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Christian Missionary Deconverted by Tribe

Postby Scepcop » 09 Nov 2011, 08:05

A fascinating story of a Christian Missionary deconverted by a tribe in Brazil.



Based on the book "Don't Sleep, There are Snakes". Here it is on Amazon.com:

http://www.amazon.com/Dont-Sleep-There- ... 274&sr=8-1

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A riveting account of the astonishing experiences and discoveries made by linguist Daniel Everett while he lived with the Pirahã, a small tribe of Amazonian Indians in central Brazil. Daniel Everett arrived among the Pirahã with his wife and three young children hoping to convert the tribe to Christianity. Everett quickly became obsessed with their language and its cultural and linguistic implications. The Pirahã have no counting system, no fixed terms for color, no concept of war, and no personal property. Everett was so impressed with their peaceful way of life that he eventually lost faith in the God he'd hoped to introduce to them, and instead devoted his life to the science of linguistics. Part passionate memoir, part scientific exploration, Everett's life-changing tale is riveting look into the nature of language, thought, and life itself.
“Devotion to the truth is the hallmark of morality; there is no greater, nobler, more heroic form of devotion than the act of a man who assumes the responsibility of thinking.” - Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
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Re: Christian Missionary Deconverted by Tribe

Postby ProfWag » 09 Nov 2011, 09:59

Could I take a quick poll, please?

How many of you watch youtube videos posted by Scepcop?

None or very rarely of them
Some of them
About half of them
Most of them
Almost or all of them

Let me start--none or very, very rarely...
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Re: Christian Missionary Deconverted by Tribe

Postby Arouet » 10 Nov 2011, 01:38

Guess I'd have to go with some of them...
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Re: Christian Missionary Deconverted by Tribe

Postby NinjaPuppy » 10 Nov 2011, 06:50

ProfWag wrote:Could I take a quick poll, please?

How many of you watch youtube videos posted by Scepcop?

None or very rarely of them
Some of them
About half of them
Most of them
Almost or all of them


A: All of the above.

If it's something that I know something about or want to learn more about, I will watch. If I have no interest in the particular subject matter, then there's a very slight chance unless of course I'm looking for something to do. My whims vary by season.
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Re: Christian Missionary Deconverted by Tribe

Postby Craig Browning » 11 Nov 2011, 04:49

Yea. . . I used to but after the first month of seeing the same tripe over and over and over and over. . . well, I became disgusted at my self for thinking I might have something in common with Winston (who invited me to this forum) and though we share some points of view on a small handful of items, I can't help be find myself concerned for his mental health and wellness given this obsession with quackery vs. the "real" world. I don't know if it's just an extension of adolescent contrariness or if he's become so dismayed by the world that he really believes in such questionable ideologies as a way to escape "Life" and deal with tangible in the now type reality.

AS TO THE CONVERSION THINGY. . . firstly, you can't "deconvert" someone, you can just help them see things differently and question their beliefs. Surprisingly (yea, right) most Christians that are put into a saturation type environment, especially of this sort, will grow away from the bias views and ideas they've been told to buy into. Not all "convert" to a new theology but most will alter the philosophical manner by which they view and live their lives, which frequently means not participating in church related rituals, politics, etc. One of the biggest problems faced by the Puritan overlords when populating North America was the number of people who were denouncing the pious ways of the church and embracing the more benevolent ways of living WITH the land as the natives did. This is one reason why so many christian factions fought to pass laws forbidding natives of observing their native faith, speak their native tongue, etc. Ironically, in this land in which Freedom of Religion is so loudly boasted, it wasn't until the mid-1980s that the Native Peoples could legally re-embrace the ways of their ancestors and escape the brainwashing antics of Priests.

This is a very old tale and the day we finally segregate the church from politics, allowing genuine religious freedom, we might actually catch a glimpse of Utopia.
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Re: Christian Missionary Deconverted by Tribe

Postby Scepcop » 12 Nov 2011, 01:53

ProfWag, if you don't like my topics, then don't read them. Your cheesy attacks are unnecessary and petty. It is not constructive to just ridicule everything I post. And not logical either.
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Re: Christian Missionary Deconverted by Tribe

Postby ProfWag » 12 Nov 2011, 05:16

Scepcop wrote:ProfWag, if you don't like my topics, then don't read them. Your cheesy attacks are unnecessary and petty. It is not constructive to just ridicule everything I post. And not logical either.

Oh, sorry 'bout that. I didn't mean to come across cheesy. I actually was curious, however, if anyone actually watched the videos you post because if no one did, I thought I could help save you a lot of time by just not posting. But, as you said, if I don't like your topic then I don't read (watch) them. However, when I don't watch them, you criticize me for being for the "establishment," so I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't. "Ohhhhhhh the humanity!!!!!!" (Hindenburg, right?)
Further, if you don't care if I watch one of your videos or not, why do you pm me personaly, essentially trying to change my personal belief about something (that you just assume) just because you watched a fictional movie? Sorry, don't get that either.
By the way, have you ever gone back and read some of the posts you have said about me? I can summarize them for you if you'd like. It's not like you haven't been extremely rude to me from early on...
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Re: Christian Missionary Deconverted by Tribe

Postby Nostradamus » 12 Nov 2011, 23:14

I have a long standing position in forums - I do not waste my time watching videos. Videos contain so little information compared to the written word. A 20 minute video hardly ever contains more than 3 minutes of reading material. Usually there is a 1 to 10 ratio with a 20 minute video containing less than 2 minutes of reading material.

Videos are passive and require no thinking. In fact, I propose that they turn off the brain. If the material is written there is a greater likelihood that people will do a search on some of the terms or phrases.

I did not watch the video in this thread. I did read the written material from Amazon.

Scepcop's personal contribution appears to be the 1 line introduction.

My question is: Scepcop do you think this is an unusual occurrence or do you think that other missionaries have been converted. No one was deconverted here. Someone was converted and it was not the people that were visited by an outsider.
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Re: Christian Missionary Deconverted by Tribe

Postby Craig Browning » 13 Nov 2011, 00:54

Actually, video has its place in that some people absorb information better on the visual & audio level than they do by wrote; I've endured such complications in my earlier years, before we have special studies about Dyslexia and ADD/ADHD -- that old school age where those that were so plagued had to develop their own techniques around the problems vs. drugs, drugs, drugs and, if you're lucky, a bit of steady counseling. Today I think the combination of media is where the real key is to be found, especially when you take people to the hands-on phase of things and help them to absorb details by doing the work and literally "seeing" what is what; this is something I still find preference to though I do have a found passion for books (at least 5-6 monthly and NOT dime store novels).
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