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Is Democracy a Sham?

Postby Scepcop » 02 Jan 2012, 23:53

Dang check out this post on my other forum. Is it true? Is this how the world really works? If so, that's so depressing isn't it? ... 3200#63200

"Damn Winston. For someone your age, you sure are naive. Instead of trying to debunk UFOs, maybe you need to read more on politics. Democracy itself is a scam. Why do you think America pushes for democracy so hard on countries, often with the use of bombs and missiles. Once a country becomes a democracy, it becomes easy for the USA to control. If you control the media, then you pretty much control the election results. A few examples include south Korea, Japan, Taiwan(not a country), Hong Kong. All of these countries/provinces are democracies, but they are also pupet regimes of the USA. If the media backs 0bama, then he'll win no matter what. If they don't back him, then they can frame him for a sex charge, and talk about it non stop in the media. This method was used against Dominique Strauss Khan, who was about to run for French president. The political scam is not a conspiracy. It's reality. The real conspiracy is that democracy represents the majority somehow. It does not matter if there's 2 political parties, or 20, as long as those parties all represent similar interests, then it's basically a dictatorship. Take a look at Ireland. They got a bunch of political parties, but at the end of the day, they all represent casino capitalism interests. That is why their economy is screwed, and now they are under the control of the IMF, and world bank. This was no accident or coincidence, and was planned years in advance. The same goes for Greece, even before they joined the European Union, and the banksters cooked by books to get them into the EU. If you take a look at 0bama, and Bush, what really is the difference between the two of them? They both represent capitalism, multinational corporations, torture, surveillance, war, imperialism, the rich, terorism, and prison industrial complex. The entire system in most "democracies" are illegitimate, and do not allow any free or open debate. All of the debate is controlled in these so called democracies. Every single person in the house of representatives is corrupt, otherwise, they would have never obtained their position. In order to run for office, you need money. Where does that money come from? They would need the support of multinational corporations, meaning they have to be corrupt, and represent the interests of multinational corporations, rather than the working class majority, which is the exact opposite of what a real democracy stands for. In a real democracy, as soon as the politician stops representing the majority, then he is pulled down. As far as I can see, this has never happened to politicians in the fake democratic world. In fact, you can argue that the exact opposite happens. Eliot Spitzer was overthrown because he threatened to prosecute Wall Street for causing the financial crisis. Since Wall Street essentially runs America, it was Eliot Spitzer who was punished, and not Wall Street. All politicians are not in on it, however, most Canadian, Australian, European, NZ, American, HK, SK, Japan, Taiwan, Singapore politicians are in on it. If they're not in on it, then you can count on them being assasinated, or overthrown soon. One example of someone who didn't play ball was John F. Kennedy. As you can see, he paid the price for it. His crime was that he was going take down the CIA. Here's who's not "in on it"- Iran, Venezuela, Zimbabwe, North Korea. Libya was also not "in on it". Libya had the highest standard of living in all of Africa and refused to allow western countries to rob his country. Notice how all these countries are on the hit list of America, because they're the ones who are actually not corrupt. In this world that you live in, good is bad, and bad is good. If you want to get a better idea of how politics works, you should read from"
“Devotion to the truth is the hallmark of morality; there is no greater, nobler, more heroic form of devotion than the act of a man who assumes the responsibility of thinking.” - Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
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Re: Is Democracy a Sham?

Postby Craig Browning » 03 Jan 2012, 02:11

Well, there is "a truth" to what that poster says but he's sounding like another Conspiracy junkie with all the finger-pointing.

Yes, Democracy as it's "supposed to work" is DEAD. It died the minute the Supreme Court allowed corporations to be viewed as human entities and thus, the flood gates were opened for buying politicians on a level never before possible. . . why else would millions of dollars be spent on a job that pays six digits? Look at how much negative baiting goes on, not from the candidates but via a coordinated group of independent "corporations" and faux Non-Profits which allow for deniability on the part of the candidates and organizers.

NO, the CIA and such aren't the evil underlings of whatever control element that's behind it all. . . and there is/are such influences though I do not believe it some kind of Illuminati/Alien connection. Fact is there's always been "outside fingers" in the mix and always will be. . . at least until ALL of humankind starts living in accordance to their perspective religions and/or similar moralities & ethos vs. the greed and oppression mode that's more or less saturated history & society.

Democracy, as in the sense of the idea of what America is supposed to be, is very much dead BUT, if you look around you will see that there is a growing movement to bring it back. I fear we will have to go through hell before the voice and will of the masses is actually heard and the corporate tyrants wake-up enough to realize they've getting castrated, but it seems that every so many centuries such things have to happen in order to correct course, bringing us back to something that's far more moral and ethical and just.
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Re: Is Democracy a Sham?

Postby cecil1 » 13 Apr 2012, 02:46

(15) “United States” means—
(A) a Federal corporation;
(B) an agency, department, commission, board, or other entity of the United States; or
(C) an instrumentality of the United States.

America is a corporation according to statutory law, which means there is a shareholder(s) involved, if you are not a shareholder then you are not an equitable owner of the united states.

America was founded as a republic, not a democracy, here is an educational video detailing the philosophy and abit of history too.

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Re: Is Democracy a Sham?

Postby NinjaPuppy » 14 Apr 2012, 05:31

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