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Though I find it kind of ironic, the number of Psychic ads we have on this forum, I was curious as to the number of you that would support me in giving our host a hard time and allowing me to post an ad for my new web site
I just published it this evening and have high hopes that it will garner a good $800.00 a month or better (which would technically "double" my monthly income)
Daddy Bear just can't hack this poor thing much longer. . . must generate income and must make big bucks fast (or Uncle Sam & Co. will cut me off and hang me out to die without benefits. . . it's a totally stupid system; no sense of rational transition. . . but don't get me started)
I woulsd support it for sure. Your adverts would be easier to look at than the love potion ads I see on here.
I don't understand why psychics need to advertise at all, though. Why can't you just sense the people that need your help and give them a call? (just kidding, lol)
"It is proper for you to doubt ... do not go upon report ... do not go upon tradition ... do not go upon hear-say." ~ Buddha
Scepcop can confirm, but I'm pretty sure that all those adds you see are google ads, generated by google.
Good luck! (though you know I'm skeptical about those types of services!). I hear you about needing money though! You've got some writing talents though Craig, maybe you could write a novel!
The site looks good! I'm very partial to the quote about love is an attachment to another self.
"There are only two tragedies in life: one is not getting what one wants, and the other is getting it." -- Oscar Wilde
I sincerely wish you the best concerning your health and potential income, but honestly, I can't support a site for a psychic. I didn't see anywhere on your site that says your services are "for entertainment purposes only." Isn't that a law or is that only in certain states? If not, do you say somewhere that if someone uses your services they do so at their own risk and you don't accept liability?
You stated that an income of $800 a month would double your current income, but with your health issues, can you not obtain social security disability? That would increase your income 5-fold.
Anyway, I feel bad that you are going through personal issues causing you to garner additional income, I just wish that the manner you choose to help yourself was not via a possible fraudulent service.
Firstly, I'm on SSI -- a whopping $860ish a month a third of which goes to "housing" (which isn't that bad, actually)
As to the "For Entertainment Purposes" B.S. line -- that's a magic lover's disclaimer and NOT the "law" though there are situations in some municipalities do make it a practical tag-line for marketing reasons. For an example, Xenia, Ohio has a local ordnance against any form of divination (ubber-conservative town/the state being black-hole in the nation) in order to work in that area (though my family and I owned a "Witchcraft" store in the city next to it) I had to use my credentials as an established entertainer or face a steep fine. . . something that came up because I was doing private psychic parties (a mainstay of Mentalism) in that area.
Do ministers, professional counselors/therapist warn patrons that the onus is on their shoulders should something go wrong?
How many papered and certified counselors/mental health professionals are guilty of creating drug addicts and co-dependent zombies?
Sorry, I've seen far less damage or predatory antics in the psychic world than I've seen in the auspices of the so-called "Legitimate" arena where clergymen betray their parishioners left and right (typically at the sexual level), and the medical side of things screws us all at a multitude of levels, so let's not point fingers without assuming an EQUAL degree of recognition and across the board "regulating". As I've said time and again, corruption is an exception in all fields; just because someone calls themselves a Psychic does not mean they are instantly larcenists or evil in some way -- are all Catholic priests child molesters? We all smirk and joke about it, but we also know better; why isn't that case when it comes to the Psychic industry where the amount of good we do far outweighs the amount of negative intrusion and exploitation the con-artists have waged -- That is a documentable fact!
What I do is NOT "Fraud" on any level. I literally Read the Cards and do the Numbers when it comes to Numerology -- I am selling EXACTLY what I state; using a system exactly as it is designed to be used. If skeptics were to pull their head out of their hind-side long enough to actually LEARN how to do legitimate Readings (vs. the B.S. theories they love to lean on) and spend just one year using the system doing just 3-5 Readings a day I can assure you, you'll stop seeing things as cynically as you do right now. . . you'll see for yourself that there is much more to it than double-speak and psychological manipulation; the "trick" to it, is to simply do it as written and stop looking for the gimmick and short cuts.
Yes, there are psychological and awareness aspects to doing this work. . . where do you thing all the legitimized "sciences" got their insights from? It all started with studying symbolism, association and all the other things psychics/mystics have known of and used long, long, long before "rationalist" theory ever became a glimmer in the human mind. After all Reading, Writing, Math, Chemistry, etc. are all OCCULT ARTS -- part of the mystic arts that were reserved for those initiates that were proven "worthy" -- the proper aptitude, knack, etc. for each area of study. Even up to the day we had the printing press and "the church" realized how much it would allow them to manipulate the public, these same "exclusivity" modes of keeping the "power" in the hands of the priests was the standard. Unlike the mystics before them however, the priesthood saw how to profit from this advantage as well; selling enlightenment to the wealthy and allowing only the prestigious families -- the ruling class -- to have access to the "scripture".
I'm going off the path a bit but have hopefully revealed both, the chink to the issue's armor as well as the legitimacy behind my world -- a legitimate factor that some folks want to deny as the result of their unwillingness to recognize the direct parallels between their idea as to what is legit and honest/"moral" and what the majority of us do.
Stop tossing everyone into the same pigeon hole -- not all pit-bulls are vicious animals
Craig, good luck with your site. But if you're getting $860 a month, then how would $800 double your income? I don't get the math.
How will you promote your site and get clients? Shouldn't you put some nice graphics on there? I think spiritual people like white, sky blue, light pink, etc. like rainbow colors.
Why don't you use google adwords to advertise your site all over the web?
Or buy text link ads?
“Devotion to the truth is the hallmark of morality; there is no greater, nobler, more heroic form of devotion than the act of a man who assumes the responsibility of thinking.” - Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
I don't agree with going to see ministers for financial or career advice. My wife is catholic and I absolutely refuse to go to see a priest who's never been married to give us marriage advice. As for professional counselors, they have been educated and licensed. They base their advice on experience and other tangible sources...not from the luck of the draw.
I don't know, how many?
How do you know it's not fraud? What reference or evidence do you have that supports it is a legitimate source of reliable assistance for people?
First, I never said you were vicious. But, realistically, the title of your web site implies you're a psychic and, as I stated in my previous thread, I haven't seen reliable evidence to support that that this practice is anything more than fraudulent people or, at best, people who really believe they are doing good based on nothing more than unreliable evidence.
For the record, I want to make it clear that I am in support of Craig being allowed to post an ad in this forum, which is the question at hand.
I do not see Craig's adverts as being any more deceptive (perhaps less) than some of the other ads I have seen here.
As for the general morality of what Craig is doing, That is a side issue and I do not really care to comment, or have any illusion that my comments would have an effect.
"It is proper for you to doubt ... do not go upon report ... do not go upon tradition ... do not go upon hear-say." ~ Buddha
And I would like to add (and clarify) that I, too, am in support of Craig being allowed to post an ad, IF, he truly believes that what he is doing is legitimate (regardless of whether it really is or not). And, just to clarify an earlier post of mine, I don't want to come across as me thinking Craig is a fraud or even that all psychics are fraudulent as some do believe that what they are doing has merit. What comes into question in MY mind is whether or not people should use or follow the advice of someone who provides counseling based on cards, numbers, crystal balls, psychic abilities, and the like...
But canis is right in that this thread is about whether he should be allowed to advertise.
Have you ever looked at who most people, including yourself, tend to go to first when trying to get clarification on things?
Starts with friends & family members, the barber/hair dresser, bartender and for big city dwellers taxi drivers seem to come into the mix. While many will go to their clergyman the modern alternative is the Psychic who is likewise the "next step" when the clergy fail to satisfy the person in need.
While those that live in metropolitan areas, especially near a college campus, will consider professional counselors quicker than rural dwellers (who tend to be more religiously focused). HOWEVER, even with this vocation group in play, fewer males will seek such help due to the stigma it creates both, within their world as well as their own mind -- admitting "weakness" and needing to "talk" and expose "feelings" is the same as castrating yourself and surrounding your "man hood"; this is how the majority of red-blooded "American" males look at it. "Real Mean" don't need psychiatric help and they don't eat quiche
BUT... they will come to see a Reader, even though they make up less than 15% of the typical clientèle Readers see.
THE DICHOTOMY, as least when it comes to word-play, is that the majority of sessions I have with clients DON'T involve me actually working through the Reading but rather, being a sounding board and in some instances, a "friend" that can be rented when needed.
If you stop and think about it, that's all any counselor does at least 75-80% of the time. The balance of that time is composed of efforts to help the client see alternative paths -- choices -- and where possible bolster their self-confidence and motivation to "claim their own power" and dig themselves out of the rut they happen to be in. . . which isn't always the case. Frequently the task presented is nothing more than patting the client on the back and letting them know that they are O.K. The cards, Runes, etc. are nothing more than a focusing tool -- a system that helps the sitter tap his/her own subconscious and confirm for themselves things they already know and know need to be done. In the past 5 years alone, nine out of ten Readings convey the same two "lessons" -- simplify your life but get involved with it at the same time. My counsel being to turn off the Tweets, Facebooks, etc. and learn how to actually COMMUNICATE and BUILD RELATIONSHIPS with living, breathing human beings -- PARTICIPATE in life vs. the impersonal antics we see at such a prolific level these days.
The "Legitimacy" claim I make is that I offer a service based on a handful of esoteric systems I've studied and worked with for over 30 years. I use that system alongside counseling techniques that I've had formal training in. You'll find that the majority of todays professional Readers have at least a B.A. in counseling with a growing number hosting much higher levels of formal certification. I know of one lady in Las Vegas with a Ph.D. in Psychology + a Psychiatry Doctorate and lesser degrees in Anthropology and Religious History. . . she's a kind of perpetual student, which is a curse most serious Readers in todays world tend to be -- we're not content with the "basics" you might say.
Again, rather than bashing the book because of its cover, try learning about its content and what it really says. You may be surprised.
Really gotta disagree here Craig. The "majority" of professional readers do not have an accredited degree.
http://www.gpinquirygroup.com/gpinquiry ... cfees.html
Yes, of course it's true that people seek the advice of barbers, bartenders, and other professions. In fact, I seek (usually involuntarily) financial advice from my wife who, unfortunately, is not a financial advisor, among other things she is not qualified to councel me on, but does. However, what does any of that have to do with someone advertising psychic abilities and receiving money for a reading? If you seek financial guidance do you look up financial advisor with credentials or one without? To whom would you suggest your children go see? is there any legitimacy at all to financial counselors? (yes) Marriage counselors? (yes) Career advisors? (yes) Psychic advisors? (hmmmmmm.)
Financial advice, like legal & medical issues, require someone skilled in that arena and any Reader worth their weight will deflect such questions and send the client to an expert (this includes Mental Health situations, btw.) When it comes to possible career choices there are techniques available to Psychics that can give the client OPTIONS -- a look at areas they will probably do best in. Interestingly, a strong number of such matches coincide with aptitude testing and job counseling type tests that generate a similar list. Besides that, most of us actually know intuitively, the kind of work/career path we are best suited for.
When I was tested by the State of Ohio (an aptitude test series) some years ago the list of 18 or so career path options they recommended included; Writing, Acting, Professional Magic, Counseling and being a Psychic within the top 12. . . go figure After three weeks of psychological "scientific testing" and several thousands of dollars later, they tell me what I already knew. . . and we wonder why States and the Nation are so far in debt
Oh! Yes, the word "Psychic" was actually on the list.
My point previously, is that everyone seeks the counsel of non-professional or improperly trained counselors daily and run the risk of being screwed over just as quickly as you are assuming people are when they go to see a psychic.
As to your link on Education in the Psychic trade, I can't say where the article got their statistics but I know, based on the people I've worked with over the years as well as what the merchants (owners of New Age stores) are encouraging, is the fact that most serious people from my generation forward that are aggressively working in this field for more than 3-5 years, will be taking classes and in many cases, getting certification if not degrees, in counseling and psych. But as I've pointed out many times before, one can take countless polls and get the statistics they want -- the information that will slant findings towards the favor of their intended readership/market sector; that's how things work in the world now days -- everything is "true" and at the same time, a "lie".
One Important Point. . . people seeking the advice of a "specialist" is very much "logical" and as such, wouldn't it be logical for a person wanting insight by a person familiar with their own way of looking at the world -- spiritually and even intellectually -- to meet with the sort of person they have both, respect and rapport with that may be able to help them see and understand things with a bit more clarity? Are you saying that such people don't have this right?
If you are, that would be akin to telling ministers they can't exist; in many an instance Psychics are in fact, clergy within a legitimate religious grouping. Granted, it may be a Wiccan type coven, but last I checked that's both, legal and generally viewed as "valid". Even on the Christian front, you will find many Readers that come from a Science of Mind background as well as Unitarians who have or are undergoing legit training for serving as counselors, and while this is frequently faith/group based, it is still formal training and religious association -- they are "officers" of that church group. So again, based on this assumption that Reader's are all evil and out to screw the public, you are saying that members of these different faiths don't have the right to patronize members of the clerical society or that the clerics themselves aren't allowed to get paid for their time and effort?
I don't buy it and I really don't want to believe that's what you're saying or even that you would want to dis-allow a person's right to choose. Yet, you are more or less implying just that based on ASSUMPTIONS and OPINIONS vs. actual EXPERIENCE. I've yet to meet a cynic that has the balls to do that latter part; they are all afraid of finding out something they don't want to believe in and conceal that fear under the ruse and argument of "Critical Thinking" a.k.a. talking yourself out of accepting that there is "more" to it all.
As I've said before, far too many situations in my life for me to weld the door shut, as so many of today's "skeptics" (cynics) have done. . . true skeptics, back in the day I was first involved in that world, NEVER shut the door that tight; most of them wanted to find that "proof" (even the Bible tells us about this, that's how long it's been going on). But "man" is still looking with his eyes, compass and calculators rather than LISTENING to hear that subtle voice or pay attention to the more etheric odds & ends that we catch dancing just outside of focused sight. Because the spiritual is not tangible and quickly "proven" it must be false and a great hustle; and yet, most of the ancient adepts & teachers told us that this was in fact, the case -- it's ALL an Illusion . . . I know you'll probably not comprehend what that means at first, but I have faith that you will eventually start to catch a glimmer of it.
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