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Amityville: Horror or Hoax? (documentaries)

Postby Scepcop » 31 Jan 2013, 21:19

Documentaries about the very scary and fascinating unexplained true story of the Amityville Horror. Lots of evidence on both sides of the debate are presented.

History Channel - Amityville: Horror or Hoax?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NKZ5NH_Rig

History Channel - Amityville: The Haunting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yokfaCubtM

The Real Amityville Horror Story:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOQadoeQims

Amityville on In Search Of
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vl3iS8rpZKs

Amityville Horror Defeo Murders Documentary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwTMhgWG18g
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Re: Amityville: Horror or Hoax? (documentaries)

Postby NinjaPuppy » 01 Feb 2013, 04:58

First and foremost, the "horror" in the story, "The Amityville Horror" was Ron DeFeo shooting his entire family as they slept and not the so called problems that the Lutz's claimed to experience which is what the book was based on.

Back in the early 90s, I took a stroll to the "Amityville Horror" house while attending a party a few doors down. I got no creepy vibes at all while standing in the front yard gawking. Not one iota of 'evil' even knowing the one undeniable fact....that 6 people were killed there. What I didn't feel comfortable with was the lagoon (water) behind all of the houses on Ocean Ave.
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Re: Amityville: Horror or Hoax? (documentaries)

Postby Scepcop » 01 Feb 2013, 05:02

NinjaPuppy wrote:First and foremost, the "horror" in the story, "The Amityville Horror" was Ron DeFeo shooting his entire family as they slept and not the so called problems that the Lutz's claimed to experience which is what the book was based on.

Back in the early 90s, I took a stroll to the "Amityville Horror" house while attending a party a few doors down. I got no creepy vibes at all while standing in the front yard gawking. Not one iota of 'evil' even knowing the one undeniable fact....that 6 people were killed there. What I didn't feel comfortable with was the lagoon (water) behind all of the houses on Ocean Ave.


Yeah but he was allegedly possessed by a demon. Why else would a person shoot their whole family? And why didn't the gunshots wake up anyone in the house or neighborhood? That part was strange and unexplained.

If you watch the documentaries above, you will see that there is some evidence that the story is a hoax, but there is a lot of evidence that it was real too. There's evidence on both sides of the debate. That's what makes it unexplained. lol

A priest who went to bless the house heard a demonic voice telling him to get out and felt a slap on his face too. Some people did experience something there.

Why didn't you feel comfortable with the lake behind the house?

Whoever owns this house right now is a fool though. With so many people trying to visit the famous Amityville home in NY and gawking around outside of it, if the current owners turned it into a bed and breakfast and/or museum, it would be wildly successful and rake in tons of profit. They'd be a fool not to. Many people would pay a lot of money to stay there.
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Re: Amityville: Horror or Hoax? (documentaries)

Postby Scepcop » 01 Feb 2013, 05:07

Here is the full movie "Amityville Horror II: The Possession" on YouTube. It's about the possession of Ron DeFeo and how he shot his whole family.

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Re: Amityville: Horror or Hoax? (documentaries)

Postby NinjaPuppy » 01 Feb 2013, 05:27

Scepcop wrote:Yeah but he was allegedly possessed by a demon. Why else would a person shoot their whole family?

DeFeo was also known for doing major drugs. Not to mention that the family was more than a tad dysfunctional with a father known for physical violence with the wife and kids. Here's a quote from an article:
But what exactly did happen? The only indisputable fact is that in 1974 Ronald DeFeo, then 23, shot and killed his parents and four siblings in their sleep. For a time DeFeo claimed he was urged on by voices, but he recanted that story in a 2002 Primetime Live interview, saying that his parents were abusive and that he committed the murders while drunk and high on heroin.


Scepcop wrote:And why didn't the gunshots wake up anyone in the house or neighborhood? That part was strange and unexplained.

I recall watching a show that entertained the theory that one of his sisters was in on the murder plot but I can recall what they said about her keeping the others quiet during the initial shooting.

Scepcop wrote:If you watch the documentaries above, you will see that there is some evidence that the story is a hoax, but there is a lot of evidence that it was real too. There's evidence on both sides of the debate. That's what makes it unexplained. lol

I've seen a ton of Amityville documentaries and I've even spoken to some of the neighbors. The Lutzes stayed for less than a month and even they have recanted some of the hype from the actual book.

Scepcop wrote:A priest who went to bless the house heard a demonic voice telling him to get out and felt a slap on his face too.

The priest who made this claim was supposedly a Lutz family friend. Also, house blessings in the Catholic religion are not just for demonic invasions. It's an old custom.

Scepcop wrote:Some people did experience something there.

Some people experience a lot of things for no reason at all other than the power of suggestion.

Scepcop wrote:Why didn't you feel comfortable with the lake behind the house?

Just a vibe.

Scepcop wrote:Whoever owns this house right now is a fool though. With so many people trying to visit the famous Amityville home in NY and gawking around outside of it, if the current owners turned it into a bed and breakfast and/or museum, it would be wildly successful and rake in tons of profit. They'd be a fool not to. Many people would pay a lot of money to stay there.

It's a residential neighborhood with probably strict zoning laws and some VERY uptight residents. They'd never get a proper B&B license. Besides, the family living there now has never had a problem and probably got the house for a song.
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Re: Amityville: Horror or Hoax? (documentaries)

Postby Scepcop » 03 Feb 2013, 00:42

Ninjapuppy,
Wow I didn't know you were so well read about Amityville. You seem to know more than what the documentaries tell you. All I know is what the documentaries tell me. How do you know so much about this case? You probably knew about it even before I ever heard of it.
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Re: Amityville: Horror or Hoax? (documentaries)

Postby NinjaPuppy » 03 Feb 2013, 20:04

Scepcop wrote:Ninjapuppy,
Wow I didn't know you were so well read about Amityville. You seem to know more than what the documentaries tell you. All I know is what the documentaries tell me. How do you know so much about this case? You probably knew about it even before I ever heard of it.

Because I knew people who lived a few houses away and spoke with the neighbors who knew (of) the DeFeo family.

I've also spent time chatting with people who personally knew/know Ed and Lorraine Warren. I was more than a bit skeptical of Lorraine's claimed abilities because of this particular case. It was the story that made a real name for them in the demonic/psychic arena. Lorraine gets highly spoken of by anyone who has actually worked with her. The woman knows her stuff.
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Re: Amityville: Horror or Hoax? (documentaries)

Postby SydneyPSIder » 03 Feb 2013, 21:12

Scepcop wrote:A priest who went to bless the house heard a demonic voice telling him to get out and felt a slap on his face too. Some people did experience something there.

That is possible with just a regular old ghost hanging around -- or a poltergeist-y high energy one at least.

Didn't the author admit they made the whole story up one evening around the table with their lawyer because they were desperate for money?

One doco I saw showed that the dramatisation in the film was not true, e.g. a large circular window is blown in in the film, there is such a window in the house, but it's obvious by the age of the frame and the old putty holding it in place that it has never been disturbed.

Interesting about the water, NP, there are whole towns in Australia where Aboriginal massacres took place 100-200 years ago which have a really bad vibe. Lots of things can cause it. Could be an old Indian site, especially being on water.
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Re: Amityville: Horror or Hoax? (documentaries)

Postby Scepcop » 04 Feb 2013, 14:48

SydneyPSIder wrote:Didn't the author admit they made the whole story up one evening around the table with their lawyer because they were desperate for money?


Not exactly. The author of the book, Jay Anson, said he didn't care if it was true or not. He just wanted to make the money. But that's according to someone who talked to him. He did not make that statement publicly.

The lawyer of the DeFeo's, Weber, was supposed to be the original author of the book. But when the Lutz family learned that Ron DeFeo, the murderer of his family, would benefit from the proceeds of the book, they decided not to have him be the author. Weber later said that the whole story was a hoax, but he may have been sour that he didn't get the deal.

There do seem to be discrepancies of the story, which has changed a lot. For example, the Lutz family claims that the boy's arm was injured when the window closed on it, so they had to take him to the hospital. However, investigators found no records at the hospital of the incident. So the Lutz family then said "Oh well. I guess we didn't take him to the hospital then". It's as if every time something in their story is proven false, they simply change it. That is highly suspicious.

Also, on camera, George Lutz does not look very sincere. He acts as though he's trying to maintain his composure. Any of you notice that?

What do the children of the Lutz family say? Do they still maintain the story today? Have they made any public statements about it?

Ninjapuppy, even if the priest were a family friend, why would he lie for them or make up a story about hearing a demonic voice and being slapped by it? What would he gain from it? Wouldn't it be against a priest's morals to lie, especially with no motive?
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Re: Amityville: Horror or Hoax? (documentaries)

Postby Scepcop » 05 Feb 2013, 17:54

2005 remake of The Amityville Horror. Really scary!

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Re: Amityville: Horror or Hoax? (documentaries)

Postby SydneyPSIder » 05 Feb 2013, 20:31

there was a case at a local psychiatric hospital of a haunting where staff were actually shoved invisibly etc. it's no big deal. it doesn't a horror story make, or imply anything demonic.
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Re: Amityville: Horror or Hoax? (documentaries)

Postby drastikmeazures » 06 Feb 2013, 21:16

I've always found this story compelling, wasn't there something in the amittyville 2 movie implying an incestual relationship between the killer and his sister? It's been a long time since I've watched that one, so I could be mistaken, I wonder if that was added by Hollywood or not.
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Re: Amityville: Horror or Hoax? (documentaries)

Postby Scepcop » 08 Feb 2013, 01:23

drastikmeazures wrote:I've always found this story compelling, wasn't there something in the amittyville 2 movie implying an incestual relationship between the killer and his sister? It's been a long time since I've watched that one, so I could be mistaken, I wonder if that was added by Hollywood or not.


Yes they did sleep together in the Amityville 2 movie. But that was just a suspicion.
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Re: Amityville: Horror or Hoax? (documentaries)

Postby NinjaPuppy » 19 Feb 2013, 00:31

Scepcop wrote:What do the children of the Lutz family say? Do they still maintain the story today? Have they made any public statements about it?

Yes, one of the kids did an interview, you'll find it here: http://www.examiner.com/article/christo ... lle-horror

Scepcop wrote:Ninjapuppy, even if the priest were a family friend, why would he lie for them or make up a story about hearing a demonic voice and being slapped by it? What would he gain from it? Wouldn't it be against a priest's morals to lie, especially with no motive?

Oh baby! Thanks for the laugh... Against a priest's morals? You mean to tell me that priests HAVE morals??? :lol: I'm sure that some of them do but with many, telling a lie would be really low on the food chain of "what not to do". :roll:

As far as what he would gain from it, I'd start the speculation with 'notoriety' or the usual 15 minutes of fame among his peers. If you want to keep on speculating, there's always a nice fat donation made to his parish or even a possible promotion to exorcism specialist in the church.

On the flip side, he may have very well heard a voice and felt something that could be described as a slap but who's to say it was anything demonic? If you think about it, we hear things all the time that we can't understand or pinpoint the source. We usually ignore mundane noise like a stomach growling or things that we are conditioned to hearing all the time like if you live near a train station. As for the slap, we get involuntary muscle contractions all the time. Like when you get an annoying twitch in your eyelid or a charlie horse cramp in your leg. Those sort of things are considered personal experiences and while they need to be considered in the big picture, they are not exactly evidence of anything paranormal on their own.
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Re: Amityville: Horror or Hoax? (documentaries)

Postby Scepcop » 30 Jul 2013, 18:12

Ninjapuppy,
Check out this interview with George Lutz on Art Bell. He sounds very sincere. How can that be if he's a hoaxster?

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