57

LinzeeBinzee wrote:Hey guys,

I just want to say that despite the disagreements that we (some of us) have you're all a really nice bunch and it's really cool of you to let things go.

My original blog post was one of the earlier ones and I was, lets say, a little over-enthusiastic. I was making statements about SCEPCOP without backing them up, and I clearly don't have the skeptical chops yet to defend what I was saying, so I shouldn't be saying those things.

The Warrigal, you said "I also appreciate how members here could be offended by her claim that the mere act of sullying her browser could have the supernatural ability to lower her IQ points."

I looked over the original post I made and it didn't say that...I hope I didn't say that because I think the opposite is true, that there's a lot to learn from this site.

Anyways I just wanted to say thanks for being so cool, we can agree to disagree, and maybe when I've learned a lot more we can engage in debate again :)


well i have kept out of this one till now - but may i just say that your statement above took real guts and i applaud you linzee - please DO come back when you feel ready - you will be welcome :D :D - in the mean time all the best to you
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Re: This skeptic blogger girl has the wrong idea about this site

Postby ciscop » 13 Aug 2009, 14:10

uuh i didnt want anybody to jump this one
so... i just repost it

hahahaha
im sorry scescop
but being open minded about uri geller means letting my brains fall out
also professor wag offered a study in nature, i dont see you providing any links to a study in nature and what you propose is URI GELLER?
why dont you propose peter popoff or james hydrick? common

THAT GUY IS A FREAKING MAGICIAN
(an awesome one with great sleight of hand and a charming persona)

you dont understand
those guys WERENT prepared to analyze a magician!!
i do some of his tricks! people will swear i am a psychic but i do tell. IT IS A TRICK.. i do have ethics, that guy doesnt

now lets see the facts
1. Has been caught cheating many times in TV and Youtube (when he gets caught cheating he always demands that those links be removed)
2. Why would a psychic cheat?
3. Why would a psychic stop using psychic and now uses the term mystifier? he isnt a psychic anymore? he is also not saying if he was a psychic for the past 30 years.
4. Hangs around with MAGICIANS.. (my friends saw him in a magic fair in vegas)
5. Hates people debunking tricks of magicians (remember that david blaine article?)
6. The spoon bending is a trick thats way before he appears.. also.. do you know why a spoon or fork? why not a knife?,, THE KNIFE IS WAY TOO DIFFICULT TO BEND IN REAL LIFE, also dangerous.. TRY IT.. NOW TRY A SPOON.. WAY EASIER!..
7. When they were controls.. like the johnny carson show... HE FAILED MISERABLY
8. Theres many ways of doing what he does throught magic methods, a lot of the stuff he does comes from BEFORE he was known as a psychic (he didnt invent it).
9. Has been in the cover of Genii (only magicians appear in the cover of Genii magazine)

Uri geller is a magician
you want to believe THE PEOPLE that believe he is true
he isnt
sorry if you are so naive
but when that ships crashes and sinks
you will look like a fool for believing he is honest
just ask yourself
HAS URI CHEATED BEFORE? (YES!) and WHY WOULD A PSYCHIC CHEAT?

simple.. soo simple
the truth is there but you wont recognize it
For every person who reads this valuable book there are hundreds of naïve souls who would prefer to have their spines tingled by a sensational but worthless potboiler by some hack journalist of the paranormal. You who now read these sentences join a small but wiser minority. Martin Gaardner (Psychology of the Psychic)
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Re: This skeptic blogger girl has the wrong idea about this site

Postby ProfWag » 13 Aug 2009, 22:01

ciscop wrote:uuh i didnt want anybody to jump this one
so... i just repost it

hahahaha
im sorry scescop
but being open minded about uri geller means letting my brains fall out
also professor wag offered a study in nature, i dont see you providing any links to a study in nature and what you propose is URI GELLER?
why dont you propose peter popoff or james hydrick? common

THAT GUY IS A FREAKING MAGICIAN
(an awesome one with great sleight of hand and a charming persona)

you dont understand
those guys WERENT prepared to analyze a magician!!
i do some of his tricks! people will swear i am a psychic but i do tell. IT IS A TRICK.. i do have ethics, that guy doesnt

now lets see the facts
1. Has been caught cheating many times in TV and Youtube (when he gets caught cheating he always demands that those links be removed)
2. Why would a psychic cheat?
3. Why would a psychic stop using psychic and now uses the term mystifier? he isnt a psychic anymore? he is also not saying if he was a psychic for the past 30 years.
4. Hangs around with MAGICIANS.. (my friends saw him in a magic fair in vegas)
5. Hates people debunking tricks of magicians (remember that david blaine article?)
6. The spoon bending is a trick thats way before he appears.. also.. do you know why a spoon or fork? why not a knife?,, THE KNIFE IS WAY TOO DIFFICULT TO BEND IN REAL LIFE, also dangerous.. TRY IT.. NOW TRY A SPOON.. WAY EASIER!..
7. When they were controls.. like the johnny carson show... HE FAILED MISERABLY
8. Theres many ways of doing what he does throught magic methods, a lot of the stuff he does comes from BEFORE he was known as a psychic (he didnt invent it).
9. Has been in the cover of Genii (only magicians appear in the cover of Genii magazine)

Uri geller is a magician
you want to believe THE PEOPLE that believe he is true
he isnt
sorry if you are so naive
but when that ships crashes and sinks
you will look like a fool for believing he is honest
just ask yourself
HAS URI CHEATED BEFORE? (YES!) and WHY WOULD A PSYCHIC CHEAT?

simple.. soo simple
the truth is there but you wont recognize it

Good questions one and all ciscop. If you have to do one thing that is a trick, then everything you do is a trick. Quite simple indeed.
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Re: This skeptic blogger girl has the wrong idea about this site

Postby Scepcop » 14 Aug 2009, 03:17

Ciscop, Profwag,

Here on Dean Radin's site, a number of journals are mentioned which publishes articles about Parapsychology. As you can see, Nature is mentioned.

http://www.deanradin.com/para3.html

The primary peer-reviewed parapsychological journals today include the following:

European Journal of Parapsychology
Journal of Parapsychology
Journal of the American Society of Psychic Research
Journal of the Society of Psychical Research
Zeitschrift fur Psychologische Grenzgebiete
Other journals that have published parapsychological articles include:

Foundations of Physics
Journal of the Society of Psychical Research
Journal of Scientific Exploration
Proceedings of the IEEE
Psychological Bulletin
Statistical Science
Subtle Energies
Science
Nature
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Re: This skeptic blogger girl has the wrong idea about this site

Postby ProfWag » 14 Aug 2009, 03:50

Scepcop wrote:Ciscop, Profwag,

Here on Dean Radin's site, a number of journals are mentioned which publishes articles about Parapsychology. As you can see, Nature is mentioned.

http://www.deanradin.com/para3.html

The primary peer-reviewed parapsychological journals today include the following:

European Journal of Parapsychology
Journal of Parapsychology
Journal of the American Society of Psychic Research
Journal of the Society of Psychical Research
Zeitschrift fur Psychologische Grenzgebiete
Other journals that have published parapsychological articles include:

Foundations of Physics
Journal of the Society of Psychical Research
Journal of Scientific Exploration
Proceedings of the IEEE
Psychological Bulletin
Statistical Science
Subtle Energies
Science
Nature

Uhhh, yes, I've seen that and know it's there. I'm well aware of many of these journals as I access and view material from them quite often. I had also seen those listed on his site. Thanks though.
I realize that we've gotten way off topic, but my last post here was supporting the statement that Uri Geller was and is a magician. What does Dean Radin have to do with Uri Geller? (Other than the obvious.)
On a side note, most of those journals aren't listed in the scholarly search engines at my university so that hints something to me.
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Re: This skeptic blogger girl has the wrong idea about this site

Postby Purple Scissor » 14 Aug 2009, 14:24

here is parapsychology in mainstream journals:
http://www.metapsychique.org/Articles-d ... -dans.html
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Re: This skeptic blogger girl has the wrong idea about this site

Postby ciscop » 14 Aug 2009, 22:27

yep i guess they decided to jump the uri geller question
:D
i can repeat it... he is a magiciaaaaaaaan not a psychic
nothing he does is paranormal and i offered proof already...


and purple.. thanks for the link quite cool here is the complete list
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seems quite cool !! i would love to read those articles..
but i dont think all this journals and experiments support psi, esp or paranormal
there is a couple of articles in there from Wiseman. R.... Richard Wiseman.. one of the biggest debunkers of psychics out there
For every person who reads this valuable book there are hundreds of naïve souls who would prefer to have their spines tingled by a sensational but worthless potboiler by some hack journalist of the paranormal. You who now read these sentences join a small but wiser minority. Martin Gaardner (Psychology of the Psychic)
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Re: This skeptic blogger girl has the wrong idea about this

Postby spoirier » 15 Jan 2011, 04:34

Scepcop wrote:Welcome Linzee.
No one here, not even the most staunch paranormal supporters, has a problem with wanting evidence to believe in something. None of us ever advocates believing everything you hear, that is a classic straw man that pseudo-skeptics use against us, which we NEVER say in reality. We have no problem against the concept of skepticism itself, what we are opposing is PEOPLE who call themselves skeptics but are in fact pseudo-skeptics because of their ACTIONS and BEHAVIORS.

Sorry I did not carefully read everything so I'm not sure if the remark has already been done, but I think that, in general, what "skeptics" mean when they accuse you of believing everything, is, from their viewpoint, not a matter of whether you CLAIM that one should believe everything, but a matter of whether you DO believe, well of course, not everything, but many things without enough scrutinity.

In this sense, the fact that you SAY that one should want evidence to believe in something, and that you are very sincere in doing so, would be irrelevant.
The same way, when you observe that pseudo-skeptics are not true skeptics based on their actions and behavior, maybe you should pay attention to remember that, somehow, they are as sincere as you in believing that they are themselves skeptics, so that there is a superficial symmetry (a symmetry of intentions and perceptions) between the two sides.

Then, sorry to disappoint you, but as for the accusation written in this blog page about SCEPCOP that "the M.O. of this website seems to be to believe everything unless it’s backed up by science", some very good scientists may have this very impression, and may be justified to react in this way, when they first browse this site, have a look at the Books section, and see there "Everything You Know Is Wrong by Lloyd Pye".
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Re: This skeptic blogger girl has the wrong idea about this

Postby Arouet » 16 Jan 2011, 09:10

Just read this thread: PLEASE tell me there's a Wu/Shermer debate in the works! That'd almost be worth hoofing out to dragon con for!
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