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Re: Witches

Postby NinjaPuppy » 20 Aug 2009, 23:01

brett wrote:ciscop opined :people talk all the time about ghosts, but not about channeling... channeling is only reserved for the guys that practice mediumship like sylvia browne and rosemary althea.

actually quite a few genuine psychics do it - but its only the glory merchants that write books and crave publicity we tend to hear about :x - what you have to remember is that many with psychic ability don't want to be in the lime light and just use their gift without publicity - or any thought of materialistic rewards

trouble is that people tend to base their take on "psychics" ( mediums ) on what they hear /read of the so called big names ( whose books i have read and are mainly full of the proverbial IMO ) - or worse the TV ghost hunting "psychicks " :roll: :roll:

as always - look for the motive !! - in many cases this is self aggrandisement and money ( usual story ) :roll: the genuine variety use what ability they have for the benefit of others with no thought of material reward ;)


Yes. Again going back to my personal take that once you take money or 'money as a motivator' enters the equation, the so called ability becomes fuddled. Not that a person can't have what would be considered psychic ability and earn a living at it with success in both areas. I'm sure there are some out there that have very good balance with this but I would not be one of them and I would be more skeptical as to their motives.
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Re: Witches

Postby ciscop » 22 Aug 2009, 09:00

i have never understood that stuff
(about the money...)..
i do believe alleged ¨psychics¨ have an awesome power of observation and i know they throw a bunch of statements until they hit one, as a magician i hanged around with a lot of them, i think they are honest people (a lot of the ones i met) , they do believe in what they do, for me is just educated guesses.

so.. a quick story
my mother went to a witch doctor (to call it something)..
and to this day she swears that the moment she step into the room
the doctor said.. you are bad of heart
(which was true, my mother had a small stroke at that time and had a heart operation).

the thing is.. this guy didnt take money
but there was a bowl full of donations and the minimum bill was like 50 dollars
also.. the witch dr. recommended a bunch of natural remedies that they sell next door to his house.. (same house?)
i remember he recomended natural honey...
and yes

my mom did ok and is way better
but thats because she got an operation, i doubt honey or coldreading had anything to do with her health
but well...
more on this later.. is WEEKEND!
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Re: Witches

Postby brett » 22 Aug 2009, 11:30

glad your mom did OK ciscop - that's good news :D - don't get me wrong here if someone HAS a genuine ability ( rare as hens teeth IMO) and has no other means of earning a crust , then it would be churlish of me to deny them that - as you said the guy had a donations bowl - and if individuals considered his help ( or hers as the case may be ) worthy of recompense - then fair dos

but you and i know there are lots of fakes out there who use their "supposed "abilities to rake it in , either by charging for readings , appearing on TV , writing endless books etc -THESE are the people I rail against - they are conning people - and using the field for materialistic ends -( like wise those who use it to promote their own EGO ) - i have coined the term "PAYCHIC'S " to describe them

and THESE are the people who pollute the field so much that the proper study of claims is becoming nigh impossible ( IMO )

likewise i get pissed at all the " wannabies " who read a few books or watch a couple of episodes of ghost hunters etc and then set them selves up as the next best thing to ,well whatever - they are full of the proverbial - and i have met quite a few - about as "psychic " as my right knee ( which can predict rain BTW :lol: :lol: or is that the arthritis in it ?? ) :?

hope that gos some way to explaining my thinking /attitude to the money issue ??
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Re: Witches

Postby NinjaPuppy » 22 Aug 2009, 21:12

Ciscop gives a very good example of how money may cloud judgement in anything paranormal or for that fact, just a good deed.

I agree with his statement about some so called psychics having excellent observation skills. Excellent observation skills can be considered a talent or 'gift' if the skeptics can accept that terminology and a good place to start when discussing psychics. I would also think that 'observation skills' would also be the first thing used by a cold reader to get their so called talents verified.

Brett explains it very well-
Brett -...but you and i know there are lots of fakes out there who use their "supposed "abilities to rake it in , either by charging for readings , appearing on TV , writing endless books etc -THESE are the people I rail against - they are conning people - and using the field for materialistic ends -( like wise those who use it to promote their own EGO ) - i have coined the term "PAYCHIC'S " to describe them

I have run into more than a few people who have gone to assorted phoney psychics who specifically make their living by giving people bad news. Let's look at this scam business for a moment. It doesn't matter what sort of shingle they put out... psychic, card reader, palm reader, witch, fortune teller etc. they obviously are touting some sort of so called paranormal ability, to the public. The information given may be rather accurate and downright good for a cold reading as they go. Then the scammer will begin the scam with some sort of negative prediction and observe the customer's reaction. One of the more common ones around here is "someone has put a curse on you" (Yes, people can be THAT gullible") and then the scammer will spring into action. Depending on the information collected, the true artistry to separate a person from their money, comes in with the 'cure'. They set the hook into the fish and they start reeling them in.

Can someone actually put a 'curse' on someone? Definitely! OK, all you skeptics, you can stop laughing now. Allow me to give you an analogy to explain this statement.

A Witch, VooDoo Priestess, etc. can certainly go through the motions and methods of putting a curse on someone. So yes, it can be done.

The same Witch, VooDoo'er etc. can also go through the motions and methods of suing someone over something non-existant. So yes, that can be done as well.

Does it mean that either situation will be successful? Not really. However, in many legal threats, will the outcome can create hardship, money loss and phychological stress? Yes. You may still have to address the situation, hire a lawyer, miss work, pay for this abomination and still wonder if this whacko will be convincing enough to convince a judge. Will something like this ever get to court? Probably not, but you still wind up being put in a rather precarious position temporarily.

It's the same psychological series of events when a believer hears about a curse. Neither of these scenarios have validity to them but they both are excellent ways of creating psychological stress. The curse is successful and becomes a real threat when it manifests in the persons mind. It becomes real.
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Re: Witches

Postby Don » 06 Sep 2009, 07:00

ciscop wrote:uuh.. i just dont believe in pointy hat witches


That "pointy hat" was a very popular style. On Halloween, "princess" costumes still have them, albeit usually with a veil and without a brim. So why wouldn't Witches be in style?

with a black cat


Cats were very popular for keeping down vermin. When authorities determined that cats were bad and killed them, the result was the Black Plague that destroyed half of the Western world's population.

that use cauldrons

The cauldron was, and still is, used for cooking all over the world. Why wouldn't Witches have something to cook in?

and fly on brooms


Analyses of formulas used by accused Witches of the "Witch's Ointment" include psychoactive substances that could have induced the belief that such things occurred. In fact, at least one authority blames the claims of Witchcraft in Massachusetts on decayed rye. The result was ergot poisoning. Ergot is similar to LSD.

also i dont believe in some versions of it that i have found in southern mexico, guatemala and peru that make love potions,

Well, that's up to you. Of course that's not a scientific analysis, is it?

¨make a cleaning¨ with an egg and sell candles to purify the soul...

Again, that's up to you. On the other hand, maybe your soul needs a bit of purification! :)

[quote[about the ghost thing.. well. maybe people dont understand the world channeling or refuse to believe in it, who knows.[/quote]

That's called a "limiting belief." People often fall victim to their own limiting beliefs. Sometimes they think they can't go outside or do better in school or do a better job and limit themselves to failure, all do to their own limiting beliefs. Perhaps you should get some help for that?

i just think is a step further.. seeing a ghost.. well a lot of people have a story.. but channeling a ghost.. how many people you know not fascinated by this topic that have a story about that?.[/quote}

Actually, I've spoken, in person, to thousands of such people. Most do not have such a personal experience (but wish they did!).

people talk all the time about ghosts, but not about chanelling... chanelling is only reserverd for the guys that practice mediumship like sylvia browne and rosemary althea.

Depends upon the people you hang with.
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Re: Witches

Postby NinjaPuppy » 06 Sep 2009, 19:16

Don wrote:people talk all the time about ghosts, but not about chanelling... chanelling is only reserverd for the guys that practice mediumship like sylvia browne and rosemary althea.


I had forgotten all about Rosemary Altea. I have a book or two of hers around here somewhere. As I recall they were a good read. I should put them in my stack for evening reading. With the days getting shorter I will have more evening 'down time'. Thanks for reminding me about Rosemary.
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Re: Witches

Postby Scepcop » 08 Nov 2009, 22:00

brett wrote:

couple of American ?? ones - not overly impressed with these - sensationalised somewhat








Brett, two of your videos above didn't show up, because you have to remove the "&feature=related" part at the end of the URL to embed them properly here. I went ahead and fixed it in your original post on the first page.

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Re: Witches

Postby brett » 09 Nov 2009, 14:17

oh right thanks - i am no that "oh-fey" with posting videos etc - in fact it was only 12 months ago or so i got my head round "copy and paste " :lol: :lol: :lol:

technology especially computer tech baffles me at times - guess i am getting old :roll: - mind you i could never get a video to record on timer either with out fouling it up :lol: - ( i prefer things that one can fix using a big hammer and a bent spanner )

anyways appreciated :D :D
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