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Churches need to talk about demonic spirits

Postby Nostradamus » 09 Mar 2010, 14:08

From http://www.christiantoday.com/article/the.church.needs.to.talk.about.demonic.spirits.says.megachurch.pastor/25444.htm
The church needs to talk about demonic spirits, says megachurch pastor

In the 20-plus years he has known Christ, Brady Boyd has never been to a megachurch where demonic spirits was discussed.

Boyd, who is currently senior pastor at New Life Church in Colorado Springs, considers it a "big, big, big" topic that needs to be talked about.


It is suggested that demonic influences can come from TV. It may sound like Jesus talk, but is it? This must have been tough on the congregation because next week:
This upcoming Sunday, Boyd will be covering the gift of tongues. He assured the congregation, "It will be completely weird-free".
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Re: Churches need to talk about demonic spirits

Postby Craig Browning » 09 Mar 2010, 20:51

The New Life Church is a very dangerous cult-mind element... I believe I have referenced them in my blog on MySpace a few months back.
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Re: Churches need to talk about demonic spirits

Postby Nostradamus » 09 Mar 2010, 21:32

I got a kick out of the first quote. The qualifier in the sentence was inspiring. It does not say that churches do not talk about demonic spirits. It says that this person never heard about demonic spirits in a mega-church. This guy needs to attend a smaller church.

The other great quote from the article is that the guy promises not to be weird next week.
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Re: Churches need to talk about demonic spirits

Postby ciscop » 10 Mar 2010, 00:10

those megachurches ... are just incredible
have you seen them on tv?
there is this pastor... a smily young man
he talks and talks but is more motivational than religion based..
oh man..
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Re: Churches need to talk about demonic spirits

Postby Nostradamus » 10 Mar 2010, 10:20

I recall seeing one of the churches when I was a kid. I was duped for a while by some claims about creationism and proteins. Fortunately, I went to a good school system and had the chance to find out what was happening.
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Re: Churches need to talk about demonic spirits

Postby Twain Shakespeare » 30 Jul 2010, 15:44

Fear of demons was one of the major factors in my becoming a Xian. I concluded by the time I was twenty, on my first try at believing xianity, (except for the unbelievable bs about Jesus loving me), that demons were real, since I had experiences that were explained by the hypothesis. Most specifically, I am an anorexic, and have “heard demons” saying I did not deserve to eat (but I am taking my meds now) so when I abondoned Xianity, I kept the belief in demons, eventually coming to believe YHWH was a real member of this class of beings, a malevolent demiurge I called Der Teufal im Himmel (The Deva in Heaven).
I am agnostic on the subject now. I certainly don't believe everything my voices tell me. But if the megachurches aren't talking about demons, perhaps we could.
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Re: Churches need to talk about demonic spirits

Postby Craig Browning » 31 Jul 2010, 00:23

Twain Shakespeare wrote:Fear of demons was one of the major factors in my becoming a Xian. I concluded by the time I was twenty, on my first try at believing xianity, (except for the unbelievable bs about Jesus loving me), that demons were real, since I had experiences that were explained by the hypothesis. Most specifically, I am an anorexic, and have “heard demons” saying I did not deserve to eat (but I am taking my meds now) so when I abondoned Xianity, I kept the belief in demons, eventually coming to believe YHWH was a real member of this class of beings, a malevolent demiurge I called Der Teufal im Himmel (The Deva in Heaven).
I am agnostic on the subject now. I certainly don't believe everything my voices tell me. But if the megachurches aren't talking about demons, perhaps we could.


"Demons" come in all forms, sizes & shapes and NONE OF THEM are akin to what churchianity and fanatics try to get us to envision and fear.

Almost 30 years ago now, I had to confront the demon Cocaine and his cousin Speed... I won! 6 years ago I kicked Nicotine's butt and thanks to medical science I've got a fair grip on Depression & Anxiety though I'm still working on the Agoraphobia... it's a new monster trying to rule my life and I don't like it! Then again, there is that other demon that's really done a number on me... FAT... since loosing the ability to do the walking, hiking and bike riding I did for years, I've packed on 60 lbs and really started to age in ways I am disgusted by.

Demons are typically vices and negative habits (including thought patterns) we get ourselves into. Understanding how to thwart those negatives at the psychological and emotional level is the only way to exorcise them...expunge them from your life. Ironically, the Exorcism rituals of old actually have mechanisms in them that kindof-sortof do this, which is why they were successful. But then human beings have always found benefit via ritual. Unfortunately, certain demons are far more physical and manifest in the form of disease, something our more remote ancestors couldn't understand or explain and thus, epileptics and others who endured various seizures, were seen as being "possessed", as were those born with physical maladies or contorted in later life as the result of various ails... the list is quite extensive... but let me put on my other pair of shoes now... ;)

As someone that believes in the things that go bump in the night I can support the idea of "Possession" as well as "Haunting" and I'll go so far as to say that there might be a case for "elementals"... those strange little entities we can create via magickle rite as well as intense, personal emotion and directed will. I believe it was author Donald Michael Kraig that offered some very interesting observations on this issue in his book "Modern Magick" (an introduction to Kabalistic Magick). I think P.I. Bonewitz echos said thoughts in "Real Magic", which just happened to be his college thesis back in the early 70s.

I can't embrace the Hollywoodized idea of Demons, which is quite close to how the human imagination has molded and defined them. In fact, the most evil and nasty demons I've even encountered tend to wear nice Italian suits and host a myriad of degrees from top rated schools hanging on an office wall somewhere. The very sort of "demon" we find description of in eastern occultism; a human being that has become possessed by the self, seeking personal glories and reward while turning their back upon humanity itself; viewing their fellow sentient as being things available to use in their personal quest and otherwise expendable.

If you were to consider this as fact, it's no wonder so many evangelists think we've already gone to hell in a hand-basket. One would be hard-pressed to not find a materialistically focused, ladder climbing individuals over the age of 10 in this modern society in which most of us reside... but go outside our world into what we deem "3rd world" cultures in which cutting edge communications is akin to (maybe) 1960s era telephone, if that... there you will find lives far closer to the benevolent and soul-focused ways we're supposed to be living. That's not saying that we must become primitive in order to expell the demon within us, just set more defined and realistic priorities. After all, we don't "need" that 42" plasma screen or even the latest i-whatever Gates and the boys decide to over-price and screw you with.

Previously I equated a few of my personal demons as issues of addiction. Take a look at your addiction when it comes to such nifty gadgets and how your "wants" step on the issue of actual "need". when the 'want" factor supersedes the legitimate "need" element priorities go askew and "the demon wins". The demons gain triumph in our lives every time we do things in order to either keep up or out do "the Jones's" for the very same reason... and sadly, few of us seem capable of ignoring said demon. If we aren't living down to its demands we torture ourselves because we don't have this or that... we compare ourselves to everyone one else and then punish ourselves because we don't measure up.

NEWS FLASH... this is the influence the mega demon known as MARKETER has on us. When we don't live according to the standard he lays out before us... especially when we can't render for out off-spring the kind of life-style MARKETER demands, we become frustrated, pained and even tearful.

:twisted: so welcome to hell :twisted: A society rife with demons and on so many levels, it's a demon eat demon realm.

Yes, there are "entities" (for lack of a better term) that can create mischief, but in the more macrocosmic sphere of things, there are bigger baddies out there that have no "super-natural" essence about them, they're just evil by nature; selfish, self-serving and predatory. Chances are you're related to one or two :twisted:
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Re: Churches need to talk about demonic spirits

Postby NinjaPuppy » 31 Jul 2010, 18:38

Excellent post Craig.
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Re: Churches need to talk about demonic spirits

Postby Twain Shakespeare » 06 Aug 2010, 17:47

Puter probs keep this short. Thanks for response, Craig.
1. "Demons" is good shorthand for these mental maladies of the phobic or sociopathic sort, including. as I look at it, religion itself, at least my own voices of der Tuefal and GI Jesus, but only "liberal" ministers would agree with you among prots.
2. You also mentioned "possession" and "haunting", more traditional xian ideas of demonic activity, esp the former. I would accept, for argumnt, that description of the nature of traditional xian demons as "elemental"
3. A third is what I will call "kami" from the japanese word for spirit or "soul". "Kami" of human sociopaths become demons if they are strong enough, according to their shamanistic schema.
I am willing to discuss any of the above as well as 4 and 5, hypotheses I haven't mentioned and/or even thought of.
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Re: Churches need to talk about demonic spirits

Postby Craig Browning » 06 Aug 2010, 22:06

Twain Shakespeare wrote:Puter probs keep this short. Thanks for response, Craig.
1. "Demons" is good shorthand for these mental maladies of the phobic or sociopathic sort, including. as I look at it, religion itself, at least my own voices of der Tuefal and GI Jesus, but only "liberal" ministers would agree with you among prots.
2. You also mentioned "possession" and "haunting", more traditional xian ideas of demonic activity, esp the former. I would accept, for argumnt, that description of the nature of traditional xian demons as "elemental"
3. A third is what I will call "kami" from the japanese word for spirit or "soul". "Kami" of human sociopaths become demons if they are strong enough, according to their shamanistic schema.
I am willing to discuss any of the above as well as 4 and 5, hypotheses I haven't mentioned and/or even thought of.


I've said it before... please stop TRYING to write as if you're channeling Shakespeare (or Clemens for that matter). Not only do you torture the Queen's English, you make it quite difficult for the common human being to understand wtf you're trying to say (at least, without burning some brain cells).

I've worked many a Ren Faire so I do understand older English and even speak it... well, more of an Irish mix... but damn man, at least people understand me.

So PLEASE... translate the above for those of us that speak early 21st century English... or even Americanized English (which would be the preferred)... especially if you want folks to COMMUNICATE with you on the topics; Communication can't happen when people speak different languages... or are you to "pseudo-intelligent" to get that?
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Re: Churches need to talk about demonic spirits

Postby Paradox » 03 Jan 2011, 11:56

Mega religions + mega churches= mega lies usually associated with a particular political propaganda. I swore to myself before joining Scepcop that I would avoid quoting the Bible. Religion is a manmade tool that actually opposes spiritual enlightment. If anyone is a believer I would suggest reading about Howard Storm's near death experience for I believe he gives the most accurate description of 'hell'. Those deformed figures he saw that looked demonic were at one time humans that physically walked the earth. Mind seems to have immense power in the etheric universes. A physically beautiful person on earth who was evil will have that evil show itself in physical form in the 'afterlife' realms. This is one verse from my King James Authorized Version Bible that probally holds more truth than any other and probally was inspired by God: Matthew 7:12 "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you." It really does seem you reap what you sow according to the universal law of cause and effect. I think we are our own devils.
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Re: Churches need to talk about demonic spirits

Postby Craig Browning » 04 Jan 2011, 02:52

Matthew 7:12 is just one version of a wisdom teaching that can be found in the majority of world philosophies/religions INCLUDING believe it or not, SATANISM. (I love telling Christians that one... and the fact that LeVey would literally catch flies and physically set them free outside of the house... he was very respectful of all life and not the maniac some think "Satanists" are... or as his Daughter and Ex-Wife encourage).

There is a wonderful little book I found many years ago, if I remember right the title was "Golden Threads", it was filled with every known version of this "Golden Rule" everyone credits the bible for, many of them penned centuries before Jesus was even a thought in his mother's mind... I'll not refer to his father in that no one knows for sure who that was. . . :lol:
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Re: Churches need to talk about demonic spirits

Postby Paradox » 05 Jan 2011, 11:46

I still believe the darker realms aka hell and evil spirits/entities aka demons do really exist. Perhaps certain parts of each religion (Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc) have elements to them that are true. I still try not to take any certain religion literally however. Hell seems to be real and it is a very very horrible place. The entities that reside there seem to be extremely evil as well. I'm going by several individuals near death recollections that wern't the typical 'pleasant' ndes we so often hear about. Why some people go to these dark realms and why some don't I do not know. Some of the people who had hellish ndes didn't even seem like they were that bad of people. I'm not sure. Maybe we aren't meant to understand everything. The truth of the Universe, whatever this 'truth' is is most likely more stranger and fascinating than any science fiction novel or religious myth.
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Re: Churches need to talk about demonic spirits

Postby Craig Browning » 08 Jan 2011, 05:46

Hate to burst your bubble there, but "Hell" has known a handful of definitions, each based on perspective with but a hint of them steeped in religious or theological ideology.

The Shaman, Seers, Priests, etc. from throughout the Mediterranean region all sent their neophyte pledges into Hades; a volcanic vent that was quite literally hot as "hell", smelled of sulfur, and which gave off noxious fumes that would cause one to hallucinate... kind of like what happens after taking the peyote and getting into a Sweat Lodge; same exact shamanic ritual just that one was a deep "cave" the other is a tent, long building, wigwam, etc.

HELL -- In many religious traditions, Hell is a place of suffering and punishment in the afterlife. Religions with a linear divine history often depict Hell as endless. Religions with a cyclic history often depict Hell as an intermediary period between incarnations. Typically these traditions located Hell under the external core of the Earth's surface and often included entrances to Hell from the land of the living. Other afterlife destinations included Heaven, Purgatory, Paradise, Nirvana, Naraka, and Limbo.

Other traditions, which did not conceive of the afterlife as a place of punishment or reward, merely described it as an abode of the dead—a neutral place located under the surface of Earth (for example, see Sheol and Hades).

Modern understandings of Hell often depict it abstractly, as a state of loss rather than as fiery torture literally underground, but this view of hell can, in fact, be traced back into the ancient and medieval periods as well.[citation needed]

Hell is often portrayed as populated with demons, who torment the damned. Many are ruled by a death god, such as Nergal, Hades, Yama or the Christian/Islamic Devil, called Satan or Lucifer. {See Wiki -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell}


The modern-day churchianity idea of Hell comes from Zoroastrianism; one of the first major cults to rise up in the "holy lands" with a one way ticket to heaven or hell teaching that was adopted by the Orthodoxy (Rome) in the latter/mid-6th century AFTER, expelling the original message of Reincarnation... not that Rome would ever modify anything in the scriptures that gets taught. . . :roll:

HELL is the loss of personal peace/serenity, nothing other. That includes the aforementioned spirit quest scenarios that are deliberately designed to aid the student in confronting his/her own (psychological) demons. It is likewise the greater truth when a soldier facing the terrors of combat, KNOWS he's in hell. . . a very extreme, uncomfortable and humbling place in which one "finds himself" (there are no atheists in fox holes).

Yes, there are "unseen forces" some of which are semi-intelligent and at least one such entity I know of, was quite dangerous; BUT, the only devils or demons I've ever encountered in the whole of my life... my decades working around churches, as a Psychic/Healer & Dowser and doing ghost hunts... IVE NEVER ENCOUNTERED AN ACTUAL DEMON or anything that was of "purest evil" that was not 100% HUMAN; mankind is the most frightening creature that ever walked upon the face of the earth, bar none!
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Re: Churches need to talk about demonic spirits

Postby NinjaPuppy » 08 Jan 2011, 20:38

Great post Craig.
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