SCEPCOP Forum

Hi Linzee,
Well I don't want you to feel like we're ganging up on you. We just want you to consider evidence and other sources you haven't tapped into yet.

I hope you won't abandon us but at least hear us out and consider the evidence and sources we give you. That's all. I'm sorry for the character judgments on your part, but you reacted exactly the way I predicted you would. Anyone can can claim to be open and rational and objective, but as you know, actions speak louder than words. This site doesn't focus on character attacks though, but on evidence, reason and substance. So we try to keep it at that.

You say you don't have the time to read all the links, videos and books we recommended. That's fine and understandable. No one can read everything out there. But at least consider them, slowly one bit at a time, that's all we're asking. Is that reasonable? At the very least, you can suspend your judgment, as Pyrrho, the founder of Skepticism, taught. You don't have to believe or disbelieve. Why not just consider all the data and put yourself in a state of suspended judgment until you learn and understand more? There is no rush to draw your conclusions yet. You are still young anyway it seems.

See here to understand what true skepticism means, from its founder:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeptic

However, you say you've read some articles from scientists who support the materialist viewpoint. If you can do that, why not read a little of the other side? There are also scientists who support paranormal phenomena as well. There are scientists on both sides. For example, Dr. Gary Schwartz is a fully accredited scientist who is Harvard educated, and has found positive results in his controlled experiments with mediums that could not be attributed to cold reading or fraud.

Skeptics have not debunked such studies, as you claimed. They merely spouted conjecture and the rest of the skeptical community took their conjecture as Gospel proof and quickly declared the whole thing "debunked" because that's what they wanted to see.

Speaking of scientists and your brain hypothesis, did you know that Dr. Wilbur Penfield was the father of neuroscience and said that he concluded that memories were not stored in the brain? Look it up. It's fascinating.

Here is an article about how memory may have holographic properties:
http://appliedcognitivescience.net/A%20 ... Brain.html

Just consider all this ok? I only asked you to watch a 90 minute video. It wasn't that much to ask. You go to theaters to see 2 hour movies right? So you can do this too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw_O9Qiwqew

Is your motivation fear or truth?

One last thing. Know this. The pseudo-skeptic camps are on the losing side. Every day their theories become invalid as the evidence building points to our side, not theirs. They will soon be outdated ancient history.

Also consider their no-win position. In order for them to be proven right, they have to prove that ESP, ghosts and UFO's don't exist, which is an impossible task since you can't prove a negative for various reasons. But for us to be proven right, we only need to prove ONE ESP or ghost case to be genuine out of a hundred, and we win. Therefore, it's only a matter of time before the denial stops and becomes outdated.

Now ask yourself this: Do you want to be on the winning side or not? Currently, you are not on the winning side. Have a look

PS - Check out these short videos explaining why mind is not the brain. Ponder some possibilities for now.

BTW Linzee, regarding your mind doesn't survive brain death theory, check out the case of Pam Reynolds here, who had a full blown NDE during a flat brainline and flat heartline. It baffled her doctors. The video is only 10 minutes, don't worry. Can you spare that?

Fascinating.

scescop
also dont take it personally

but you are doing precisely what she is critizing of here
you just spread a lot of links and info
and if she doesnt wants to read them she is the one failing
try to share just ONE link at a time when arguing with skeptics
otherwise is just pointless
you just write and share and she isnt interested in reading it... whats the point?
there is no communication happening :p
the paranormal is a hugeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee field, try just one topic, one investigator at a time
way easier to discuss

so chose a topic and build from there

How do believers debate the findings of the National Academy of Science from 1988 that there has been "no scientific evidence" of parapsychology in the 130 years of research and there is no need for further research? The NAS, if you didn't know, is the congressionally chartered, governing body of science in the United States.
Just curious...

yep dont worry