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Skeptics, how did this Ninjitsu master do this?

Postby Scepcop » 17 Oct 2010, 18:45

Perhaps he should apply for the Randi Challenge?



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An India Kali Ninjutsu Master, who is also renowned Escapologist and practitioner of ancient Indonesian Penjak Silat has accepted a maximum security escape challenge from maximum security restraint expert, Pittsburgh-based Charles Caputo. This has never been attempted before under tested conditions by any escape artist and is being called The Worlds Most Difficult Maximum Security Escape Challenge.

Charles Caputo created this escape challenge says, No one has ever escaped from these maximum security restraints. Houdini and all other escape artists never attempted and avoided these types of restraint escapes all their lives. And it is even more so virtually impossible with the locks welded shut.

Escape Challenge defies the laws of physics as a genuine pair of Police handcuffs-- Smith & Wesson Model 100 double lock satin nickel finish handcuffs is used with a maximum security prisoner transport box-- Hiatt-Thompson Model 7082 Blue Box Cover. This is the ultimate in maximum security prisoner transport and no one has ever escaped from these two restraints combined. The Hiatt Blue Box is also locked with a maximum security pad lock and the Keyhole is Welded closed so once it is locked, no key will open this pad lock. Once the Smith & Wesson handcuffs are locked inside with the maximum security Hiatt Blue Box, it is impossible to unlock them. Under the most extreme scientific tested conditions, a maximum security expert and magician will physically search the Ninjutsu master including a state-of-the-art metal detector. The restraints are then applied under the most extreme conditions where the hands and wrists are compressed where any movement or twisting causes the handcuffs to become tighter and tighter with severe painful pressure.

Scientists, magicians and maximum security experts say this escape is impossible. Specially trained security experts are on stand-by should these maximum security restraints and locks need to be sawed and drilled to remove them. This special invitation event was for a live media performance that was covered by many news outlets.

The Ninjutsu Master has baffled scientists all over the world from Russia, Israel, France, Japan and USA in Psi energy research and mind-over-matter experiments. He is the only escape artist to open locks under scientific tested conditions. He opened a 4 billion code security lock without touching the lock considered impossible by scientists and security personnel. This Ninjutsu master also participates in experimental research projects with MIT, Russian scientists and secret government experiments that can not be revealed at this time.

The Ninjutsu Master is performing a mind-over-matter India Kali Ninjutsu escape. He is donating his performance for free in this never-before-seen event. This Escape Challenge is a fund raiser for the Salvation Army to raise money in the "Escape Hunger" theme. Ninjutsu master says, "This is definitely a test of the human spirit and I believe in the Salvation Army's work in over 100 countries makes them one of the best charities ever created. I dedicate my Ninjutzu Escape on November 29th to unite sponsors, benefactors and all of mankind to support the Salvation Army's mission to help people escape hunger."
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Re: Skeptics, how did this Ninjitsu master do this?

Postby Arouet » 17 Oct 2010, 20:04

I have no idea how he did it. Skepticism is not about debunking magic tricks.
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Re: Skeptics, how did this Ninjitsu master do this?

Postby caniswalensis » 18 Oct 2010, 00:17

Without being an expert on the type of restraints used, I do not think anyone could form a meaningful opinion on how this was done. At first, it struck me as being some form of escape illusion, simply because it has all the trappings of one.

I think it is worth noting the sentence in the description that reads "Houdini and all other escape artists never attempted and avoided these types of restraint escapes all their lives." These restraints were not yet invented when Houdini was performing. This sentence is fundamentaly wrong or decietful. It is an attempt to add credibility to the stunt, but fails. Just seeing this sentence in there is a red flag to me that not all is as it is claimed to be.

Five minutes of google time rendered unto me a few facts.

The blue boxes are a recent inovation that fit over a standard set of hand cuffs, limiting the motion of the cuffs and hiding the keyholes. I imagine that any cuff escape techique that did not use the keyholes would still work on these restraints, with some modification. Is that why he was touching them with his feet?

I found other vids of this same guy that purport to show him lighting fires with his mind. These also looked very much like standard stage illusions.



Most illuminating was this man's own website. It is full of the same sort of "unexplainable martial arts power tested by science" type of talk, but if you look around carefully, you find this:

JOEY NUZUM MAGICK FEATS

Joey Nuzum is continually developing new "Magick Illusions," "Mind-Over-Matter," "Thought Projections," "Mind-Over-Body," "Matter-Through-Matter" feats and more. Inventing magick feats and stunts for some of the top magicians and magic manufacturers in the world, Joey Nuzum also functions as both a consultant and advisor.


Every production package that is created and performed is carefully planned and produced with the same quality and perfection as all Beyond Magick Production events.

http://beyond-magick.tripod.com/id17.html

It appears that beyond the rather cliche martial arts schtick, Mr. Nuzum is a stage magician & escape artist. I see no reason to believe that he has real pshcic powers. If he does, he needs to offer concrete proof of that if he wants people to accept it as true.

This is how sceptism & critical think works. You don't watch a video like this and take it at face value, perhaps using it to wrongly bolster other claims or shoddy evidence. You think about what you are being told, look for strong internal logic, or the lack thereof. You apply critical thinking to the evidence and do research if neeeded. In this case it took me less time to discover he is most likely a stage magician than to type this post. It could be I am wrong, but he will have to offer more convincing evidence than stage illusions if he wants me to invest more of my time in him. I imagine that is how the majority of scientists would feel too. He is making the claim. It is up to him to support it with good evidence. People do not have to prove his claim is untrue.

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Re: Skeptics, how did this Ninjitsu master do this?

Postby derrida » 18 Oct 2010, 01:25

IT IS an illusion
an escapism ilussion

theres nothing to debunk here
it is a trick
thats it

dude i know you want to believe.. but this are tricks
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Re: Skeptics, how did this Ninjitsu master do this?

Postby caniswalensis » 18 Oct 2010, 01:38

Here's a vid of a criminal showing one way to do this sort of thing:

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Re: Skeptics, how did this Ninjitsu master do this?

Postby Craig Browning » 18 Oct 2010, 01:57

MAGIC TRICK!

It's a simple (very simple) Publicity Trick, nothing more.

While I don't know anything about that type of cuff I know enough about escape work and handcuffs to know how easy it is to either gimmick the cuffs on site (during the locking) or to simply have a set of quick release cuffs made that look like the sort used by the cops... you either use these with the cops going along with the gag (most likely) or you've switched out the legit set for the gimmicked set at some point AFTER any sort of inspection has been done.
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Re: Skeptics, how did this Ninjitsu master do this?

Postby derrida » 18 Oct 2010, 09:45

and... should he apply for randi´s million?
nah i dont think so.. randi was a escape artist himself
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Re: Skeptics, how did this Ninjitsu master do this?

Postby Scepcop » 18 Oct 2010, 16:08

Arouet wrote:I have no idea how he did it. Skepticism is not about debunking magic tricks.


How do you know for sure that it's a magic trick? Why do you assume that automatically?
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Re: Skeptics, how did this Ninjitsu master do this?

Postby Scepcop » 18 Oct 2010, 16:10

derrida wrote:IT IS an illusion
an escapism ilussion

theres nothing to debunk here
it is a trick
thats it

dude i know you want to believe.. but this are tricks


How do you know this?

Tricks are done with magic props. Those handcuffs were real law enforcement handcuffs, not magic props. Can magic tricks get out of real maximum security handcuffs?
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Re: Skeptics, how did this Ninjitsu master do this?

Postby Scepcop » 18 Oct 2010, 16:19

Craig Browning wrote:MAGIC TRICK!

It's a simple (very simple) Publicity Trick, nothing more.

While I don't know anything about that type of cuff I know enough about escape work and handcuffs to know how easy it is to either gimmick the cuffs on site (during the locking) or to simply have a set of quick release cuffs made that look like the sort used by the cops... you either use these with the cops going along with the gag (most likely) or you've switched out the legit set for the gimmicked set at some point AFTER any sort of inspection has been done.


Why would the cops be in on the trick? What if they are not? Can you use magic tricks to get out of real maximum security handcuffs?
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Re: Skeptics, how did this Ninjitsu master do this?

Postby Arouet » 18 Oct 2010, 20:29

Scepcop wrote:
Craig Browning wrote:MAGIC TRICK!

It's a simple (very simple) Publicity Trick, nothing more.

While I don't know anything about that type of cuff I know enough about escape work and handcuffs to know how easy it is to either gimmick the cuffs on site (during the locking) or to simply have a set of quick release cuffs made that look like the sort used by the cops... you either use these with the cops going along with the gag (most likely) or you've switched out the legit set for the gimmicked set at some point AFTER any sort of inspection has been done.


Why would the cops be in on the trick? What if they are not? Can you use magic tricks to get out of real maximum security handcuffs?


You ignored the other suggestion Craig made: that these things can be gimmicked while the cuffs are being put on.

Given that the guy says on his website that he's a professional magician, I think the edge can go to magic trick, don't you? Why do you give the edge to the paranormal?
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Re: Skeptics, how did this Ninjitsu master do this?

Postby really? » 18 Oct 2010, 21:02

Scepcop wrote:
derrida wrote:IT IS an illusion
an escapism ilussion

theres nothing to debunk here
it is a trick
thats it

dude i know you want to believe.. but this are tricks


How do you know this?

Tricks are done with magic props. Those handcuffs were real law enforcement handcuffs, not magic props. Can magic tricks get out of real maximum security handcuffs?


Here's how you escape from real handcuffs

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Re: Skeptics, how did this Ninjitsu master do this?

Postby caniswalensis » 19 Oct 2010, 00:46

Hey Ninja Puppy, can you do this? lol
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Re: Skeptics, how did this Ninjitsu master do this?

Postby NinjaPuppy » 20 Oct 2010, 18:44

caniswalensis wrote:Hey Ninja Puppy, can you do this? lol

While I do have a lovely pair of fur lined cuffs in my possession, they are not what you would consider police issue. ;)

But they do work the same way.
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Re: Skeptics, how did this Ninjitsu master do this?

Postby caniswalensis » 20 Oct 2010, 20:11

NinjaPuppy wrote:
caniswalensis wrote:Hey Ninja Puppy, can you do this? lol

While I do have a lovely pair of fur lined cuffs in my possession, they are not what you would consider police issue. ;)

But they do work the same way.


I think I'm in love. :shock:
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