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Postby Scepcop » 04 Aug 2009, 04:13

This skeptic blogger girl has totally the wrong idea about what this site is about. Will someone help enlighten her?

http://struckbyenlightning.wordpress.co ... kookiness/

She uses a classic pseudoskeptical falllacy of claiming that we advocate that one should believe EVERYTHING we hear without evidence. In reality, I've NEVER EVER even met one paranormalist who advocated believing everything one hears. EVER. That is a total straw man they use time and time again.

When will they get it? Sheesh.

Yet they STILL claim there is no evidence for the paranormal or psi and that we aren't presenting any. It's some type of fanaticism. I've already posted some videos by Dean Radin to her and book recommendations, to get her started. She seems to have been totally brainwashed by the Randi crowd.
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Re: This skeptic blogger girl has the wrong idea about this site

Postby NinjaPuppy » 04 Aug 2009, 05:18

I think you handled it quite well.
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Re: This skeptic blogger girl has the wrong idea about this site

Postby ciscop » 05 Aug 2009, 06:22

i just have a question
how did you found about her site?

i made a post on her site in your favor winston
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Re: This skeptic blogger girl has the wrong idea about this site

Postby The Warrigal » 05 Aug 2009, 12:21

Like Ciscop I tend to find blogs rather dull.

I could never call myself a "Forum Junky" though! :shock:

Far too many Forums, - (even good ones), - have a way of becoming Troll Magnets for my liking. :geek:

I think that this young blogger is sincere and I have posted asking her to pay us a visit before she writes off the entire Forum.

I doubt that she will accept, but she is an articulate writer and would probably be an asset to the Forum if she joined.
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Re: This skeptic blogger girl has the wrong idea about this site

Postby ciscop » 05 Aug 2009, 13:39

The Warrigal wrote:Like Ciscop I tend to find blogs rather dull.

I could never call myself a "Forum Junky" though! :shock:

Far too many Forums, - (even good ones), - have a way of becoming Troll Magnets for my liking. :geek:

I think that this young blogger is sincere and I have posted asking her to pay us a visit before she writes off the entire Forum.

I doubt that she will accept, but she is an articulate writer and would probably be an asset to the Forum if she joined.


i only use magiccafe, jref and this one now
magiccafe isnt that good i think this one is my new favorite
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Re: This skeptic blogger girl has the wrong idea about this site

Postby Scepcop » 05 Aug 2009, 18:08

ciscop wrote:i just have a question
how did you found about her site?

i made a post on her site in your favor winston
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Thanks. I found out about it by Googling "SCEPCOP" and looking through several pages of sites that have mentioned us. Some of them were blogs, including hers.

I don't get something. Are you a skeptic or paranormal believer or something in between?
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Re: This skeptic blogger girl has the wrong idea about this site

Postby The Warrigal » 05 Aug 2009, 21:37

Odd.

I also posted in support of Winston and SCEPCOP at that site, but my post seems to have been deleted.

I do not think that I was rude although I did question how it was that the blogger says that she converted in less than a year from a wooist into, - by her definition, - a "critical thinker."

Hopefully my post was not percieved as offencive since such was not my intent.
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Re: This skeptic blogger girl has the wrong idea about this site

Postby LinzeeBinzee » 05 Aug 2009, 23:22

The Warrigal wrote:Odd.

I also posted in support of Winston and SCEPCOP at that site, but my post seems to have been deleted.

I do not think that I was rude although I did question how it was that the blogger says that she converted in less than a year from a wooist into, - by her definition, - a "critical thinker."

Hopefully my post was not percieved as offencive since such was not my intent.


Hi Guys...I'm that "skeptic blogger girl", I decided to take you up on your invitations, so here I am!

Warrigal...your comment is up there now, when someone is a first time poster I'm required to approve their posts, and I happened to have already gone to bed when you posted that comment so I didn't get to approve it until this morning. I don't censor any comments, unless they're spammers.
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Re: This skeptic blogger girl has the wrong idea about this site

Postby ciscop » 06 Aug 2009, 00:21

well sciscop
if you judge me for my library i would say i am somewhere in between
i have authors like wiseman, randi, shermer, dawkins, hatchins..
but then.. i also have wicca stuff, psicoquinesis, ghost stories, divination, bla bla bla..

i wont say i believe in the weird stuff like i trust in the skeptic authors
i am a guy that likes to be amazed by the human thinking, and the paranormal is quite an interesting field
i dont know if there are paranormal stuff
here in this site i might find stuff that cant find anywhere else

and welcome to the site skeptic blogger girl
i would have said... skeptic chick but thats on sgu
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Re: This skeptic blogger girl has the wrong idea about this site

Postby NinjaPuppy » 06 Aug 2009, 02:48

Hi Linzee! Thanks for coming out and visiting with us. I think you will find that Mr. Wu's concept of this forum is pretty diverse. We're all getting to know each other (at least I am) and I'm starting to really enjoy the exchange of views about the paranormal. I find this place to be very tolerant and really different. A nice place to discuss the paranormal. Is either side right or wrong? Only time will tell. Either way, I want to be part of the action and the conversation. There is a lot of stimulating questions and ideas up for discussion and so far it's been friendly.
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Re: This skeptic blogger girl has the wrong idea about this site

Postby Scepcop » 06 Aug 2009, 03:09

Welcome Linzee.

Thanks for coming.

By the way, I forgot to make another key point. You seemed to insinuate in your post that we oppose the concept of skepticism and it's stance on requiring evidence to believe in something. That is a straw man and misunderstanding I'm afraid. No one here, not even the most staunch paranormal supporters, has a problem with wanting evidence to believe in something. None of us ever advocates believing everything you hear, that is a classic straw man that pseudo-skeptics use against us, which we NEVER say in reality. We have no problem against the concept of skepticism itself, what we are opposing is PEOPLE who call themselves skeptics but are in fact pseudo-skeptics because of their ACTIONS and BEHAVIORS. See here for a list of their behaviors so you understand what we're talking about. I've just updated it with more quotes and citations from dictionaries.

http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/characteristics.php

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Re: This skeptic blogger girl has the wrong idea about this site

Postby Student of Sophia » 06 Aug 2009, 04:16

Hi Lindsay!

Here are the chapter abstracts from Varieties of anomalous experience: Examining the scientific evidence:

http://psycnet.apa.org/index.cfm?fa=bro ... pbid=10371

You asked me for 'one piece' of evidence. I don't like doing that. You can get 'one piece' anywhere. What I do is recommend good books that I have actually read myself. I've read many. If someone doesn't want to read it for whatever reason, I shrug my shoulders and say 'whatever, it's your loss'.

The way I see it, skeptics should be reading books like this, of this quality, all the time, just out of principle. But unfortunately it seems that sometimes when people are skeptical about something they don't look into it much. Or they look at at the wrong things, there's a lot of crap out there.

The Pathology of Organized Skepticism

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"This regrettable condition acts to preclude their unbiased consideration of phenomena on the cutting edge of science, which is not how a true scientist should behave. In fact, many “Skeptics” will not even read significantly into the literature on the subjects about which they are most skeptical. I have direct experience with this specific behavior on the part of a number of PhACT members.

Initially, I attributed that behavior to just plain laziness, but lately I’ve begun to suspect that those individuals may actually have a phobia about reading material that is contrary to their own views. It seems entirely possible that they fear “contamination” from that exposure will eventually lead to (Gasp!) acceptance of the opposition’s position." (bold mine)

[...]

I don't like arguing with the pathologically skeptical too much. They usually piss me off. So I test people. If they can't bring themselves to read a book, then I judge them to be lazy or their skepticism to be pathological and I don't bother with them. What's the use? It's the same as arguing with a young-earth creationist - a waste of time.
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Re: This skeptic blogger girl has the wrong idea about this site

Postby The Warrigal » 06 Aug 2009, 09:21

Welcome Linzee! :)

I hope that you enjoy this site and find it fun.

You write well and I look foreward to reading your contributions.

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Re: This skeptic blogger girl has the wrong idea about this site

Postby Eteponge » 10 Aug 2009, 15:36

Not an objective seeker and examiner of data and research fairly to all sides by any means apparently ... (as posted on the JREF Forum, in a thread I stumbled upon that discusses Scepcop)

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p= ... stcount=87

Phew I'm glad there's a thread about this here! I have a blog and I made a post about SCEPCOP awhile back...they recently found it and a bunch of them have started making massive comments on it, so many LINKS!!! They even made a thread about me on their forum, which I was stupid enough to join...it's exhausting reading the threads there so I have no desire to go back.

Maybe you guys could help me out with something...they've been giving me all of this "evidence" and recommending books etc. but I have no inclination to read it. They've said that I'm not being skeptical because I haven't looked at their stuff and because I won't read the books...really it's because it bores me...but they say in order to be truly skeptical or whatever I have to look at everything, and I know that's not true, it's ridiculous that they would expect that of me, but how can I respond to this???

So, she runs a skeptic blog which examines paranormal claims, but doesn't actually want to examine the full data and research of what she is writing about as "BS"? Which just goes to show the whole thing was a lost cause. She doesn't want to actually examine the data and research, and is content just being skeptical, and believes it's BS that she actually has to read the data (oh the horror, examining the actual data and research itself that's in question, so you don't flub up the facts!) to "know that's not true". (Sounds like a religious statement, like how a Christian will say they don't have to read and examine the Hindu Scriptures to "know that's not true", their pastor told them it wasn't, and that is that!)

I don't have any problem whatsoever reading skeptic articles and examining their claims (I've written a number of counter-articles to skeptic sources, and have asked Skeptic friends to point me to the best skeptic articles on this or that), nor do I have a problem with debating and discussing paranormal topics with skeptics civilly, etc. But woe is they who suggest the debunker on the other side on the issue actually examine the data and research in question of the topic that they are discussing, and the counter-arguments to their claims, so that they don't make erroneous claims about the research or the data, and can actually compare their arguments with the data and fact check. Oh, the horror!

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Re: This skeptic blogger girl has the wrong idea about this site

Postby Scepcop » 10 Aug 2009, 19:42

Good catch. You've exposed that blogger for what she really is. She pretended to be an innocent open minded truth seeker who just wanted "evidence" that's all. Then when she's given some evidence, she panicked as though she can't accept it and wasn't sure how to reject it, so she goes to the JREF forum for advice on how to dismiss it so she can go back to her belief system of "there's no evidence for any paranormal or psychic phenomena". Her actions fit exactly what I predicted.

I should make an example of this and show her quote in my treatise of how pseudo-skeptics react when presented with evidence.
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