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Re: Thought Dial Dowsing Successful against 2,187 to 1 Odds !!!!

PostPosted: 03 Mar 2010, 11:06
by Nostradamus
Any proof that this involved the paranormal?

Re: Thought Dial Dowsing Successful against 2,187 to 1 Odds !!!!

PostPosted: 03 Mar 2010, 20:59
by The Professor
Prove it's a Fraud.

Jim Callahan from the Dark Truth Radio show has offered $20,000.00 if you can do so.

So lets see the proof!

It's an easy 20 Grand if you can ... But I know you can't!!!!!!

Re: Thought Dial Dowsing Successful against 2,187 to 1 Odds !!!!

PostPosted: 03 Mar 2010, 21:33
by Nostradamus
You have not answered our questions. That to me is sufficient proof that your odds claim is a fraud.

Answer the simple questions.

Re: Thought Dial Dowsing Successful against 2,187 to 1 Odds !!!!

PostPosted: 03 Mar 2010, 21:51
by ProfWag
Too bad Dave didn't come on here prior to the Super Bowl so we could all follow along. Perhaps it's legit, but knowing that over the past couple Super Bowls when he made predictions on YouTube, he taped several versions in advance and then deleted the ones that weren't accurate so I'm fairly confident there was nothing paranormal going on here as well. Just as Jimbo is willing to give $20,000 to prove that it wasn't, I'll give Dave Koenig $1,000 if he can prove his thought dial "success" was the result of parapsychological precognition though. (Sorry, but my pockets aren't as deep as others)

Re: Thought Dial Dowsing Successful against 2,187 to 1 Odds !!!!

PostPosted: 03 Mar 2010, 22:34
by ciscop
if dave hates something more than skepticism (and rationality and intelligence)
is EXPOSURE

ProfWag... you just kicked dave in the balls revealing his method for the pasts superbowls

the funny part is
his method was obvious to everybody on the cafe
we were just laughing at him
and he doesnt seem to realize that...
so... transparent..
:lol:

Re: Thought Dial Dowsing Successful against 2,187 to 1 Odds !!!!

PostPosted: 03 Mar 2010, 22:36
by ciscop
The Professor wrote:Prove it's a Fraud.

Jim Callahan from the Dark Truth Radio show has offered $20,000.00 if you can do so.

So lets see the proof!

It's an easy 20 Grand if you can ... But I know you can't!!!!!!


what jim?
the guy that is doing balloon routines and doesnt mention raymond?
that guy?

Re: Thought Dial Dowsing Successful against 2,187 to 1 Odds !!!!

PostPosted: 03 Mar 2010, 22:44
by ProfWag
ciscop wrote:
ProfWag... you just kicked dave in the balls revealing his method for the pasts superbowls


:lol:

Oops, probably shouldn't have revealed any secrets. Sorry Dave. I'd go back and delete that if I knew how...
And I wouldn't even thought about writing it if he hadn't said: "This experiment was part of The Divination Project which experiments with all forms of Paranormal methods.
It has nothing to do with Magic or Mentalism. (Although the owner of a Magic shop did volunteer)"
This insinuates that what he did was in no way meant to be for entertainment purposes, but instead it is my perception that he was making a fraudulent attempt to convince people to believe in the paranormal.

Re: Thought Dial Dowsing Successful against 2,187 to 1 Odds !!!!

PostPosted: 04 Mar 2010, 00:15
by NinjaPuppy
Am I going to have to take down this entire topic???

Re: Thought Dial Dowsing Successful against 2,187 to 1 Odds !!!!

PostPosted: 04 Mar 2010, 00:41
by ProfWag
NinjaPuppy wrote:Am I going to have to take down this entire topic???

If you feel it necessary Ninja. Don't know why you'd want to take it down as I think it's still on-topic and I haven't seen anyone calling someone else nasty names using profanity-laced, derogatory words, but hey, you're the moderator and we must all respect your opinion in that role...

Re: Thought Dial Dowsing Successful against 2,187 to 1 Odds !!!!

PostPosted: 04 Mar 2010, 00:56
by Nostradamus
Of course not NJ.

The problem is that someone has posted a claim. That claim has some serious flaws. The first is the math. Professor kindly admits he doesn't understand math. He asks for assistance. All well done.

The problem is that because he does not understand the math he incorrectly assumes that the answer he was given matches his claim. We all know from his posts that he does not understand odds.

To verify what is being claimed by the Professor we asked for simple statements that would corroborate his math claims such as what was the question posed to the math guy? We saw the answer, but not the question. The math answer uses words that the Professor does not understand. I asked questions that would show us whether or not his protocol matches the requirements of the math answer.

So the Professor apparently knowing he has screwed up goes into blow hard mode. He could have answered a few questions, but he chose not to. He chose to hide the facts that would be likely to have decided the issues. That makes everyone think FRAUD!

What he did wrong is not something I'm planning to tell him since he has chosen to dig in his heels and refuse to answer questions. What a fraud does is they elicit enough information to adjust their fraud to state, after the fact, that that is what they did when told what they needed to do.

For example, if I asked if they wore tin foil hats and did shots of homeopathic vodka while running around naked with Michael Schermer's photo glued to their backside he would probably agree and then adjust his protocol to reflect proper scientific protocol. You know what I mean despite my farcical example.

My guess is that the mistakes he made reduced the odds to 50-50, or as has been suggested here he reduced the odds of failure to 0.

Re: Thought Dial Dowsing Successful against 2,187 to 1 Odds !!!!

PostPosted: 04 Mar 2010, 02:30
by The Professor
ProfWag wrote:Too bad Dave didn't come on here prior to the Super Bowl so we could all follow along. Perhaps it's legit, but knowing that over the past couple Super Bowls when he made predictions on YouTube, he taped several versions in advance and then deleted the ones that weren't accurate so I'm fairly confident there was nothing paranormal going on here as well. Just as Jimbo is willing to give $20,000 to prove that it wasn't, I'll give Dave Koenig $1,000 if he can prove his thought dial "success" was the result of parapsychological precognition though. (Sorry, but my pockets aren't as deep as others)


Since you all have failed in your attempts to prove me wrong (And you've all missed out on $20,000.00) you want to give me a $1,000.00 ... That's fantastic !!!!

I'll take the money!!!!!

It is also the Pseudo-Skeptics MO to try to get these threads eliminated. So they call names and attack as above.
I, on the other hand, will present the truth and only the truth!

Being a successful mentalist does not disqualify me from doing Paranormal Experiments in Divination. That's basically what this area is for.

When an experiment comes out with these kinds of overwhelming odds of probability ..Everyone should know!

The odds may be 2,186 to 1 rather than 2,187 to 1 ... I'll give you that much :) My Bad :)

Re: Thought Dial Dowsing Successful against 2,187 to 1 Odds !!!!

PostPosted: 04 Mar 2010, 02:44
by NinjaPuppy
Am I going to have to take down this entire topic???

I wasn't making a threat, I was making a joke. Man you guys can be so serious sometimes. :lol:

Re: Thought Dial Dowsing Successful against 2,187 to 1 Odds !!!!

PostPosted: 04 Mar 2010, 03:02
by ProfWag
The Professor wrote:
ProfWag wrote:Too bad Dave didn't come on here prior to the Super Bowl so we could all follow along. Perhaps it's legit, but knowing that over the past couple Super Bowls when he made predictions on YouTube, he taped several versions in advance and then deleted the ones that weren't accurate so I'm fairly confident there was nothing paranormal going on here as well. Just as Jimbo is willing to give $20,000 to prove that it wasn't, I'll give Dave Koenig $1,000 if he can prove his thought dial "success" was the result of parapsychological precognition though. (Sorry, but my pockets aren't as deep as others)


Since you all have failed in your attempts to prove me wrong (And you've all missed out on $20,000.00) you want to give me a $1,000.00 ... That's fantastic !!!!

I'll take the money!!!!!

It is also the Pseudo-Skeptics MO to try to get these threads eliminated. So they call names and attack as above.
I, on the other hand, will present the truth and only the truth!

Being a successful mentalist does not disqualify me from doing Paranormal Experiments in Divination. That's basically what this area is for.

When an experiment comes out with these kinds of overwhelming odds of probability ..Everyone should know!

The odds may be 2,186 to 1 rather than 2,187 to 1 ... I'll give you that much :) My Bad :)

Great! You can have the money! Just as soon as you prove what you did was the result of parapsychological precognition. I'll be waiting. Also, you mentioned in your post that we "Pseudo-Skeptics" result to name calling and attack. First, I don't believe I attacked you in my e-mail, but perhaps one on the receiving end could feel that way. As for name calling, I called you Dave Koenig. Do you consider that rude? I have a hard time calling you the Professor since, well, coming from a professor, I'm not too hip on giving that credential to someone who is not (except for the great Dai Vernon, but that's a different story...)

Re: Thought Dial Dowsing Successful against 2,187 to 1 Odds !!!!

PostPosted: 04 Mar 2010, 09:28
by The Professor
ciscop wrote:some guys
just cant be magicians
they gotta push and claim they are more
the sad part, is must of them are unskilled nor talented enought to be a magician

an overweight hawaian t-shirt guy that smells like vodka
hahahaha hardly a psychic..


Well Wagg .. Looks like name calling to me!
But you said it didn't happen......
Guess you aren't telling the Truth are you?

The JREFer MO is obvious.

The Experiment is 100% and the Pseudo-Skeptics can't stand it.

Re: Thought Dial Dowsing Successful against 2,187 to 1 Odds !!!!

PostPosted: 04 Mar 2010, 09:58
by ciscop
i never said it was you!! read back my post!

are you saying you are an overweight hawaiian t-shirt guy that smells like vodka?

i know many oveweight magicians that pretend to be psychic than smell like vodka
(not a hawaian t-shirt, thats kind of bad taste)

by the way, well done at the café
you finally got booted!! :lol: i guess tom cutts couldnt spot you on that one right?