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SCECOP as won the Official Stundie!

Postby stundie » 31 Dec 2009, 22:25

Hi everyone :)

You may have heard all kinds of things about me or just heard of the award they named after me at the JREF forum. :lol:

Let me explain my story, I started to question what we had been told about 9/11. I had heard about Norman Mineta's testimony and how it was ignored, I also read an excellent book by David Ray Griffin that spoke of an interview Dick Cheney gave just 5 days after the attacks.

So I had a look online and read the whole interview.
http://www.emperors-clothes.com/9-11backups/nbcmp.htm
(NBC Meet The Press with Tim Russert - Dick Cheney -16th Sept 2001)


I was a little gob smack at what Dick Cheney actually claims in this interview of what he claims happened on the morning of 9/11 which is in direct contradiction to what the 9/11 commission claims when he arrived at the PEOC.

Dick Cheney himself claims that he was in the PEOC when he hears of the pentagon attack, so therefore it is a possibility that he was there before 9:37 at the time of the Pentagon attack as Norman Mineta claims. Bush was in the school reading with the kids when this all kicked off, so we know he was not around to make any decisions but Cheney was alright!

Now the question which I have asked over and over again is did Dick Cheney arrive at the PEOC at 9:58am as the commission claims or before 9:37 as he claims in his 1st interview?

And when you put this into context with others statements and testimonies with others who were at their and in contact with the White House (in particularly Norman Mineta who over hears a young man giving Cheney a countdown in distance of an object heading towards them when they hear of the Pentagon attack) it paints a very different picture as to what Dick Cheney will later claim in interviews after this 1st interview and what the 9/11 commission finally claims.

Especially when you consider the evidence to support the commissions claims isn't based on verifiable evidence like alarm data that is not retrievable.

After this 1st interview given just 5 days after the attacks, Dick Cheney changed his story which the commission used but others who were there still contradict his altered story and what the commission eventually claims.

So I joined the JREF Forum and I was told that Norman Minetas testimony was debunked and given a link to a another thread, I read through it and there was nothing other than repeating the commission claims, even though most of it based on evidence which can't be verified. It was just people falsely claiming Mineta was wrong and providing no evidence to support this. What was happening was a psychological meltdown! lol

A poster called Gravy who I didn't know would this was Mr 9/11 New Yorker "Mark Roberts", was preaching the loudest that Mineta was wrong but he and the rest of his follower were losing badly because he was just projecting his personal beliefs which aren't based on reality, just what he wants to be true.

In what I can only describe as an attempt to win Randi's millions by using some sort of psychic powers, forum members could tell I was a sock of another poster even though I had never heard of this other poster or knew what a sock was? This was enough to action the mods into banning me.

I sent them emails over the next few days as I was not aware of breaking any of the forums rules or agreements and I wanted to continue spanking the pseudo skeptics including Gravy who I had already exposed as a liar on another thread but I never received any replies.

And I didn't even get to point out the Dick Cheney Interview which confirms he is in the PEOC with Mineta when they hear of the Pentagon attack, before the commission claims.

Or even point out what else this evidence reveals as a possibility. :lol:

Anyway, I joined another forum called the Screw Loose Change (SLC) and the issue surrounding my banning at the JREF Forum came up, at the time I didn't know why I was banned, so one of the SLC members went across to the JREF Forum and explained that the Mods thought I was a sock puppet of this other poster.

So I continued posting at the SLC forum not realising it was a hang out for JREFs most useless debunkers and they would pop across and even had JREF members join the SLC forum to debunk my theory. After their continuous failings and laughing at the cognitive dissonance, I used to put my favourite quotes in my signature until I had too many quotes to fit in my signature. After incorrectly using the wrong word in a sentence, members of the JREF forum decided to create the Stundie Awards. The awards were revenge for me criticising and challenging their personal belief in the official story.

I then complained to James Randi himself about my unfair banning based on false allegations and the subsequent Stundie Awards, he passed this on with the promise it would be resolved. However to reverse my banning, I would have to prove to them who I am, in order to prove I am not this other poster. :shock:

Talk about proving a negative, besides I'm not in the habit of passing over my personal details to a forum who I do not know and more importantly, why should I have to provide evidence when they can't provide evidence as to why they thought I was this other poster in the first place? lol

This allows them to keep their precious Stundie Awards which I was concerned about at first but soon realised the awards are nothing more than a bukkake session for the groupthinkers who regularly laugh and post quotes.

Since then, I post on other forums about the possibility of 9/11 being an inside job and my theory regarding a coverup by either the commission or Cheney himself as yet to be debunked.

I do not believe in ghosts, paranormal activity, psychics but I understand that they are my personal beliefs and as a skeptic, I have to accept there is a possibility I could be wrong. I'm not what you would consider a conspiracy theorist as I do not have any interest in the whole NWO or Illuminate stuff. I'm often labelled a truther although this couldn't be further from the truth unless anyone who disagrees with the official story is therefore a truther! I've never joined a single truth group and just because I post at the Loose Change forum, doesn't make me one either because I join debunker forums long before I joined any truther forums.

I support a new investigation into the events surrounding 9/11 as it is clear that the commission was inadequate, even some of the commissioners themselves say as much.

I enjoy debate and discussion and I'm looking forward to what this forum might have to offer. I am very respectful to anyone who shows the same respect back. If debunkers want to debate the facts, I am more than willing to have a discussion with them, but if they want trade names, that is fine too..both will be dealt with. I'm quite good at offending people when faced with such closed mindedness which some people have foolishly mistaken for debunking and critical thinking.

Sorry for the long intro and I hope I ain't bored you all into a coma. lol

Cheers

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Re: SCECOP as won the Official Stundie!

Postby ProfWag » 31 Dec 2009, 23:16

Stundie,
Serious question to you. What does it really matter what specific time Dick Cheney did what and when? I remember the morning of 9/11 quite well as I was getting ready to go to work so I know what time the first plane hit. After that, I couldn't begin to tell you where I was and at what time. I was working for the Wing Commander of a major missile base on 9/11 so it was extremely hectic in and around the CP that morning. Couldn't it be possible that he just didn't know what time it was when he was here or there? The Pentagon is quite large and perhaps he was using the time he left to go to Hole was one thing and the time he arrived is another. I guess I'm just wondering what the importance is of a conflicting time story. There could be a ton of reasons.
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Re: SCECOP as won the Official Stundie!

Postby stundie » 01 Jan 2010, 02:22

ProfWag wrote:Stundie,
Serious question to you. What does it really matter what specific time Dick Cheney did what and when?
Hi ProfWag :)

Cheney was in his office at the White House when he was told of the 1st attack, he switches on the TV and saw the 2nd attack which at that point, he knew it was a terrorist attack. It matters a great deal for the simple reason Dick Cheney was the commander in Chief while the President was busy.

What he did then while in charge at the White House is important to understand if you want to know what happened on the morning of 9/11.
ProfWag wrote:I remember the morning of 9/11 quite well as I was getting ready to go to work so I know what time the first plane hit. After that, I couldn't begin to tell you where I was and at what time.
So you do not remember when you heard of the 2nd attack, the pentagon attack or when the 1st tower collapsed?

No one is saying that memory can't be wrong, but let me put this in an analogy for you.

If person (A) says at 1st that meets person (B) and says scenario (X) happened, then later changes his story to say scenario (Y) happened.
If Person (B) says he meets person (A) and says that scenario (X) happened.
If Person (C) says he sees both person (A) & (B) and says that scenario (X) happened.

Why is Person (A) scenario (Y) wrong?

There could be many reasons of course why it is wrong, but to suggest it is a case of mistaken memory could be argued if person (A) had 1st said that scenario (Y) had happened, then later changed it to scenario (X). Could his memory have been fine and then later wrong, why of course, but what if there was a reason that person (A) had to change the scenario? Like if Scenario (X) is true, then it could implicate person (A) involvement with the scenario and his reason for changing the scenario.

ProfWag wrote:I was working for the Wing Commander of a major missile base on 9/11 so it was extremely hectic in and around the CP that morning.
I'm not doubting it wasn't hectic and confusing.
ProfWag wrote:Couldn't it be possible that he just didn't know what time it was when he was here or there?
That is what I work on, possibilities.

Of course it is possible that he didn't know what time it was here or there. That is why we can use other evidence to establish at which timeline is correct.
ProfWag wrote:The Pentagon is quite large and perhaps he was using the time he left to go to Hole was one thing and the time he arrived is another.
Cheney wasn't at the Pentagon, he was either in the bunker leading to the PEOC or actually in the PEOC when he hears the Pentagon has been attacked.

Depending on which version of events you believe of course.
ProfWag wrote:I guess I'm just wondering what the importance is of a conflicting time story. There could be a ton of reasons.
Thanks
Wag
There could be a ton of reasons, but I suppose the biggest reason is what Mineta claims when he says he over hears a young man giving Cheney an update on a plane which was 50, 30 then 10 miles out. If what Cheney told us 5 days after the attacks is true, then it begs lots of other question like what was the order he gave to this young man and what time was he and SS aware of the plane heading towards them and if he knew a plane was heading towards them to move him towards the PEOC, why wasn't the Pentagon or anyone else informed?

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Re: SCECOP as won the Official Stundie!

Postby NinjaPuppy » 01 Jan 2010, 03:44

Stundie wrote:If what Cheney told us 5 days after the attacks is true, then it begs lots of other question like what was the order he gave to this young man and what time was he and SS aware of the plane heading towards them and if he knew a plane was heading towards them to move him towards the PEOC, why wasn't the Pentagon or anyone else informed?

I recall reading something, somewhere that there was some sort of 'mistake' with calculating the altitude of that plane. They thought it was flying much higher than it was and didn't realize it was topping the trees, ready to hit it's so called target. I can't recall where I had read this however.
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Re: SCECOP as won the Official Stundie!

Postby Nostradamus » 02 Jan 2010, 08:54

I wanted to continue spanking the pseudo skeptics including Gravy who I had already exposed as a liar on another thread

ROTFLMAO! You wish you had 1% of the intelligence of Mark Roberts. :lol: :lol:

After incorrectly using the wrong word in a sentence

which I noticed several times in this posting.

The awards were revenge for me criticising and challenging their personal belief in the official story.

It's too bad you don't understand the meaning of the award.

It matters a great deal for the simple reason Dick Cheney was the commander in Chief while the President was busy.

Not true. Command does not transfer that way. The Constitution and some laws define the transfer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Succession_Act

At the time the president was not dead, removed from office, or incapacitated. Therefore, he was still in charge - busy or not.

When playing the game of possibilities be sure to weed out the lies, silly notions, and impossible ones first. :lol:
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Re: SCECOP as won the Official Stundie!

Postby stundie » 02 Jan 2010, 08:56

NinjaPuppy wrote:I recall reading something, somewhere that there was some sort of 'mistake' with calculating the altitude of that plane. They thought it was flying much higher than it was and didn't realize it was topping the trees, ready to hit it's so called target. I can't recall where I had read this however.
Hi Ninjapuppy,

I'm not sure who was calculating altitudes or why they would to need to calculate it. If I remember correctly, the transponder on AA77 was switched back on and gives an altitude reading.

Cheers

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Re: SCECOP as won the Official Stundie!

Postby stundie » 02 Jan 2010, 09:23

Nostradamus wrote:ROTFLMAO! You wish you had 1% of the intelligence of Mark Roberts. :lol: :lol:
I thought you didn't deal with repugnant liars such as myself! :lol:

viewtopic.php?f=12&t=754&start=70#p8846

I wish I had 100% of his intelligence, then I too could live the simple life of a single cell ameoba. :D

Nostradamus wrote:which I noticed several times in this posting.
Its funny the things you do notice, you may have spotted spelling mistakes, grammar errors etc etc.

But you do not notice your own lies, even though they are as blatant as a Lindsey Lohan nipple slip! :D

Nostradamus wrote:It's too bad you don't understand the meaning of the award.
No, I understand the meaning alright, I just hope you enjoy the bukakke! lol

Nostradamus wrote:Not true. Command does not transfer that way. The Constitution and some laws define the transfer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Succession_Act
From the link you posted!! :lol:
Wiki wrote:A Presidential Succession Act (currently 3 U.S.C. § 19) establishes the line of succession to the powers and duties of the office of President of the United States in the event that neither a President nor Vice President is able to "discharge the powers and duties of the office."
Bush was definetly in a position to "discharge the powers and duties of the office" while reading "My Pet Goat" with the kids in the classroom wasn't he Nostradamus?? :D

Nostradamus wrote:At the time the president was not dead, removed from office, or incapacitated. Therefore, he was still in charge - busy or not.
Yeah, the president gave out all his instructions while sitting in the classroom via ESP! lol

Not to be confused with ESPN! :D
Nostradamus wrote:When playing the game of possibilities be sure to weed out the lies, idiot notions, and impossible ones first. :lol:
Lies and idiot notions?? Like when people claim that Silverstein lost money!! lol

I know exactly what you mean............ :D
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Re: SCECOP as won the Official Stundie!

Postby Nostradamus » 02 Jan 2010, 09:36

No, I understand the meaning alright

How wrong you are :lol: :lol:
Yeah, the president gave out all his instructions while sitting in the classroom via ESP!

There was no transfer of power. End of story.
Lies and idiot notions?? Like when people claim that Silverstein lost money!!

I never said he lost money you liar. How ignorant are you? (Rhetorical question in case you missed it.)
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Re: SCECOP as won the Official Stundie!

Postby Nostradamus » 02 Jan 2010, 09:41

Bush was definetly in a position to "discharge the powers and duties of the office" while reading "My Pet Goat" with the kids in the classroom wasn't he Nostradamus??


This is a stundie award possibility. It exhibits the necessary stupidity and lack of intelligence worthy of a Stundie Award. It shows a lack of understanding of simple reading and comprehension - the sort of task a 3rd grader manages on an SOL test, but apparently Stundie winners cannot. :lol: :lol:
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Re: SCECOP as won the Official Stundie!

Postby stundie » 02 Jan 2010, 09:58

Nostradamus wrote:How wrong you are :lol: :lol:
So wrong that you aren't going to point out what I am wrong about? At a guess!! :D
Nostradamus wrote:There was no transfer of power. End of story.
Who said there was a transfer of power? lol

You are more imaginative than Narnia! lol
Nostradamus wrote:I never said he lost money you liar. How ignorant are you? (Rhetorical question in case you missed it.)
No, I would like to answer this rhetorical question. You did say............
Nostradamus in another thread wrote:Silverman lost money in the deal.
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=754#p8084
Whose Silverman?? And more importantly whose ignorant? :lol:

Rhetorical questions of course!! :D
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Re: SCECOP as won the Official Stundie!

Postby stundie » 02 Jan 2010, 10:25

Nostradamus wrote:This is a stundie award possibility.
Sorry Mate! I'm going to have to disappoint you. :(

I can't be nominated apparently, so your dreams of being the target for this months bukakke session known as the Stundie Awards as turned into a nightmarish golden shower.

I'm sure if you got on your knees and begged, someone might toss you a bone and allow you entry. :lol:
Nostradamus wrote:It exhibits the necessary stupidity and lack of intelligence worthy of a Stundie Award.
Well good luck with your nomination, you might be a winner as opposed to the sore loser you become accustomed too recently.

Just remember to stop when it becomes to sore!! :lol:
Nostradamus wrote: It shows a lack of understanding of simple reading and comprehension - the sort of task a 3rd grader manages on an SOL test, but apparently Stundie winners cannot. :lol: :lol:
Maybe it shows that the person nominating is a proven liar whose uses piss poor debunkings skills to avoid the fact they are in denial about being wrong on a subject but is way too much of an intellectual coward to admit it. :D

But when you worship an intellectual coward such as Mark Roberts, then all you will do is repeat his behaviour, but very, very badly! :lol:
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Re: SCECOP as won the Official Stundie!

Postby Nostradamus » 02 Jan 2010, 10:48

Kudos on the find stundie. I have to apologize.

I should have said, I never claimed he lost billions.


That was your idiotic lie as well as the stupid math you used.
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Re: SCECOP as won the Official Stundie!

Postby Nostradamus » 02 Jan 2010, 11:05

Since the start of the OP began with:
You may have heard all kinds of things about me or just heard of the award they named after me at the JREF forum.


Let's see what fun we can have reading some Stundie nominations.

I wonder what temperature is needed to make a mass of concrrete like that molten for the intact steel rebar to be sticking out of?


I think most of the ills of the world can be traced to a small group which includes Atheists, Protestants, Muslims, Catholics, Jews and maybe even a Hindu or two...What they all have in common is that they are conspiratorial thieves and murderers. Many are real creeps who are have been initiated into the high degrees of freemasonry or other luciferian sects......Many are pedofiles who enjoy goats for some reason...


i always wondered to myself... what if there were no fires or physical damage to building 7? how then could they justify it's collapse.


The debrie pile has been mounded up and soil/landfill has been added to to increase its volume.


Sober drivers should be held accountable for their actions. There are many 4-time sober drivers on the road, and all are potential killers. When you get behind the wheel, your turn a 2-ton mass on iron into a loaded gun.
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Re: SCECOP as won the Official Stundie!

Postby Nostradamus » 02 Jan 2010, 11:16

Here's a stundie from stundie.

Like I said, one of them could be right, but they could both be wrong.


This is after he is repeatedly told that both could be right. :lol: :lol:
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Re: SCECOP as won the Official Stundie!

Postby Nostradamus » 02 Jan 2010, 11:22

Stundie remember this beauty?
NORAD don't just start shooting random planes from the sky you know.
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