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I'm The Professor JREF MDC Rejectee

Postby The Professor » 20 Jul 2009, 11:29

This seems like a great place!!!!!!
I'm ready...... Let's party!!!!
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Re: I'm The Professor JREF MDC Rejectee

Postby Scepcop » 20 Jul 2009, 23:46

Welcome Professor.

So what are you a professor of? And where? Care to introduce yourself?

What does JREF MDC Rejectee mean?
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Re: I'm The Professor JREF MDC Rejectee

Postby ciscop » 22 Jul 2009, 12:16

i can help with that
the professor slim king
is a mentalist that drinks too much and think he can speak to the dead but offers no proof
hence.. it was expelled for the MDC (million dollar challenge)

the professor in other words.. is David Koenig.. A MAGICIAN
he knows the tricks and likes to pass them as real for layman.
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Re: I'm The Professor JREF MDC Rejectee

Postby antiskeptic » 22 Jul 2009, 13:32

ciscop, you are a very disrespectful person. I hope that you will apologize for your last post.
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Re: I'm The Professor JREF MDC Rejectee

Postby ciscop » 23 Jul 2009, 00:27

i can proove he is using magic tricks.. HE IS A MAGICIAN... look at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7pLdJpz ... re=related

in this video he talks about he is going to predict something about 500 inner truths and then he shows a book to the camera
that book is called THE WITCHES ALMANAC
you can buy it in a magic specialty store http://www.outlaw-effects.com/store/the ... manac.html
is 90 dollars and if you buy it you can do what he does...

you dont want to be related to this cheater
he wants to fool you in order to gain fame
thats why he was rejected from the JREF challenge
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Re: I'm The Professor JREF MDC Rejectee

Postby Scepcop » 23 Jul 2009, 00:49

Well ciscop, all we have at the moment is your word against his. A man's actions speaks louder than his words. I will view the Professor's videos and let you know what I think. If you wish to expose or undermine someone's credibility, please do so with facts, examples, and reason, not with any ad homineum attacks like they do on the JREF and SGU forums, ok?

In the meantime, I would like to see The Professors protocol and application that he submitted, if he can scan it and post it here. Everyone should be given a fair chance to be heard and considered at SCEPCOP.

Remember, we are shooting for pure objectivity here, or at least as close to it as possible :)
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Re: I'm The Professor JREF MDC Rejectee

Postby Scepcop » 23 Jul 2009, 00:54

Ciscop,
The Witches Almanac looks like a book of Wiccan spells or something. It doesn't appear to be a magic or mentalism guidebook. How do you know it has the trick that the Professor does? Do you have a copy of it? 90 dollars is a lot to pay for a little book like that... Dang.

How did you find this forum by the way? Do I know you under another name?

Why does he call himself the Professor? Does he teach somewhere?
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Re: I'm The Professor JREF MDC Rejectee

Postby ciscop » 23 Jul 2009, 02:48

Hello!
yes! It doesnt appear like a mentalism book right?
but if you read the page you will find that it was designed by Bill Cushman a MENTALIST! (you can find more effects from him in the same page)
thats the point of the book, to not appear like it is a magic trick
but it is a mentalism book
it said so on the page: look.. COPY PASTE directly from the page:

The Almanac is a mentalism effect. It is perfect for those that want to add a little "mystique" to their set.

http://www.outlaw-effects.com/store/the ... manac.html check again,
be careful with this guy. He is a magician and he wants to fool you all.
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Re: I'm The Professor JREF MDC Rejectee

Postby ciscop » 23 Jul 2009, 02:49

and why the professor?
i really dont know

there´s a video on youtube that it says he is a Blue Brothers tribute act on Universal Pictures

i dont know if he gives courses on anything
maybe he does.
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Re: I'm The Professor JREF MDC Rejectee

Postby Eteponge » 23 Jul 2009, 03:30

ciscop wrote:Hello!
yes! It doesnt appear like a mentalism book right?
but if you read the page you will find that it was designed by Bill Cushman a MENTALIST! (you can find more effects from him in the same page)
thats the point of the book, to not appear like it is a magic trick
but it is a mentalism book
it said so on the page: look.. COPY PASTE directly from the page:

The Almanac is a mentalism effect. It is perfect for those that want to add a little "mystique" to their set.

http://www.outlaw-effects.com/store/the ... manac.html check again,
be careful with this guy. He is a magician and he wants to fool you all.

I read the link, and indeed it clearly says of the Book ...

"The Almanac is a mentalism effect. It is perfect for those that want to add a little "mystique" to their set."

And ...

"Bill and I designed this book to appeal to not only the professional performer, but the hobbiest as well, not to mention the collectors."

Thanks for this information ciscop. We should investigate this matter further.

I don't know this person we are discussing, but we should examine all the facts we can. I'd also like to see The Professor's response to all of this.

Just bringing up the mention of "Wicca" (a modern Religion started in the 1950s by Gerald Gardener who claims it is much older than it actually is) raises big red flags. Followers of "Wicca" claim it is an ancient religion, when it actually originated with Gerald Gardener in 1954. There is zero evidence it existed before that (all we have is his word that he was initiated into it by an alleged Witch named "Old Dorothy Clutterbuck", which was conveniently only brought up after her death in 1951. Dorothy was actually a Church of England Christian, and there is no evidence she was a secret Pagan.) The Religion is a mish-mash of ancient pagan and modern neo-pagan beliefs. Most modern "Wiccans" follow not Gerald Gardener's Traditional Lineaged Wicca (which is a fertility cult where you must be initiated as an adult, learn elemental weapons of ether, and adhere to his 161 laws), but a fluff-bunny eclectic teenage version of "Wicca" which was formed from the works of Silver Ravenwolf and others.

Sources:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Clutterbuck

http://web.archive.org/web/200607201147 ... _real.html

http://web.archive.org/web/200607181402 ... urray.html

http://wicca.timerift.net/old_religion.shtml

http://wicca.timerift.net/burning.shtml

http://web.archive.org/web/200607170110 ... s/161.html
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Re: I'm The Professor JREF MDC Rejectee

Postby Scepcop » 23 Jul 2009, 04:30

ciscop wrote:Hello!
yes! It doesnt appear like a mentalism book right?
but if you read the page you will find that it was designed by Bill Cushman a MENTALIST! (you can find more effects from him in the same page)
thats the point of the book, to not appear like it is a magic trick
but it is a mentalism book
it said so on the page: look.. COPY PASTE directly from the page:

The Almanac is a mentalism effect. It is perfect for those that want to add a little "mystique" to their set.

http://www.outlaw-effects.com/store/the ... manac.html check again,
be careful with this guy. He is a magician and he wants to fool you all.


Ok I see now. So how do you know that the professor's trick in the video came from this book? On what basis?

I went to the video you linked here, and this professor certainly seems like a showman type rather than a real serious psychic. He also seems to imitate Elvis a bit. Not sure if that's intentional though.
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Re: I'm The Professor JREF MDC Rejectee

Postby Eteponge » 23 Jul 2009, 04:45

If he is using a proven mentalist / professional showman "Witchcraft" book in the video (as though it's meaningful to him and what he does), and is acting (and looking) like more of a showman rather than a psychic, there is sufficient reason to doubt and question the credibility of the person obviously.

But we should still give him the benefit of the doubt to respond to all of this.
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Re: I'm The Professor JREF MDC Rejectee

Postby antiskeptic » 23 Jul 2009, 08:01

It is possible to say that you disagree with someone without accusing them of being a drunk. We are still waiting for an apology from ciscop. If we don't get one I would recommend banning him.
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Re: I'm The Professor JREF MDC Rejectee

Postby ciscop » 23 Jul 2009, 10:57

Im sorry antiskeptic
i wont apologyze until you have seen his videos, in many of them appears drinking
and in one of them he even says he was drinking vodka and shows you the crystal skull bottle before doing a prediction (i think it was a NBA prediction).

Oh.. and about the book, in the link i provided
He mentions BY NAME the WITCHES ALMANAC (at the end of the video), he also points out the 500 inner truths part of the book
and SHOWS YOU the book...
i just pointed out to some facts, it is up to you to analyze the information i provided and to make up your own mind
can it be another book called witches almanac? perhaps
can it be another book called witches almanac with 500 inner truths? perhaps
can it be another book called witches almanac with 500 inner truths and the same black cover and pages that look old? perhaps

Im just saying there´s a MENTALISM MAGIC TRICK BOOK, (not a teach a trick book.. the BOOK is THE TRICK).. that looks like it, has the same name, has the same content and lets you do what he says he is going to do... so draw your own conclusions.

just wanted to give a heads up
before trusting his predictions, always remember he is magician using magic tricks
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Re: I'm The Professor JREF MDC Rejectee

Postby NinjaPuppy » 29 Jul 2009, 00:36

Just bringing up the mention of "Wicca" (a modern Religion started in the 1950s by Gerald Gardener who claims it is much older than it actually is) raises big red flags. Followers of "Wicca" claim it is an ancient religion, when it actually originated with Gerald Gardener in 1954. There is zero evidence it existed before that (all we have is his word that he was initiated into it by an alleged Witch named "Old Dorothy Clutterbuck", which was conveniently only brought up after her death in 1951. Dorothy was actually a Church of England Christian, and there is no evidence she was a secret Pagan.) The Religion is a mish-mash of ancient pagan and modern neo-pagan beliefs. Most modern "Wiccans" follow not Gerald Gardener's Traditional Lineaged Wicca (which is a fertility cult where you must be initiated as an adult, learn elemental weapons of ether, and adhere to his 161 laws), but a fluff-bunny eclectic teenage version of "Wicca" which was formed from the works of Silver Ravenwolf and others.


Putting my $.02 in here if that is permissable. Wicca is the term for what was started by Gerald Gardener or Gardner, he is known in some circles as "The father of Wicca". He claims to have come into some information about it and started the practice of what is termed today, 'Gardnerian Wicca' through his book, "Witchcraft Today". His writing is based on ancient pagan beliefs (from Wiki: Paganism is the blanket term given to describe religions and spiritual practices of pre-Christian Europe) and claims (according to Wikipedia-"that Wicca was the survival of a pre-Christian pagan Witch cult that he had been initiated into by a New Forest coven.")

His writings are simplistic in theory and from his writing many other have adopted and adapted his ideas. Hence the 'fluffy-bunny", "eclectic" and other versions of his original concept. Within the Wiccan community, there is no right or wrong way to worship. All wiccans are pagans, but not all pagans are wiccans. To-mato / to-mahto.

As far as the term Wicca goes it is easily interchanged with the words 'witchcraft' or just 'the craft' and certainly does appear on the scene in the mid-1900s. Witchcraft however goes back a few more centuries.
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