View Active Topics          Latest 100 Topics          View Your Posts          Switch to Mobile

31,000 Scientists reject Global Warming in petition

Discuss General Topics.

31,000 Scientists reject Global Warming in petition

Postby Scepcop » 12 Jun 2010, 22:39

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=64734

31,000 scientists reject 'global warming' agenda
'Mr. Gore's movie has claims no informed expert endorses'

Posted: May 19, 2008
8:51 pm Eastern

By Bob Unruh


More than 31,000 scientists across the U.S. – including more than 9,000 Ph.D.s in fields such as atmospheric science, climatology, Earth science, environment and dozens of other specialties – have signed a petition rejecting "global warming," the assumption that the human production of greenhouse gases is damaging Earth's climate.

"There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate," the petition states. "Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth."

The Petition Project actually was launched nearly 10 years ago, when the first few thousand signatures were assembled. Then, between 1999 and 2007, the list of signatures grew gradually without any special effort or campaign.

But now, a new effort has been conducted because of an "escalation of the claims of 'consensus,' release of the movie 'An Inconvenient Truth' by Mr. Al Gore, and related events," according to officials with the project.

(Story continues below)


"Mr. Gore's movie, asserting a 'consensus' and 'settled science' in agreement about human-caused global warming, conveyed the claims about human-caused global warming to ordinary movie goers and to public school children, to whom the film was widely distributed. Unfortunately, Mr. Gore's movie contains many very serious incorrect claims which no informed, honest scientist could endorse," said project spokesman and founder Art Robinson. Robinson, a research professor of chemistry, co-founded the Linus Pauling Institute of Science and Medicine with Linus Pauling in 1973, and later co-founded the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine. He also publishes the Access to Energy newsletter.

WND submitted a request to Gore's office for comment but did not get a response.

Robinson said the dire warnings about "global warming" have gone far beyond semantics or scientific discussion now to the point they are actually endangering people.

"The campaign to severely ration hydrocarbon energy technology has now been markedly expanded," he said. "In the course of this campaign, many scientifically invalid claims about impending climate emergencies are being made. Simultaneously, proposed political actions to severely reduce hydrocarbon use now threaten the prosperity of Americans and the very existence of hundreds of millions of people in poorer countries," he said.

In just the past few weeks, there have been various allegations that both shark attacks and typhoons have been sparked by "global warming."

The late Professor Frederick Seitz, the past president of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences and winner of the National Medal of Science, wrote in a letter promoting the petition, "The United States is very close to adopting an international agreement that would ration the use of energy and of technologies that depend upon coal, oil, and natural gas and some other organic compounds."

"This treaty is, in our opinion, based upon flawed ideas. Research data on climate change do not show that human use of hydrocarbons is harmful. To the contrary, there is good evidence that increased atmospheric carbon dioxide is environmentally helpful," he wrote.

Accompanying the letter sent to scientists was a 12-page summary and review of research on "global warming," officials said.

"The proposed agreement would have very negative effects upon the technology of nations throughout the world, especially those that are currently attempting to lift from poverty and provide opportunities to the over 4 billion people in technologically underdeveloped countries," Seitz wrote.

Robinson said the project targets scientists because, "It is especially important for America to hear from its citizens who have the training necessary to evaluate the relevant data and offer sound advice."

He said the "global warming agreement," written in Kyoto, Japan, in 1997, and other plans "would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind."

"Yet," he said, "the United Nations and other vocal political interests say the U.S. must enact new laws that will sharply reduce domestic energy production and raise energy prices even higher.

"The inalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness include the right of access to life-giving and life-enhancing technology. This is especially true of access to the most basic of all technologies: energy. These human rights have been extensively and wrongly abridged," he continued. "During the past two generations in the U.S., a system of high taxation, extensive regulation, and ubiquitous litigation has arisen that prevents the accumulation of sufficient capital and the exercise of sufficient freedom to build and preserve needed modern technology.

"These unfavorable political trends have severely damaged our energy production, where lack of industrial progress has left our country dependent upon foreign sources for 30 percent of the energy required to maintain our current level of prosperity," he said. "Moreover, the transfer of other U.S. industries abroad as a result of these same trends has left U.S. citizens with too few goods and services to trade for the energy that they do not produce. A huge and unsustainable trade deficit and rapidly rising energy prices have been the result.

"The necessary hydrocarbon and nuclear energy production technologies have been available to U.S. engineers for many decades. We can develop these resources without harm to people or the environment. There is absolutely no technical, resource, or environmental reason for the U.S. to be a net importer of energy. The U.S. should, in fact, be a net exporter of energy," he said.

He told WND he believes the issue has nothing to do with energy itself, but everything to do with power, control and money, which the United Nations is seeking. He accused the U.N. of violating human rights in its campaign to ban much energy research, exploration and development.

"In order to alleviate the current energy emergency and prevent future emergencies, we need to remove the governmental restrictions that have caused this problem. Fundamental human rights require that U.S. citizens and their industries be free to produce and use the low cost, abundant energy that they need. As the 31,000 signatories of this petition emphasize, environmental science supports this freedom," he said.

The Petition Project website today said there are 31,072 scientists who have signed up, and Robinson said more names continue to come in.

In terms of Ph.D. scientists alone, it already has 15 times more scientists than are seriously involved in the U.N.'s campaign to "vilify hydrocarbons," officials told WND.

"The very large number of petition signers demonstrates that, if there is a consensus among American scientists, it is in opposition to the human-caused global warming hypothesis rather than in favor of it," the organization noted.

The project was set up by a team of physicists and physical chemists who do research at several American institutions and collects signatures when donations provide the resources to mail out more letters.

"In a group of more than 30,000 people, there are many individuals with names similar or identical to other signatories, or to non-signatories – real or fictional. Opponents of the petition project sometimes use this statistical fact in efforts to discredit the project. For examples, Perry Mason and Michael Fox are scientists who have signed the petition – who happen also to have names identical to fictional or real non-scientists," the website said.

The petition is needed, supporters said, simply because Gore and others "have claimed that the 'science is settled' – that an overwhelming 'consensus' of scientists agrees with the hypothesis of human-caused global warming, with only a handful of skeptical scientists in disagreement."

The list of scientists includes 9,021 Ph.D.s, 6,961 at the master's level, 2,240 medical doctors and 12,850 carrying a bachelor of science or equivalent academic degree.

The Petition Project's website includes both a list of scientists by name as well as a list of scientists by state.
“Devotion to the truth is the hallmark of morality; there is no greater, nobler, more heroic form of devotion than the act of a man who assumes the responsibility of thinking.” - Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
User avatar
Scepcop
Site Admin
 
Posts: 3256
Joined: 16 May 2009, 07:29






Re: 31,000 Scientists reject Global Warming in petition

Postby really? » 13 Jun 2010, 22:30

Both links are non working and this article is 2 years old and not true. To all. If you watch any of the vids the first one is the one. For the other vids let the science speak for itself.

The Petition Project's website includes both a [url]list of scientists by name[/url] as well as a list of [url]scientists by state[/url].

Not Found

The requested URL /gwdatabase/Signers_By_Last_Name.php was not found on this server.
Apache/2.2.8 (Fedora) Server at http://www.petitionproject.org Port 80

Not Found



The requested URL /gwdatabase/Signers_BY_State.html was not found on this server.
Apache/2.2.8 (Fedora) Server at http://www.petitionproject.org Port 80

32000 Scientists 32,000 leading scientists signed a petition against global warming?
Is that really true?
Well, no....
But to get to the bottom of this crock , we'll have to go back in history, and meet someone who really was, at one time, a leading scientist. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py2XVILH ... re=related

greenman3610 — July 05, 2009 — Sometimes trying to squash the ignorant canards of climate deniers seems hopeless.
For every one you swat, 10 more crop up.
For instance, I still get emails from people convinced that ice in the arctic is recovering and growing.
For this video I'm going to let the scientists speak for themselves.
Polar Ice Update
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MozcU7wo ... re=related

It's so Cold, there can't be Global Warming http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDTUuckN ... re=related


Last edited by really? on 13 Jun 2010, 23:14, edited 2 times in total.
really?
 
Posts: 1009
Joined: 06 Mar 2010, 20:58

Re: 31,000 Scientists reject Global Warming in petition

Postby NinjaPuppy » 13 Jun 2010, 22:37

I had no problem with the links.
User avatar
NinjaPuppy
 
Posts: 4002
Joined: 28 Jul 2009, 20:44

Re: 31,000 Scientists reject Global Warming in petition

Postby really? » 13 Jun 2010, 23:12

NinjaPuppy wrote:I had no problem with the links.


The links at the bottom of the page are non working for me. http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=64734
really?
 
Posts: 1009
Joined: 06 Mar 2010, 20:58

Re: 31,000 Scientists reject Global Warming in petition

Postby NinjaPuppy » 13 Jun 2010, 23:23

really? wrote:
NinjaPuppy wrote:I had no problem with the links.


The links at the bottom of the page are non working for me. http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=64734

That one works fine for me too. I don't know what to tell you.
User avatar
NinjaPuppy
 
Posts: 4002
Joined: 28 Jul 2009, 20:44

Re: 31,000 Scientists reject Global Warming in petition

Postby Scepcop » 14 Jun 2010, 00:52

Listen to George Carlin's rant and debunking of global warming. It's funny and full of common sense.

“Devotion to the truth is the hallmark of morality; there is no greater, nobler, more heroic form of devotion than the act of a man who assumes the responsibility of thinking.” - Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
User avatar
Scepcop
Site Admin
 
Posts: 3256
Joined: 16 May 2009, 07:29

Re: 31,000 Scientists reject Global Warming in petition

Postby really? » 14 Jun 2010, 04:58

Scepcop wrote:Listen to George Carlin's rant and debunking of global warming. It's funny and full of common sense.



This is the best rebuttal you can find. Carlin never debunked GW all he did was express his opinion on how stupid he thinks humans are. Wu you are one funny man.
really?
 
Posts: 1009
Joined: 06 Mar 2010, 20:58

Re: 31,000 Scientists reject Global Warming in petition

Postby Nostradamus » 14 Jun 2010, 11:33

Picking a dead comedian as a support for a question of science is not the best choice. You might want to look for a better source. I think this fails the appeal to authority test.
Scimitars were not available - beware January 19, 2038 is upon us.
User avatar
Nostradamus
 
Posts: 1761
Joined: 08 Aug 2009, 14:08

Re: 31,000 Scientists reject Global Warming in petition

Postby Scepcop » 14 Jun 2010, 23:28

really? wrote:This is the best rebuttal you can find. Carlin never debunked GW all he did was express his opinion on how stupid he thinks humans are. Wu you are one funny man.


Doesn't matter who he is. What he said made a lot of sense. You skeptics certainly don't. Even if the Easter Bunny said it, it would make sense.

I already gave you a video to watch above. It proves clearly that CO2 does not cause global warming, but warming does result in higher CO2. It's a basic rule of science. So the basic simple premise of global warming is not even true. So how can there be any debate or controversy when it's so clear cut?

Also, if Al Gore had nothing to hide, why doesn't he answer critical questions or debate the many who challenge him? That is a red flag. If he had nothing to hide, he'd answer all questions put to him, like I do.

You skeptics have no people skills, no insights and no intuition. And no common sense either.
“Devotion to the truth is the hallmark of morality; there is no greater, nobler, more heroic form of devotion than the act of a man who assumes the responsibility of thinking.” - Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
User avatar
Scepcop
Site Admin
 
Posts: 3256
Joined: 16 May 2009, 07:29

Re: 31,000 Scientists reject Global Warming in petition

Postby Scepcop » 14 Jun 2010, 23:31

Nostradamus wrote:Picking a dead comedian as a support for a question of science is not the best choice. You might want to look for a better source. I think this fails the appeal to authority test.


Carlin may not be an authority on science. But he sees through BS and is great in logic and common sense. He was unprogrammable by the system that tries to tells him what to think, UNLIKE you!

At least he isn't dumb enough to have an unquestioning faith in everything the establishment tells him.
“Devotion to the truth is the hallmark of morality; there is no greater, nobler, more heroic form of devotion than the act of a man who assumes the responsibility of thinking.” - Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
User avatar
Scepcop
Site Admin
 
Posts: 3256
Joined: 16 May 2009, 07:29

Re: 31,000 Scientists reject Global Warming in petition

Postby Scepcop » 14 Jun 2010, 23:37

And don't forget that Climate Gate did result in damning emails made available that revealed fraud and collusion to deceive us. There are many articles about it. Do the research. Don't just sit there and talk out of your ass.
“Devotion to the truth is the hallmark of morality; there is no greater, nobler, more heroic form of devotion than the act of a man who assumes the responsibility of thinking.” - Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
User avatar
Scepcop
Site Admin
 
Posts: 3256
Joined: 16 May 2009, 07:29

Re: 31,000 Scientists reject Global Warming in petition

Postby really? » 15 Jun 2010, 04:08

really? wrote:This is the best rebuttal you can find. Carlin never debunked GW all he did was express his opinion on how stupid he thinks humans are. Wu you are one funny man.


Scepcop wrote:Doesn't matter who he is. What he said made a lot of sense. You skeptics certainly don't. Even if the Easter Bunny said it, it would make sense.

Yes it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter for the same reasons that it doesn't matter if Al gore speaks neither are experts in climate. Please listen to Carlin vid you think trumps any rebuttal again; he makes no mention of global warming- none.

Scepcop wrote:I already gave you a video to watch above. It proves clearly that CO2 does not cause global warming, but warming does result in higher CO2. It's a basic rule of science. So the basic simple premise of global warming is not even true. So how can there be any debate or controversy when it's so clear cut?

I did watch the Carlin video. I gave you three videos to watch and they didn't make a dent in that brain of yours. Why ? Is it because they spoke something you don't want to hear ?
There is no proof in science, but there are mountains of evidence
(Part of the How to Talk to a Global Warming Skeptic guide)

Objection: Correlation is not proof of causation. There is no proof that CO2 is the cause of current warming.

Answer: There is no "proof" in science -- that is a property of mathematics. In science, what matters is the balance of evidence, and theories that can explain that evidence. Where possible, scientists make predictions and design experiments to confirm, modify, or contradict their theories, and must modify these theories as new information comes in.

In the case of anthropogenic global warming, there is a theory (first conceived over 100 years ago) based on well-established laws of physics. It is consistent with mountains of observation and data, both contemporary and historical. It is supported by sophisticated, refined global climate models that can successfully reproduce the climate's behavior over the last century.
http://www.aip.org/history/climate/simple.htm#L_M018
http://www.grist.org/article/there-is-no-evidence/
http://www.grist.org/article/climate-mo ... -unproven/

Given the lack of any extra planet Earths and a few really large time machines, it is simply impossible to do any better than this.

Aside: It is usually interesting to ask just what observations or evidence your skeptic would consider "proof" that global warming is caused by rising CO2 levels. Don't be surprised if you get no answer!


Scepcop wrote:Also, if Al Gore had nothing to hide, why doesn't he answer critical questions or debate the many who challenge him? That is a red flag. If he had nothing to hide, he'd answer all questions put to him, like I do.
You skeptics have no people skills, no insights and no intuition. And no common sense either.


It' very funny that the only people that trot out Gore as if he's the keystone upon which the whole GW rests upon are Climate Skeptics. You and others like you think that if you could just prove him wrong GW would just wash away like a sand castle at high tide. In the grand scheme of GW he's at best a very minor player.

Scepcop wrote:answer all questions put to him, like I do.

We'll see if this is true
really?
 
Posts: 1009
Joined: 06 Mar 2010, 20:58

Re: 31,000 Scientists reject Global Warming in petition

Postby Scepcop » 17 Jun 2010, 23:59

Debunking David De Rothschild And The Global Warming Hoax

“Devotion to the truth is the hallmark of morality; there is no greater, nobler, more heroic form of devotion than the act of a man who assumes the responsibility of thinking.” - Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
User avatar
Scepcop
Site Admin
 
Posts: 3256
Joined: 16 May 2009, 07:29

Re: 31,000 Scientists reject Global Warming in petition

Postby Scepcop » 18 Jun 2010, 00:09

really? wrote:I did watch the Carlin video. I gave you three videos to watch and they didn't make a dent in that brain of yours. Why ? Is it because they spoke something you don't want to hear ?


I did watch your videos. The dweeb on them sounded gay and not like a serious intellectual or scientist. All he did was rant. He didn't give any proof. Did you watch the documentary I posted called "The Great Global Warming Swindle"? That was much more professional and factual and explained why CO2 doesn't cause global warming.

Did you watch it?

The burden of proof is on you to show that CO2 causes global warming. Btw, CO2 is natural, not a pollutant. Did you know that?!

Do you agree that we should be taxed for breathing too? lol God you're gullible.

Here is another video where an expert on global warming explains in great scientific detail why it isn't true.



“Devotion to the truth is the hallmark of morality; there is no greater, nobler, more heroic form of devotion than the act of a man who assumes the responsibility of thinking.” - Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
User avatar
Scepcop
Site Admin
 
Posts: 3256
Joined: 16 May 2009, 07:29

Re: 31,000 Scientists reject Global Warming in petition

Postby Scepcop » 18 Jun 2010, 00:11

Here is a 5 part documentary by the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, that debunks Global Warming. It is professional, unlike yours "really".

Global Warming - Doomsday Called Off (1/5)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr5O1HsTVgA
“Devotion to the truth is the hallmark of morality; there is no greater, nobler, more heroic form of devotion than the act of a man who assumes the responsibility of thinking.” - Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
User avatar
Scepcop
Site Admin
 
Posts: 3256
Joined: 16 May 2009, 07:29

Next

Return to General Discussions

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests

cron