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The Paradox of Starving Children in Africa - Propaganda?

Postby Scepcop » 20 Jan 2012, 06:48

I have a paradoxical question. If there are so many starving children in Africa, as the Western media likes to portray, then here's what I don't get.

If there are millions, or even thousands, of children and people who look like all bones in Africa, like they show on TV, then it would mean that they literally have nothing to eat right? Well human beings can only survive without food for 3 or 4 weeks right? If so, then how are all these millions of people with nothing to eat surviving to adulthood and reproducing with so many babies, who in turn survive into adulthood and repeat the cycle? If they had nothing to eat, wouldn't they all be gone in a month? How are they producing millions of more starving children with nothing to eat and lasting throughout every generation? Something doesn't seem to add up. Isn't this a contradiction of basic logic?

Interestingly enough, everyone I know who has gone to Africa say it's nothing like the media shows. They saw no starving children, and instead see an advanced industrial society with technology and development everywhere.

If that's so, then is this all a Western media propaganda? If so, what purpose does it serve? And where do they find all those people who look like they are all starving and bones?

Either way, why does the media wish to portray Africa as either a place where everyone is starving, or where savage tribes engage in warfare and cruelty? What's the purpose in that? Why don't they show the normal industrialized parts of Africa? What is their agenda and motive?
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Re: The Paradox of Starving Children in Africa - Propaganda?

Postby Jayhawker30 » 23 Jan 2012, 11:55

Well, why are some people in the world rich while others are poor?
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Re: The Paradox of Starving Children in Africa - Propaganda?

Postby Craig Browning » 23 Jan 2012, 12:23

What ticks me off most about all those commercial that solicit funds for the starving kids or abused puppies is that most of the cash raised goes in the pockets of "administrators". . . if the group honestly cared about the things they sing the sad sounds over, why are they paying six digit incomes to staff members?

Want a quick way to raise over a million dollars to feed those kids; force all the upper management to accept salaries of less than $100k and curtail the expense budgets. Stop dropping a few hundred K in making psychologically compelling commercials that EXPLOIT the kids or abused critters (not to mention some of the deliberate misrepresentation certain footage offers).

The real crime when it comes to those poor kids in Africa that will starve to death if I don't eat the crust on my bread (that's what mom used to say); take out the dictators that allow food to root on the docks rather than distribute it. . . the dictators who steal this food & clothing for themselves and their armies, etc. Take direct legal action towards those investors and corporations exploiting those people. . . like Pat Robertson and his blood diamond business (I never knew diamond mining was part of Missionary work but according to fat Pat, it is).

My biggest pet peeve is the fact that we have millions of malnourished people right here in the U.S. that aren't seeing any kind of sympathy & support. In my book charity should begin at home, taking care of our own first and foremost; I'm quite disgusted by the fact that this nation takes care of everyone else in the world faster and better than it takes care of its own citizens.
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Re: The Paradox of Starving Children in Africa - Propaganda?

Postby Scepcop » 23 Jan 2012, 16:44

Why can't these starving children in Africa just build farms and crops, and live the way people did before money existed, when society ran on the bartering system?

I still don't understand how all these starving children are able to survive and reproduce millions of more starving children.
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Re: The Paradox of Starving Children in Africa - Propaganda?

Postby Craig Browning » 24 Jan 2012, 00:21

Scepcop wrote:Why can't these starving children in Africa just build farms and crops, and live the way people did before money existed, when society ran on the bartering system?

I still don't understand how all these starving children are able to survive and reproduce millions of more starving children.


Look at the greater picture; where farming becomes established the militant groups come in and raid the farms, steal the food stuffs and devastate the villages frequently forcing boys over 12 into service whilst raping every female over 12 so as to create more children and so forth. Not exactly a conducive atmosphere for doing what you have suggested here. On top of this we are dealing with peoples that have religious and cultural influences that make birth control a "sin" INCLUDING not having sex and populating the world with more souls that will be indoctrinated into the same pile of dung mind-set; a cycle that only education and group integrity can change. So where the rebels aren't terrorizing these people physically, the priests/missionaries do by way of religiously framed LIES and psychological suggestion that keeps them passive and obedient -- true to "the word", as it were, and blind to the greater truth and the hypocrisy of those clerics they trust. Even here in the U.S. we can see how this same set of influences are destroying the nation's standing when it comes to global education standards and a young person's ability to step into a more civilized sense of understanding vs. primitive thinking. . . such as the idea that the world is less than 10,000 years old; a lie being heavily promoted in several states in this nation where ignorance is more prevalent than science and common sense.

And before it's said, I'm not saying that we must do away with religion or spiritually oriented thinking, only that people must be allowed to come into the latter 20th century with their understanding about the world & the universe vs. buying into Bronze Age mythos as being the literal truth. BALANCE is the only place where genuine truth can be found and our world doesn't have that in any remote sense of abundance even after 10,000 years of encouragements.
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Re: The Paradox of Starving Children in Africa - Propaganda?

Postby Veni » 19 Feb 2012, 05:48

Well. In every country one have an opportunity to find a member of society that is unfairly poor and can`t provide for his family. That may occur because of various reasons, like government arbitrariness or whatever. Now we photo this human and write a topic about hunger in all city. Inspire people to donate money and save the popularity of poor guys. Mission accomplished! You may take an imposing sum of money and... a little part of it will be spent on REAL charity. That`s a simple answer.
If someone wants to help a real concrete person that suffers, he should donate to him or her directly. There exist such a service.
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Re: The Paradox of Starving Children in Africa - Propaganda?

Postby Craig Browning » 20 Feb 2012, 00:14

Veni wrote:Well. In every country one have an opportunity to find a member of society that is unfairly poor and can`t provide for his family. That may occur because of various reasons, like government arbitrariness or whatever. Now we photo this human and write a topic about hunger in all city. Inspire people to donate money and save the popularity of poor guys. Mission accomplished! You may take an imposing sum of money and... a little part of it will be spent on REAL charity. That`s a simple answer.
If someone wants to help a real concrete person that suffers, he should donate to him or her directly. There exist such a service.


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Re: The Paradox of Starving Children in Africa - Propaganda?

Postby NinjaPuppy » 10 Mar 2012, 03:41

Scepcop wrote:Why can't these starving children in Africa just build farms and crops, and live the way people did before money existed, when society ran on the bartering system?

I still don't understand how all these starving children are able to survive and reproduce millions of more starving children.


Here's my $.02 on this subject since I was raised by a pack of wild nuns who never let me forget that there were starving children in Africa (and/or China according to my mother). The starvation seems to come and go with the crazy weather, especially droughts. No rain, no crops, no food. Hence the reproduction during the good times, population grows, then another bad growing season and it repeats.

Also, I'm with Craig on the hinky quality of various charity organizations that tend to troll for these dollars.
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Re: The Paradox of Starving Children in Africa - Propaganda?

Postby cecil1 » 23 Apr 2012, 02:12

Scepcop wrote:Why can't these starving children in Africa just build farms and crops, and live the way people did before money existed, when society ran on the bartering system?

I still don't understand how all these starving children are able to survive and reproduce millions of more starving children.



Question answered with the concept of ownership, it's the same reason you can't go building farms and planting crops just anywhere you like, the land is claimed via ownership.
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Re: The Paradox of Starving Children in Africa - Propaganda?

Postby Twain Shakespeare » 23 Apr 2012, 05:40

people must be allowed to come into the latter 20th century with their understanding about the world & the universe vs. buying into Bronze Age mythos as being the literal truth. BALANCE is the only place where genuine truth can be found and our world doesn't have that in any remote sense of abundance even after 10,000 years of encouragements.[/quote]

I personally would like to see us reach the 3rd Millenium, but considering it took Christianity over a thousand years to pull Europe back up to the 5th Century BC, and Islam has barely pulled Africa into the Age of Mohammad, how long will it take Democracy to drag Joe Blow up to accepting the 1st Amendment?
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Re: The Paradox of Starving Children in Africa - Propaganda?

Postby cecil1 » 23 Apr 2012, 06:54

The whole point of a democracy is to employ majority rights over minority rights, philosophically that is bad moral ethics and initiation of force, also known as collectivism.

Just a pet peeve of mine seeing democracy being touted as good moral ethics.
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