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23 minutes in hell by Bill Wiese.

Postby Paradox » 01 Feb 2011, 07:42

I wasn't sure which category to put this question under. I was browsing at Bill Wiese book "23 minutes in hell" while waiting to get my oil changed at Wal-Mart today after work. I didn't read the whole book but I read enough of it to realize it was full of literal Bible jargon such as the brimestone and fire hell, ghouls, demons, screaming (tormented souls) before Jesus apparantely took him out of hell. I also noticed that Bill Wiese didn't have a real near death experience but was whisked out of his body (his soul) and some force took him immediately to hell while he was sleeping. Apparantely Wiese ended up there because he was not a believer in Jesus being the Saviour and ONLY way to heaven. Jesus also told him 'I'm coming soon'!

Did anyone here read this book? I would prefer psi believers to weigh in on this one since psi believers tend to have varied beliefs amongst themselves. What do some of you paranormal researchers think about Bill Wiese experience in hell (allegedly)? Christian scare tactic or a real near death experience? I've read enough about ndes to know that there are other factors besides being near death that can trigger these experiences. I was wondering the same thing about Mary K Baxter's 'Divine Revelation' book where she was apparentely whisked to hell during her sleep as well. Some differences compared to Wiese but still very similar in the religious dogma.

Nightmares, real experiences in hell or deliberate fraud? Either way the types of hells described by these two (Wiese & Baxter) seem much more different than many other hellish ndes such as Howard Storm, Ian McCormick and many others where they described a dark cold hell full of bad souls with ghoulish appearences even though Storm was told that they used to be humans who walked the earth at one time. Sceptics can still post their own opinions here. I'm somewhat sceptical here myself of some of these alleged ndes.
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Re: 23 minutes in hell by Bill Wiese.

Postby ProfWag » 01 Feb 2011, 21:41

Since you only want "psi believers" weighing in, I'm afraid I can't give an opinion. You'll only get one side of a story though and that doesn't do much for a solid debate. Perhaps you should reconsider allowing non "psi-believers" weigh in so maybe you'd get a chance to see alternate possibilities? Just sayin'...
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Re: 23 minutes in hell by Bill Wiese.

Postby Paradox » 02 Feb 2011, 12:36

ProfWag wrote:Since you only want "psi believers" weighing in, I'm afraid I can't give an opinion. You'll only get one side of a story though and that doesn't do much for a solid debate. Perhaps you should reconsider allowing non "psi-believers" weigh in so maybe you'd get a chance to see alternate possibilities? Just sayin'...


I hope you didn't take that personal. I did say in the bottom paragraph that sceptics could give their opinions (asking questions isn't my strong point). My thinking here is the answer from most sceptics would be obvious here, either a bad nightmare, deliberate fraud or both. Personally I believe Wiese is a fraud myself so maybe I'm being a hypocrite here. I just thought if people who believe near death experiences are real spiritual experiences that I could get a more varied opinion here. You can still post Prof Wag.
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Re: 23 minutes in hell by Bill Wiese.

Postby ProfWag » 02 Feb 2011, 18:26

Paradox wrote:
ProfWag wrote:Since you only want "psi believers" weighing in, I'm afraid I can't give an opinion. You'll only get one side of a story though and that doesn't do much for a solid debate. Perhaps you should reconsider allowing non "psi-believers" weigh in so maybe you'd get a chance to see alternate possibilities? Just sayin'...


I hope you didn't take that personal. I did say in the bottom paragraph that sceptics could give their opinions (asking questions isn't my strong point). My thinking here is the answer from most sceptics would be obvious here, either a bad nightmare, deliberate fraud or both. Personally I believe Wiese is a fraud myself so maybe I'm being a hypocrite here. I just thought if people who believe near death experiences are real spiritual experiences that I could get a more varied opinion here. You can still post Prof Wag.

Gee, thanks. I'd never heard of he book, but a comment on wikipedia that says he described billions of people screaming in torment was "annoying." Cracked me up. Personally, the title "23 Minutes in Hell" sounds an awful lot like "90 Minutes in Heaven," by Don Piper. Could they both be money monger, Christan hypocrites? Well, let's just say I did read "90 Minutes in Heaven" and I'm still an Atheist.
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Re: 23 minutes in hell by Bill Wiese.

Postby The Warrigal » 02 Feb 2011, 19:29

Never heard of this book or it's author. However, based on the description of this screed, I think it's a load of bullshit myself.
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Re: 23 minutes in hell by Bill Wiese.

Postby derrida » 03 Feb 2011, 14:05

The Warrigal wrote:Never heard of this book or it's author. However, based on the description of this screed, I think it's a load of bullshit myself.


you skeptics are full of BS

why cant somebody on their sleep cant spend 23 EXACT minutes on hell??
we all know how easy it is to keep count of the exact minutes while sleeping!.. we all sleep with a timer dont we?
and we press time when we sleep and time up when we wake up.. dont we??

george carlin and me will miss you in heaven
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Re: 23 minutes in hell by Bill Wiese.

Postby Paradox » 03 Feb 2011, 15:57

The Warrigal wrote:Never heard of this book or it's author. However, based on the description of this screed, I think it's a load of bullshit myself.


Here is the full story (pretty much without purchasing the book) about Bill Wiese 23 minutes in hell--spoooooky. :evil: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 666093503#

Here is Mary K Baxter's 'experience' in her 'human shaped' hell--spooookier. :twisted: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHfVDPHHedI
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