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Did Jesus Christ go to India?

Postby Scepcop » 20 Oct 2010, 02:11

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Re: Did Jesus Christ learn Buddhism?

Postby Scepcop » 20 Oct 2010, 02:13

CNN's Rick Sanchez discusses the differences between the two faiths with a Buddhist scholar.

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Re: Did Jesus Christ learn Buddhism?

Postby Craig Browning » 20 Oct 2010, 03:56

Actually, there is a lot of documentation that supports this along side documentation of his living out his life (from roughly 40 years old forward) in the Kashmir Valley of India where his (Issa) tomb still stands... :roll: if they haven't bombed it yet...

The Vatican has worked very hard to keep such information suppressed but there are Monasteries that have valid documentation of Jesus studying with them as well as records in Briton in which Joseph of Aramethea brought his nephew Jesus to study with the Druids for a season while he tended to his business in the Tin mining world.

Why the Druids? One would ask

Anthropologists have discovered many strong similarities between the religious practices of the early period Druids with the Ancient Jewish people; traditions that would have been common to those of Noah's era. Add to this two important things; the Druids have had a very long history that says they came from a place that the waters had consumed. Many New Age dreamers want to say "Atlantis" but the bible may actually have the answer;

According to the Flood Story in the Bible, one of Noah's sons headed north and west of where the ark had landed to start a colony... While few doubt that the original inhabitants of the British Isles were established by said son of Noah, there is reason to believe it plausible that he made it into Germany where some of the earliest Druids are known to have existed; migrating out from there both, into the British Islands as well as back down and along the Mediterranean, where they became better known as the "Essene"... or so the story goes... a plausible story, nonetheless.


:oops: CONFESSION: I'd gotten a few things wrong above because it had been so long since reading the book mentioned early in the BBC show, but I think the general idea is pretty much on mark. ;)
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Re: Did Jesus Christ learn Buddhism?

Postby Scepcop » 23 Oct 2010, 16:56

Where can I find out more about this Issa?

Craig, how come you're so open minded about the official story of Jesus being wrong, but when it comes to Elvis still being alive, you're not? lol

How did Jesus' followers come to claim that he died on the cross and rose from the dead, if he didn't? Wouldn't someone have found out?
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Re: Did Jesus Christ learn Buddhism?

Postby Craig Browning » 24 Oct 2010, 00:57

Scepcop wrote:Where can I find out more about this Issa?

Craig, how come you're so open minded about the official story of Jesus being wrong, but when it comes to Elvis still being alive, you're not? lol

How did Jesus' followers come to claim that he died on the cross and rose from the dead, if he didn't? Wouldn't someone have found out?


Elvis wasn't out doing miracles, teaching love, condemning the priesthood for being hypocrites, etc. Nor did he die a martyr... just a fat drug driven slob that couldn't get on with his life.

JC has known a 2,000 year PR campaign (just love those Jewish lawyer & personal managers) as well as a tremendous amount of research & development. A blind man could readily see (if he chose) all of the flaws within the scriptures themselves, how the time lines don't jive let alone the lineage records. There is likewise volumes of legitimate historic record in which we find infighting and ugly politics within the auspices of the early church; from the 3rd to mid-6th century a campaign of "adjusting" the gospels was well under way and that campaign has been well documented though it was likewise kept beneath a nearby rug where only the persistent seemed able to discover it... slowly.

We know for fact, that countless bishops, missionaries and even popes were driven by greed, conquest and influence over the crown and even at that, several monarchs saw to the premature deaths of certain cardinals and popes, just so they could have their own puppet in position for the sake of person advantage.

I could go point by point when it comes to the corruption within the church/orthodoxy and admittedly, I have a major prejudice because of the various acts of genocide waged by the Roman Army in the name of their newly invented God (which is far, far from anything described in Hebrew tradition). The multiple modes of prejudice it's justified by way of scriptures "they" rewrote and learned how to cleverly manipulate (something Jesus himself warned people of).

Spiritually I've had a very eclectic adventures that's included everything from Wicca & Druidism to initiation into Native American paths in shamanism. Slowly I've transmuted my views to a "Gnostic" mode with things and as such, view good ole JC as being nothing more than a great teacher of morality and wisdom, just as Lord Buddha was, Mithras, Dionysus, Osiris and the list goes on... a multitude of tales in which miracles, virgin births, martyrdom & resurrection are each a primary part of "the truth" The Gnostic purview allows me to recognize how it is all the same thing -- many paths leading to the same destination, and it IS NOT some kind of mystical miraculous thing in which the Saints get Raptured and Satan takes rule of things, etc. Besides that, I know a hell of a lot of "Christians" that would be left out of the deal should that event ever occur... Given his rebel nature JC will probably show up on a Harley and invite those that are true to the spirit of Christ... the idea of self-integrity and being good to your fellows, NOT being able to quote scripture and incite hatred by hiding behind the holy suppository.

JC was just a man, one of several dozen other "Messiahs" and Miracle Workers from the region of the biblical tale... some of whom predate him by a few centuries. You can learn to understand this recurring theme by learning about the psychology of ritual and symbolism; individuals born of a virgin were a dime a dozen in the Holy Lands. Memory serving, there are well over 560 known deities/sun gods/messiahs & heroes that fit this single element in the JC story from the time of the Babylonian dynasty well into the latter 5th century c.e. The concept is exceptionally wide spread and readily found in the Americas, throughout the African & European as well as Asian continents. The only explanation being that it hosts very special psychological import in the minds of the believer. Same goes when it comes to great works, repeating the same basic wisdom ideas found in other cultures as well as chief rituals like the "cakes & ale" or "Communion" and observation of the Martyrdom, burial & resurrection with the promise to return.

Pardon my rambling, I'm running a fever and not too clear today, but I hope I've made some sense. But as to your question about Issa, this is the primary book they mention in the video

http://reluctant-messenger.com/issa.htm It's a fairly thin book, you can probably read it in a day.
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Re: Did Jesus Christ learn Buddhism?

Postby NinjaPuppy » 27 Oct 2010, 18:34

<clapping wildly> YOU GO CRAIG! Excellent explanation!
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Re: Did Jesus Christ learn Buddhism?

Postby derrida » 27 Oct 2010, 23:13

I readed many books about what craig said
that jesus never died in the cross.. he lived and died in cachemira
so yeah..it is likely that he learned buddhism
there´s documents about it.. they call him by another name.. which i dont recall.
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Re: Did Jesus Christ learn Buddhism?

Postby Js1981 » 07 Jul 2011, 22:58

Based in discussion with a theologist historian:

- there isn't proof of a Jesus at all actually, there were several Jesus named people that time and that was very common name, jewish and Roman registry documents,
- the title Christ was adopted by many Greek politicians and it means ' the chosen one'
- the documents they found are Paul' Letters and John's gospel.
The gospel Vatican has is dated for year 160 and it is older than other writers, it is possible on data than John never met other writers,
- all gospels are written in Greek even tho the language in Palestina was arameic,
- only Paul is checkable historical figure, there is a list of Roman lawyers and judges but no record of Pontious at any point,
- no records of town mentioned in any of jewish, roman and greek data till year 200 even tho that data existed before,
- all other cults belived in prohets, virgins giving births etc,
- vatican today acknowladges Jesus being a gospel character not a historical figure anymore, comparing gospels all writers were merely poets not even aware of their own times,
- herod died as a general as documented as well as Catholic Church proven to exist few hundred years before suppose times of jesus,


That is comming from a new age Catholic Historian with a degree.
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Re: Did Jesus Christ learn Buddhism?

Postby Craig Browning » 08 Jul 2011, 23:32

Based in discussion with a theologist historian:

- there isn't proof of a at all actually, there were several Jesus named people that time and that was very common name, jewish and Roman registry documents,
- the title Christ was adopted by many Greek politicians and it means ' the chosen one'
- the documents they found are Paul' Letters and John's gospel.


Kind of right. . . in truth there were many that claimed to be a “Messiah” (the messiah) residing in the region at the same time as JC, some calling themselves the returned Elijah in that ancient Jewish tradition actually supported the whole idea of reincarnation. Amongst this collection as well as that of older and even newer cult-form (within a century or two of when JC is said to have lived) we find that the early scribes, priests and founding fathers of what Christianity became, were all stitched together into one entity who most of the world knows as Jesus the Christ; this includes the superimposing of certain miracles and supernatural feats that were associated with both, the Deities (and their off-spring) and related Rites, which is where we find support in the current Jesus is Osiris/ Dionysus concept. Then again, just from the 400 years surrounding his supposed time of life, we can find over 100 “Sun-Gods” (a.k.a. Sons of God) that were born of a virgin, taught love, did miracles, were martyrs that rose from the grave, ascended into the heavens and promised to return. . . if we stretch that into the middle-ages we find that Merlin (yea, that guy) made similar claims and was credited with similar traits. . . then again, we see this in the personage of most “Saints” that were so claimed between the 5th and 18th centuries c.e.

Yes, the term “Christ” or “Cristos” is translated from the Greek but that is likewise a translation that connects to certain Buddhist ideologies pertaining to those that reach “Buddhahood” – True Enlightenment & Self-Knowing. The suggestion of anthropologists, historians, etc. is that this good little Jewish boy (the main entity that most of the Jesus tale is tied to – Yoshua bar Josephus) traveled with his uncle, a trader and owner of tin mines (a.k.a. Joseph of Arimathea) and would attend schools of wisdom from all over Europe and parts of Asian (India in particular). . . and I will mention that my sources on this point come from many different researchers and have absolutely no ties to the propositions brought out by Elizabeth Claire Prophet & the Church Universal Triumphant (a very dangerous cult group)

The gospel Vatican has is dated for year 160 and it is older than other writers, it is possible on data than John never met other writers,
- all gospels are written in Greek even tho the language in Palestina was arameic,
- only Paul is checkable historical figure, there is a list of Roman lawyers and judges but no record of Pontious at any point,
- no records of town mentioned in any of jewish, roman and greek data till year 200 even tho that data existed before,
- all other cults belived in prohets, virgins giving births etc,


Again, close but no banana. . . while much of what has become “Christianity” would be more correctly referred to as “Paulism” there are parchments that offer 2nd & 3rd hand perspectives that are known to have been copies of far older documents. The oldest “known” gospel is that of Mark when it comes to what is believed as being a “true & complete” Gospel with the other 3 chief gospels being essentially a book report on Mark with a sprinkling of perspective taken from a theorized text called “Q” which seems to be a second common thread to the opening New Testament books, many scholars theorizing that Q is the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas given certain parallels found in it that match the translation styles. Problem is the Gospel of Thomas doesn’t support the political agenda shared by the early church fathers when it came to empire & institution building let alone the act of robbing women of their formerly known positions of authority within religious tradition. . . something they’d have to correct in latter generations through the auspices of Mary the Mother and in some quarters, the “Black Madonna” a.k.a. Mary Magdalene (this includes the absorption of the still dominant Isis cults from throughout Europe, which remained significant well into the 6th century c.e.)

As to the Gospel of Thomas however, it was one of the major Gnostic teachings and was thus, condemned by Irenaeus and latter given an official axe of censorship as the official canon was being compiled (which, by the way, has never been finalized) The bias offered through Irenaeus and the fact that so many in the early church feared said authoritarian (he was known to have a hot temperament along with strong economic & political advantages through family, which is quite common to most upper-level members of the “orthodoxy”. . . what became the Vatican seats of authority) the end result is that nearly every work condemned by Irenaeus was deliberately left out of the scriptures (though some passages may be been edited into the other Gospels & Texts at a later time) and later destroyed by church edict, which makes it almost impossible to piece together a more authentic understanding of the Jesus story let alone his teachings.

- vatican today acknowladges Jesus being a gospel character not a historical figure anymore, comparing gospels all writers were merely poets not even aware of their own times,
- herod died as a general as documented as well as Catholic Church proven to exist few hundred years before suppose times of jesus,

That is comming from a new age Catholic Historian with a degree.


Well for starters I trust little that comes directly from Vatican allied historians simply because the institution has over 1,700 years of lies, deceit and general inhumanity to answer for, let alone the blatant theft of national as well as temple treasures and setting the human intellectual revolution back by over 300 years during the Dark Ages and related iron-hand grip on society (not to mention physical military conquests)

As I understand it, the actions being taken by the Vatican (started by John Paul) was to re-evaluate the Gospels so as to gain a more clarified sense of understanding that is more accurate to history. This includes a deep study of the Gnostic texts with hope of better assembling the “puzzle” that is Jesus alongside church history; the goal is to “reinvent” the church based more on logic and even science vs. folklore and supposition. John-Paul even encouraged a look at Evolution and how it may actually echo itself within the context of scripture; all of this coming about a few years prior to his death, while making the “apologetic tour” where he gave church apology for past atrocities and “sins against other nations, cultures & peoples”. It was a very bold, very daring act that more or less defied established church tradition & “business as usual” practice. While I’m not a huge fan of the new pope, I am glad to see him furthering John-Paul’s “mission”

There’s more than one Herod in the Bible for starters and too, the confusion of time-lines is one reason why John-Paul initiated the scholar program noted above; the Bible IS NOT historically accurate on any level and because it is so “new” when it comes to sacred teachings, over 90% of what is found within it stems from far older traditions, wisdom teachings and related parables. The “Doctrine” handed down via Paul and early church founders leans far closer to the teachings of Zoroaster than anything that seems to have a more direct link to the words of Jesus (which do have a strong Buddhist sense of perspective); the biggest indicator of this point is the one-way-ticket to Heaven or Hell, which was not part of the original tradition in which reincarnation was a part (well into the latter 6th century c.e.)

I do find it interesting though, how so much of what you are stating here, comes from a Nat. Geo documentary I saw a few years ago. . .

Oh yea! When it comes to degrees, I was given a life-Achievement Doctorates via Pierce College in 1986 with emphasis on my understanding of religious history and metaphysical (Hermetic) doctrine, so I’m not exactly coming at this unarmed.
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Re: Did Jesus Christ learn Buddhism?

Postby Js1981 » 09 Jul 2011, 03:05

I am not arguing. I am merely stating that the whole thread is hypothetical at best.

I was born in a Catholic country where Roman Catholicism takes place at every school.
Priest study to become teachers to be allowed to do so.
One of the first things thought is that traditionaly whole morale of the Bible comes from the church not from individual interpretation. History teaches the right point of view of writers and comparing Bible teachings with modern events doesn't make sense, a priest should know what the writer meant back then.
Yes, I am Polish and John Paul's work concluded that they are absolutely not sure if Jesus was historical.
If he was based on supposly mentioning him in any writings there still is a possibility that the date would vary for about 150yrs.
We have Catholic Universities and I suppose the teaching program is available to check.

I am absolutely convinced that your knowledge is much greater than mine. I merely quoted what I was told by a Catholic Priest with a History diploma. As you writely said his knowledge can't be treated as a perfect source as we experienced Vatical manipulations over years.
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Re: Did Jesus Christ learn Buddhism?

Postby Craig Browning » 09 Jul 2011, 22:59

You mention the time discrepancy when it comes to the life-time of JC himself and I do know where that comes from; partly due to very poor interpretations as well as lost records from the 1st - 5th centuries c.e. and similarly, the fact that so much was recopied and passed on over the generations, each scribe inserting a bit of their own pov, and thus a series of "voids" as well as disagreement in texts comes about. A lot of this stems from the overly zealous scribe trying to amplify the greatness and surreal essence tied around the main subject, be it Jesus, Hercules or even Gandolf the White.

In the case of a Jewish Messiah, we have an individual (Simon bar Kokhba) that not only pre-dates JC but fits far more of the ancient Hebrew Prophecies when it comes to the description of the future Messiah than Jesus does/did. Yet both seem to be missing one well over-looked factor, his name is supposed to be Emmanuel according to scripture and not one of the entities that stand in the running for this position, have that name and likewise meet more than half of the requisites outlined in the older Apocryphal texts of the Jews. Even in the instance of Jesus, the name was deliberately altered by Roman authorities (most likely Constantine) so as to fit with certain Numerological indicators; in fact several of the "miracles" attributed to Jesus stem from older Pythagorean lore, such as the famed Fish & Loaves tale & feeding the Multitudes which have a powerful Pythagorean (mathematic/numerological) meaning hidden behind the exoteric description.

We do know, based on the historic observations of trusted historians of the day, that a person fitting the general idea of Jesus MAY have been genuine. . . I leave the door open here in that many scholars believe that the passage in Josephus' records, was added to at a later time and not part of his original records (sadly, such additions and acts of 'editing' were quite common in those early centuries of the church's invention).

I personally believe that someone that meets the now exaggerated idea of Jesus existed. I do not believe he was "divine" in the same sense as his worshipers see him but rather, a man who sought to unit others in the essence of things spiritual and wise vs. our carnal longings, lusts and inclination towards greed/ possession. It is a common theme but especially when it comes to the Buddhist and seemingly Druidic accents found within the lessons/parables shared by said individual and later, his key followers, family members, etc. This is a very Gnostic point of view which robs the "orthodox" believer of those key fantasies that define them as being "Christian", starting with the idea that Jesus was just a man and nothing more; a simple craftsman that found a sense of purpose and spiritual discipline that allowed him to "touch" and affect the lives of others in the same charismatic way many do in our present world/time. He was the Gandhi of his day, you might say; his desire was to reinvigorate the Jewish people when it came to the auspices of their faith rather than living as tamed cattle that simply existed for the benefit of the priests who weren't just manipulating & stealing from them, but who had strayed far from the original essence of the Abrahamic and Mosianic traditions.

As mentioned, I believe that those that latter sought to exploit and organize the traditions of the original followers of this man deliberately molded things to their liking, which included the addition of traits (miracles, indicators, etc.) that were common to all Gods, Demi-Gods, Heroes and "Holy men" of the day. One side of this action allowed the priests to slowly "borrow' and adapt older "Pagan" ideas, symbols, rituals, etc. sewing them into the Jesus myth that is now viewed with so much reverence from one side of the coin, and significant distrust and venom from the other side. Both sides missing the proverbial point (as man loves to do), which is to focus on the core -- the foundation set within this tradition that is universal to all modes of faith and spiritual philosophy; to find "God" within the self - to learn and know the self and from that, obtain peace and the ability to claim one's own power. . . one's own sense of Divinity.
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Re: Did Jesus Christ learn Buddhism?

Postby Js1981 » 10 Jul 2011, 02:10

Fantastic post.
I agree with all of your ideas, specialy the one about Vatican wanting to control .
Great reading.
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Re: Did Jesus Christ go to India?

Postby Scepcop » 08 Nov 2011, 00:56

Here is another interesting film I found.

Jesus was a Buddhist Monk BBC Documentary

Description:

This BBC 4 documentary examines the question "Did Jesus Die?". It looks at a bunch of ideas around this question until minute 25, where this examination of ideas takes a very logical and grounded turn with surprising conclusions that demonstrate...

The three wise men were Buddhist monks who found Jesus and came back for him around puberty. After being trained in a Buddhist Monastery he spread the Buddhist philosophy, survived the crucifixion, and escaped to Kashmir, Afghanistan where he died an old man at the age of 80.

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Re: Did Jesus Christ go to India?

Postby Scepcop » 08 Nov 2011, 01:11

Jesus in India - Beyond Belief Documentary



Jesus in India? -- BBC Documentary



Deepak Chopra - Lost Years Of Jesus

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