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Re: What is the Second Law of Thermodynamics ?

Postby PrismEntity » 01 Apr 2011, 01:12

Yes.

Evolution does not violate the second law.

Because the second law applies only to closed systems, which we can define as systems which are totaly self contained, having no flow of matter or energy between the system and its environment.

If our battery has gone dead, then it is in a state of equalibrium. Left to itself, it will simply remain dead. However, we can recharge the battery, at the expense of order outside the battery.

In other words, it does not at all violate the SL to reverse entropy locally, as long as entropy increases generally, which is exactly what happens when we recharge a battery, or when life evolves.

It is exactly the same concept.
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Re: What is the Second Law of Thermodynamics ?

Postby Arouet » 01 Apr 2011, 01:19

Ummm, so if you knew that, then why did you post that quotation, knowing it was wrong? Why would you have considered it to be interesting? (Unless it was interesting only because it was wrong, which you should have pointed out, which brings us back to why did you post is in the first place?)
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Re: What is the Second Law of Thermodynamics ?

Postby PrismEntity » 01 Apr 2011, 01:37

The quote from Hutchison is to perform the same function that he used it for. To illustrate the basic question that makes people think that evolution violates the second law, in order to go on and address it.

Do you not agree with being clear on just what it is you are discussing?

He never said evolution violated the second law. He said it seems to, which of course it does to those who are unaware of just how entropy works.
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Re: What is the Second Law of Thermodynamics ?

Postby Arouet » 01 Apr 2011, 01:44

This is a discussion board filled with non physics experts. There is no need to proffer tests. Why not just come right out and say the message you want to give, rather than post something that makes it look like you are saying that the TOE violates the 2nd Law.
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Re: What is the Second Law of Thermodynamics ?

Postby PrismEntity » 01 Apr 2011, 01:49

This is a discussion board filled with non physics experts.


Exactly why we should be very clear on just what the issue is, in laymans terms.

There is no need to proffer tests. Why not just come right out and say the message you want to give, rather than post something that makes it look like you are saying that the TOE violates the 2nd Law.


I think you are nitpicking my method.

Would you ask that same question of Socrates?
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Re: What is the Second Law of Thermodynamics ?

Postby caniswalensis » 01 Apr 2011, 05:56

PrismEntity wrote:Would you ask that same question of Socrates?


Are you comparing yourself to Socrates? :)
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Re: What is the Second Law of Thermodynamics ?

Postby Arouet » 01 Apr 2011, 06:44

I like the socratic method quite a lot and use it myself quite a bit. But it works much better on plain logical issues, rather than the finer points of the entropy physics!

I wasn't trying to be overly critical. Your post made it seem like you agreed with the statement. It was kind of annoying to see that you already knew it but were playing some kind of teacher.
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Re: What is the Second Law of Thermodynamics ?

Postby Arouet » 01 Apr 2011, 10:10

By the way Prism: welcome to the forum and hope you stick around!
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Re: What is the Second Law of Thermodynamics ?

Postby PrismEntity » 01 Apr 2011, 23:28

Are you comparing yourself to Socrates?


No.

Your post made it seem like you agreed with the statement


I think you should carefully look at that quote again, which acually is a question, not a statement.
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Re: What is the Second Law of Thermodynamics ?

Postby Arouet » 02 Apr 2011, 01:31

There are people out there (generally christian fundamentalists) who make that exact argument. So there's no surprise that it looked like you were endorsing it.
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Re: What is the Second Law of Thermodynamics ?

Postby PrismEntity » 02 Apr 2011, 05:53

There are people out there (generally christian fundamentalists) who make that exact argument.


Of course. Thats the point.

So there's no surprise that it looked like you were endorsing it.


Non sequitar. Other people endorse it, so if i illustrate it to address it, im endorsing it?
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Re: What is the Second Law of Thermodynamics ?

Postby PrismEntity » 02 Apr 2011, 05:59

Please excuse my rudeness.

Thanks for the welcome! :D
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Re: What is the Second Law of Thermodynamics ?

Postby PrismEntity » 02 Apr 2011, 06:09

BTW.

I AM a teacher.

As well as a student.

Actually, I'm neither.
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Re: What is the Second Law of Thermodynamics ?

Postby PrismEntity » 04 Apr 2011, 11:54

Ilya Prigogine.

Dissapative structures.

Anyone?



Anyone?
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Re: What is the Second Law of Thermodynamics ?

Postby spoirier » 25 Jun 2011, 18:47

My introduction to quantum physics developed from first metaphysical principles of mind-matter duality, continues by an explanation of the nature of entropy. Maybe it can help you get it more clearly.
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