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I was just reading the 9/11 conspiracy thread and it got me to wondering this. Why it does it seem that nearly all paranormal forums and many of the people that believe in the paranormal also will argue, take to heart what and agree with the conspiracy mongers ? What draws such persons to such cloak 'n' dagger ideas and specifically 9/11?
In a nutshell, answers to questions that don't seem to be easily answered.
Michael Shermer's book "Why People Believe Weird Things" might have some answers to your question...
I did go over to Amazon.com to read the "Introduction" and part of the first chapter as you can do that for free. Much of what is written is not easily understood by me. I got lost in the "Introduction" so I doubt I will be able to comprehend his book with the required amount of scientific terms etc. that is used in his writing.
I think I 'get' what he is trying to say however.
Hmpf. I don't remember it being too difficult to read, at least not on the level of Dean Radin's book, but I'll pull it out again tonight and have a looksy.
I asked that same question in my other threads. I'm not sure. I guess my explanation is that the paranormalists and the conspiracy world view are both outside the box, so it attracts similar types of people. They are also people who think in terms of POSSIBILITIES and have a rich imagination too. They tend to be more right brained than left, or at least are more attuned to it.
When I meet paranormalists, they tend to have such attributes, which I have as well, so I notice that they and I are similar personality types. Some live in the world of possibility. Others try to ground themselves to the practical and stick with what they know in a conservative manner that resists change.
But that doesn't mean that paranormalists live in the world of fantasy and imagination that isn't real. Some are very down to earth and sensible as well. They just like to be "ahead of their time", and defy conventional thinking. Some probably get a joy or high in challenging establishment. And sometimes, imagination does become reality.
They also tend to be independent thinkers, or at least pride themselves in it.
There definitely is a correlation between people who believe in both, the paranormal and conspiracies though, just like there is a strong correlation between the JREFers, CSICOPers and the Atheists.
“Devotion to the truth is the hallmark of morality; there is no greater, nobler, more heroic form of devotion than the act of a man who assumes the responsibility of thinking.” - Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
You given a generalist answer. I'm asking specifically what resonant's with you that 9/11is a USA government conspiracy rather than a conspiracy formulated and brought to fruition by Islamic terrorists ? You do know that one of the World Trade Center towers in New York city were bombed back in 1993 in failed attempt to cause massive destruction ?
You do know there are folks in this world that hate everything the USA is about- you do know that right ?
But if it doesn't fit into one's personal agenda, why consider those things? Truthers claim they want to find out the truth for the families, but in reality all they want to do is spread hatred and distrust towards the US Government. Sound a little familiar?
To look at things in an exceptionally simple way, human beings have an innate need for some kind of "bad guy" that creates all the world's problems, be it a devil, demons, dragons, gnomes or various secret societies... like the Vatican
Religious Fundamentalist (fanatics) seem to be able to find the devil everywhere they look EXCEPT in their own actions, thinking or existence. But then the fanatics from group A (let's call them the Baptists) will claim such evils exist "inherently" in group B (we'll call them Catholics) even though they both claim to follow the same basic premise of "spiritual" thinking... but as we all know Christianity can be made into most any sort of expression depending upon personal bias and the need to side-step the act of "knowing yourself" and "getting honest with god" ... Christians don't assume responsibility, it's all the devil's fault!
BUT (and holding to the Abrahamic theme) we can see the same contentions and finger-pointing made by the fanatics of Islam towards Judaism or Christianity et al. And contrary to the assumptions of some, Buddhism has it's multitude of fringe thinkers as well, including the rather arrogant expression it displays on the public front, of "having their shit together" and projecting a smugness about it
One of the things I've studied since high school has been religious history and how the duplicity of "the church" has been constant, especially when it comes to rhetoric and accusation. If you review the claims, charges, etc. put out by the early Protestants towards Rome you will see nearly the same words used as are today thrown towards Gays & Lesbians as well as Islam and Democrats. Between the like of Ireaneus (sp) and Caesar you will find a plethora of "stock phrases & charges" that have been superimposed on every perceived "evil" out there when the core truth is, it's just different and don't play the game by the rules the arrogant bullies want to imposed on everyone but themselves.
It all comes down to what I said in the first line here... human beings simple seek out something to blame and likewise, something to be afraid of. Just turn on your TV set and listen to all the commercial; notice how nearly every one of them exploit FEAR on some level, be it fear of aging, disease, long term suffering from an accident, identity theft... the list is extensive but the foundation is always the same... we thrive by fear.
In most instances FEAR is best defined as False Evidence Appearing Real in that 90% of what we are "seeing" or "accepting" isn't genuine fact but assumption or aspersion.
Were the NAZI's really evil?
Sure, they did some horrible things.. .some of them... most of them were forward thinking people however that were strongly patriotic, seeking to reclaim national pride. Granted, there was a racial problem... but when exactly did the racial issues and persecutions finally get outlawed here in the states? When did Human Rights come onto the forefront of the U.S./European agenda? When was American forced into accountability for what it did to the native inhabitants of this conquered land and how they've been treated for most of the past 400 or so years?
We're all hypocrites and again, we all are susceptible when it comes to finding treachery where it isn't.
I personally think conspiracy thinking is one of the highests acts of critical thinking. They challenge conventional explanations,
and force one to think outside of the box. A good conspiracy theory brings many assumptions into question.
The simplest reason conspiracies appeal is because we all know that deep down things are not as they seem. Looks deceive.
Often this presumption is right as well. Such as in the war in Iraq, we all knew from the start the real agenda in Iraq was economic
and stratgic, and not moral or about WMD. Similarly, all we know that what governments reveal publically, is not the whole picture
or real, for there are processes that go on behind the curtains we are not privy to. The involvement of rich bankers and industrialists
in formenting government policy, even in sponsoring wars is very clear. It is also very clear from history how governments can and do
create plans to enslave their own public, to control population and feed them propoganda.
What is really ironic though, as soon as a conspiracy theory is proven, it is called history. Hitler orchestrating the terrorist attack on the Reistad
building and blaming it on domestic terrorists was a conspiracy theory at the time, now it is widely reported as historical fact. Prior to the exposure
of Enron, accusing Enron of illicit practices was conspiracy, now it is historical fact.
In the future 9/11, UFO, NWO and paranormal conspiracy may well join the ranks of historical fact.
In my opinion if you do not think conspiracy, then you are not a critical thinker, and are naive and gullible.
It's one thing to consider all possibilities of a situation before forming an opinion, it's another thing all together to "think conspiracy."
Your opinion is always based on incomplete information. Therefore it is always revisable. This is why conspiracy thinking will always be there.
Some people are naive and accept what the official explanation is. A few, dare to question the official explanations. A good example is how you
accept Roswell was a weather balloon simply because officials said it was. While, us conspiracy thinkers, can see very clearly the official explanation
has massive holes in it, and dare to question it.
An intelligent man once said to me, "question everything"
Sure, that iintelligent man may have even been me as I have said that as well. I can only comment on what is written and I simply disagree that you should "think conspiracy" for every situation. Just because one questions everything doesn't mean that the ultimate answer to every situation is a conspiracy.
As for Roswell, I believe that if you look at the evidence, you will find that the Roswell conspiracy thinking that it was from another planet has a few holes in it as well. Many, many holes...
I'm sorry, but I have to refer back to a comment you made earlier:
To say that al Qaeda is a CIA creation is disgraceful and strengthens my opinion that you jump to erroneous conclusions far too quickly.
Here's an excerpt from Osama Bin Laden in an interview with Al-Jazeera television correspondent Tayseer Alouni in October 2001.
"This has nothing to do with this poor servant of God, nor with the al Qaeda organization. We are the children of an Islamic nation whose leader is Mohammed.
We have one religion, one God, one book, one prophet, one nation. Our book teaches us to be brothers of a faith. All the Muslims are brothers. The name "al Qaeda" was established a long time ago by mere chance. The late Abu Ebeida El-Banashiri established the training camps for our mujahedeen against Russia's terrorism. We used to call the training camp al Qaeda [meaning "the base" in English]. And the name stayed. We speak about the conscience of the nation; we are the sons of the nation. We brothers in Islam from the Middle East, Philippines, Malaysia, India, Pakistan and as far as Mauritania."
You have never heard of the theory that Al Qaeda is a CIA creation before?
By the way what are you trying to prove by showing me an excerpt from Osama Bin Laden on
how it was formed? That it is not a CIA creation, because he says something else lol
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