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2 Deprogramming questions for Skeptics

Postby Scepcop » 03 Aug 2010, 07:58

Skeptics,
Let's do some psychoanalysis/deprogramming here.

I have some serious questions for you, that you keep dodging. Please address them and we'll take it from there.

1. Why do you believe that everything official and every official front is the truth with unquestioning faith? Why do you believe whatever the media/government/establishment tell you without question, and that there are no big secrets or conspiracies? Why are you unable to assess evidence and testimonials to the contrary?

2. If you dispute that you believe #1, then please name some conspiracies/secrets that are true that the government/establishment does not tell us. And list some things that the establishment is wrong about, and why.

If you can't answer the two questions above, then you've either got something to hide or you are under mind control and not aware of it.

There's no way around it.

Your move.
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Re: 2 Deprogramming questions for Skeptics

Postby jakesteele » 03 Aug 2010, 15:48

I know exactly what you're talking about. I noticed this an a number of other very specific traits about debunkers and it inspired me to write what I call The Debunker's Law of...

Here are some that apply to your thread:

The Law of the Avoided Question: Answer the question you would have liked to have been asked rather than the one that was asked. Who cares what the original question was, answer a question that you have prepared an answer for regardless (any question will do, as long as it is related to the subject… and sometimes not even then.

Law of the “Official Story” (aka. Safe refuge in a harbor) – The Official Story is always right. I’ts true because it’s true/if it’s true it can’t be false. If the OS says it was a weather balloon, then it was; proof positive, case closed. No question, no doubt, total acceptance. This is similar to an Appeal to Authority, but in their case they say it isn’t, because if it’s true, then it can’t be an Appeal to Authority because the OS is impeccable and beyond reproach.

Law of Mutual Validation – is achieved by JREFing each other off…sorry, I had to say it. (smiley face goes here)

The Law of Blind Faith: A state of mind wherein people's need to believe in something outweighs their need to know the truth.

Law of The Safe Harbor - Always oppose the conspiracy angle by invoking the Official Story angle because it’s safer, easier and more emotionally comforting if you let someone else do the thinking for you. Example, Roswell was a balloon, etc.

Too bad debunkers can't see themselves from the perspective of others.
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Re: 2 Deprogramming questions for Skeptics

Postby ProfWag » 03 Aug 2010, 21:55

Scepcop wrote:
2. If you dispute that you believe #1, then please name some conspiracies/secrets that are true that the government/establishment does not tell us. And list some things that the establishment is wrong about, and why.


Your move.

This is 100% impossible. If they are conspiracy secrets that the government doesn't tell us, there is no way for me to state unequivically they are wrong. Absolutely impossible.

And also, I HAVE given examples in the past, but you refuse to read them. That's not my fault.

Off the top of my head though, I'll remind you of the CIA secretly drugging people with LSD in the '60s, the Manhatten Project, Iran/Contra, the SR71, Bohemian Grove, and the 1919 Chicago White Sox.

I've also gone on record saying I believe the government knew more than they are telling us about what they were aware Al Quada was planning a massive terrorist attack (though I don't believe they knew when or where). Plus, I also believe we invaded Iraq for little more reason that so George W could finish what his Dad didn't.

Additionally, I do believe that certain departments within the CDC have come close to accidently exposing millions of people to deadly viruses. (On a side note, one of my favorite books is "The Hot Zone" by Richard Preston. I HIGHLY recommend it, especially for people such as Scepcop who are looking for info on true incidences that were originally covered up. Read the info on it in Amazon or Wikipedia if you don't believe me. It's truly THE most chilling thing I have ever read.)

Whaddya say Scepcop, is that enough and will you get off my back now?
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Re: 2 Deprogramming questions for Skeptics

Postby NinjaPuppy » 04 Aug 2010, 19:12

Anyone have any info on the Manhattan Project? It's always interested me.
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Re: 2 Deprogramming questions for Skeptics

Postby ProfWag » 04 Aug 2010, 20:33

NinjaPuppy wrote:Anyone have any info on the Manhattan Project? It's always interested me.

Yes, it's a government owned housing facility in New York City... ;-)

By the way, "Hapyy 1 year Anniversary in this forum to me, aappy 1 year anniversary in this forum to me, happy 1 year nniversary, happy 1 year anniversary, happy 1 year anniversary in this forum to me... "
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Re: 2 Deprogramming questions for Skeptics

Postby NinjaPuppy » 04 Aug 2010, 21:11

ProfWag wrote:
NinjaPuppy wrote:Anyone have any info on the Manhattan Project? It's always interested me.

Yes, it's a government owned housing facility in New York City... ;-)

Smart arse! :lol:

ProfWag wrote:By the way, "Hapyy 1 year Anniversary in this forum to me, aappy 1 year anniversary in this forum to me, happy 1 year nniversary, happy 1 year anniversary, happy 1 year anniversary in this forum to me... "

Yes, Hapyy nniversay to ewe!
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Re: 2 Deprogramming questions for Skeptics

Postby ProfWag » 04 Aug 2010, 22:09

Oh my. Perhaps I was part of the Manhatten Project when I was learning to spell. I had those letters capitalized, then I thought I went back and uncapitalized them, but obviously I did something wrong...
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Re: 2 Deprogramming questions for Skeptics

Postby Craig Browning » 07 Aug 2010, 16:28

1. Why do you believe that everything official and every official front is the truth with unquestioning faith?

I don’t… I tend to question everything. BUT, I have found that the majority of what the “Official Story” states, tends to be rather dead on… not in all instances, just far more so than not.

Why do you believe whatever the media/government/establishment tell you without question, and that there are no big secrets or conspiracies?

On one hand the “hush, hush” factor centers on issues of National Security and that includes keeping the masses calm. If, for instance,the truth around UFOs/Alien visitation were made official it would generate un-due panic simply because of the religious influences within our societies. Because they are “different” and not viable (according to the Bible or Koran, etc.) they must then be evil and minions of the devil… they do have greyish skin, demonic looking eyes and strange V shaped feet after all…

The general public must be spoon fed certain information and that includes some of the technology we experience, much of what we have today being 10+ years obsolete. To bring some of the “break-through” stuff “they” have would prove a bit disastrous simply because of consumers being overwhelmed and ill-prepared to work with it… even today we have senior citizens that are literally afraid of cell phones and a basic PC… some for religious reasons, most because of the technology behind them is “frightening” to their mind.

Why are you unable to assess evidence and testimonials to the contrary?

This should be “easy”… because the information being shared by said sources typically fails to hold up when scrutinized. A great example is your pet curiosity around 9/11 and the WTC; the claim that the CIA planted explosives in the buildings so as to make them collapse. But as I’ve stated demolition experts, explosive specialists and engineers have all looked at this theory and proven it to be flat out impossible when it comes to keeping it secret during the staging part of such an endeavor… the amount of C-4 and other such tech that would be required as well as the structural modifications one must do in order to create a demolition styled drop… it’s just not feasible. People would see it happening and someone would eventually question what’s going on or, because of the number of people that would be required to stage such a deception as well as the amount of time that would be required for putting everything into place… you would have leaks… scuttlebutt about things that were going on. Even professional killers have moral limits but to know that you will be murdering a couple of thousand people? I’d say you’re pushing the envelope there.

There are other cases of course; Roswell and Wright Patterson being near the top of the list along with the Lincoln and Kennedy Assassinations, Pearl Harbor (a tale that gets echoed in the WTC situation), etc. Even the whole Noah’s Ark story has multiple theories surrounding it, but that’s the catch phrase here: THEORIES and not even valid “scientific” theories such as we have with Evolution or Quantum science.

2. If you dispute that you believe #1, then please name some conspiracies/secrets that are true that the government/establishment does not tell us. And list some things that the establishment is wrong about, and why.

Keeping the whole UFO/visiting ETs is probably one of the bigger conspiracy issues that the governments of the world tend to suppress most and for multiple reasons.

There are issues within the entire WWII era but especially how the U.S. adopted numerous high ranking NAZIs including known war criminals, giving them a free pass for various reasons, with technology being at the top of the heap. BUT the other side of this coin is the suppression of the fact that the U.S. (prior to Pearl Harbor) actually had a massive NAZI movement within its own boarders and not all of it came from German immigrants. Since the war the U.S. and the U.K. have slowly adopted a good amount of NAZI based thinking; especially when it comes to controlling the masses by way of the water supply and things as innocent as toothpaste or the use of certain insecticides within given population areas where a more liberal and creative mind-set tends to be more prominent.

Psychic Research and Development Programs which have been both, denied and belittled even though there are still known Psychics working for various aspects of the government, most particularly in areas dealing with “insights” pertaining to perceived enemies; not just remote viewing but other skills as well. The government as well as academic elements deliberately suppress and/or twist the facts about said phenomena, deliberately painting those that claim such abilities or who believe in them, as being a quack, wacko, out of touch with reality, etc. But then this nation was founded on hypocrisy…
There are other situations but we’ve not the time or space to address them all.
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Re: 2 Deprogramming questions for Skeptics

Postby really? » 07 Aug 2010, 20:55

Conspiracy theories are what you have when you don't have data.
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Re: 2 Deprogramming questions for Skeptics

Postby Craig Browning » 08 Aug 2010, 03:06

really? wrote:Conspiracy theories are what you have when you don't have data.


I wouldn't say that... there are far more theorists out there with some heavy duty data than you're giving credit to. Secondly, many of those that sustain any one of these theories have some rather solid backgrounds, including academia... not all of them are ignorant "trailer trash" or Hillbillies as some assume.

If anything the conspiracy theorists lack the political clout needed for being heard... kind of like whistle blowers in corporate America... and by the looks of things in the gulf... the UK as well :lol:
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Re: 2 Deprogramming questions for Skeptics

Postby brett » 13 Aug 2010, 00:36

quote :" If, for instance,the truth around UFOs/Alien visitation were made official it would generate un-due panic "

spherical objects - a LOT of people would just say "told you so" and whilst it would upset those who think the whole cosmos is empty apart from this rock ,and would have to reconsider + a few skeptics would too - they might panic - but the rest of us ?? please , Joe "public" is made of sterner stuff and can realise that unless they come with guns blazing that it cant be any worse than the c**p most of us put up with now :lol:

some of you guys been watching too many Hollywood movies :roll:

and anyways it will only happen in America - everything only happens in America - so you lot will have to deal with it or panic as you see fit - ( i know dis cos i have seen all the films about alien invasions - disasters and the like - duh.oh )

we Brits will just keep calm and carry on !! - stiff upper lip and all that chaps - what what :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

sorry cold not resist - there ARE those of us out here who are not afraid of a few aliens or the treat there of - we need to be more afraid of those humans in power that lie to us on a daily basis - VERY afraid ;)
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Re: 2 Deprogramming questions for Skeptics

Postby ProfWag » 13 Aug 2010, 01:49

brett wrote:quote :" If, for instance,the truth around UFOs/Alien visitation were made official it would generate un-due panic "

spherical objects - a LOT of people would just say "told you so" and whilst it would upset those who think the whole cosmos is empty apart from this rock ,and would have to reconsider + a few skeptics would too - they might panic - but the rest of us ?? please , Joe "public" is made of sterner stuff and can realise that unless they come with guns blazing that it cant be any worse than the c**p most of us put up with now :lol:

some of you guys been watching too many Hollywood movies :roll:

and anyways it will only happen in America - everything only happens in America - so you lot will have to deal with it or panic as you see fit - ( i know dis cos i have seen all the films about alien invasions - disasters and the like - duh.oh )

we Brits will just keep calm and carry on !! - stiff upper lip and all that chaps - what what :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

sorry cold not resist - there ARE those of us out here who are not afraid of a few aliens or the treat there of - we need to be more afraid of those humans in power that lie to us on a daily basis - VERY afraid ;)

Can you imagine the advances in technology we would have if an alien actually WAS here? It would be mind-blowing. Afraid? Not in the least. I would welcome it and wish there really were extraterrestrials.
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Re: 2 Deprogramming questions for Skeptics

Postby NinjaPuppy » 13 Aug 2010, 02:12

WELCOME BACK BRETT!!! It has been TOO long.
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Re: 2 Deprogramming questions for Skeptics

Postby brett » 13 Aug 2010, 02:44

NinjaPuppy wrote:WELCOME BACK BRETT!!! It has been TOO long.


hi ninja - hope all well with you :D - only a flying visit i am afraid - just popped in to keep the prof on his toes :lol:
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Re: 2 Deprogramming questions for Skeptics

Postby ProfWag » 13 Aug 2010, 02:52

brett wrote:
NinjaPuppy wrote:WELCOME BACK BRETT!!! It has been TOO long.


hi ninja - hope all well with you :D - only a flying visit i am afraid - just popped in to keep the prof on his toes :lol:

Heeeeyyyyyy, I resemble that remark...
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