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Postby Fifer » 28 Mar 2010, 20:42

Hi Guys

I have been in this site and read one article and been on the board for minutes and I am IN BLISS :lol: :lol:

I have done a power of study from within the paranormal community then onto conspiracies et al and recently hit the realisation of what exactly is happening with the information pushed into our minds to play on our ego consciousness (fears, keeping status Q, Ridicule tactics et al). It led me to look closer at Sceptics (UK end) and exactly what is going on here...it hit me with a large WOW factor as I recounted my experiences as an Investigator in the field previously. I was well and truly played like a piano but now get it!

This seems to be relevant throughout all subject matter that the PTB do not wish us to get too..then we have the state educated Pseudo-Sceptics who are defending the system due to a belief system and the clutter that has been built up on them!

Anyway....this is a recent discovery by me but not by the looks of things here with you all thus far...I am really looking forward to reading the topics here and expanding on my thoughts.

I have to say also....my realisations came when my perception shifted from a ego centred outlook to one that I can not even explain now lol More right brained than left but still able to look at things with more balance!

Fantastic site and really looking forward to taking part

Kindest to all

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Re: Well Well

Postby NinjaPuppy » 29 Mar 2010, 18:31

Welcome!
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Re: Well Well

Postby Scepcop » 09 Jun 2010, 16:43

Welcome Fifer.

So what is your position on the Paranormal?

Any experiences?
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Re: Well Well

Postby Fifer » 20 Jun 2010, 18:08

Hi again

I am actually open minded in regards to the paranormal, I have in the past week, re-entered the study of local and national locations with alleged hauntings...I am going to approach it from a more observational point of view, blending into the natural environment and closely researching the witness reports so I have a chance of visiting when as close as possible to the conditions at time of report. I have had experiences of my own, they wont stand up to scrutiny but regardless, they still happened so I am pretty clear in my own thoughts :lol:

Loving your work here...this is something I happen to be banging on about within the field of paranormal research...people need to start shutting doors on the pseudo-sceptics and start advancing the field with new ideas, hypothesis and action...the aforementioned parasites are stagnating the field....so that's where my stance comes from!!
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Re: Well Well

Postby Scepcop » 20 Jun 2010, 20:10

I commend you Fifer and know where you've been. Once you liberate your mind, you have true freedom, and that includes the freedom to not think with the crowd or believe the establishment. That is true freedom.

Yet still, I wonder if the powers to be are purposely leaking out so much info on the paranormal and conspiracies to cause division among us, or distractions, or to prepare us for something. It could be that the censorship is a ploy to make it look like there's something to hide. Perhaps there is a large secret going on that's bigger than all of us.
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Re: Well Well

Postby ProfWag » 21 Jun 2010, 23:00

Scepcop wrote:Perhaps there is a large secret going on that's bigger than all of us.

You may be on to something Scepcop. And this "large secret" would have to span the continents, across every religion and culture.
Hmmm.
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Re: Well Well

Postby Fifer » 25 Aug 2010, 19:50

Sorry for the lack of reply, been caught up in so many sites I forgot to pop back!! lol

I hear ya!!

Saw your postings on Icke's site in regards to Jarrah....excellent videos and enjoyed the conversations till the heavy brigade turned up with their locked minds and shouting the NASA stance!! I backed out from then as could not be bothered reading their crap...thanks for bringing the young dude to my attention...spent all yesterday watching the Moon Faker videos ;) ;)
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Re: Well Well

Postby Scepcop » 25 Aug 2010, 19:58

Your welcome. Jarrah's videos are very exciting and informative. Whether he's right or not, he brings up a lot of valid points and is highly intelligent.

I was thinking the other day though about pseudoskeptics and whether they are just ignorant and narrow or actual trained disinfo agents? Here are my thoughts and speculations (which I've put on the home page too).

Pseudoskeptics have hijacked the term "skeptic" to refer to the one who suppresses, rather than the one who "doubts or questions" which it is supposed to refer to. As such, a "skeptic" now refers to the ridiculer, debunker and discreditor of the "questioner" (who is the true skeptic) rather than to the questioner himself. In other words, the new "skeptic" is someone who debunks a "skeptic" by wearing the hat of the person they are out to debunk, in effect impersonating them! It's a highly deceptive form of role reversal that is very sneaky and devious, no doubt.

And furthermore, it seems way too calculated and militant to be due to some accidental misunderstanding, ignorance or closed mindedness. Hijacking a word to mean its opposite seems more like part of some sort of agenda, perhaps a deliberate disinformation campaign or cultural mind control. If that sounds terrible, well, we are here to expose that thank goodness.
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Re: Well Well

Postby Fifer » 25 Aug 2010, 21:39

Scepcop wrote:And furthermore, it seems way too calculated and militant to be due to some accidental misunderstanding, ignorance or closed mindedness. Hijacking a word to mean its opposite seems more like part of some sort of agenda, perhaps a deliberate disinformation campaign or cultural mind control. If that sounds terrible, well, we are here to expose that thank goodness.


Winston, I have had similar thoughts while looking at not just your example in the case of Pseudo-Scepticism (please excuse my UK spelling of the word lol) and how the true sceptical stance has been hijacked but, a plethora of meanings and every day situations where you can easily reverse them to gain the real truth. If you follow!!

Take Cynicism for an example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynicism

Cynicism (Greek: κυνισμός), in its original form, refers to the beliefs of an ancient school of Greek philosophers known as the Cynics (Greek: Κυνικοί, Latin: Cynici). Their philosophy was that the purpose of life was to live a life of Virtue in agreement with Nature. This meant rejecting all conventional desires for wealth, power, health, and fame, and by living a simple life free from all possessions.


Now if that is Cynicism's true meaning from Wiki then I am all for it...hell yeah...but that is not what we are led to believe in this society or from education in School. I have had to seriously ask myself what is going on here as using real scepticism and not what our friends such as Randi and his band of worshippers use....I have come to the conclusion that in order to view and evaluate life properly and to gain any truth...I now have to empty my head of all I have learnt from others like School and government programs.

This quotation actually now holds some truths for me and when you actually realise that It is correct...you question what the hell is going on.

"Just look at us. Everything is backwards. Everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information, and religion destroys spirituality." - Michael Ellner


I came to a mini conclusion which is flexible if I find a better thought....a high percentage of Pseudo-sceptics are university educated, students or on positions of strength and material gain. They are protecting the system so as to protect their status or invested time in state educated establishments....They will fight to the end to trumpet the status set by governments and religious institutions...they like the world this way and they will discredit, slur, fight and cry in defence of their position whether right or wrong. Their mind is set, its closed and its on ego defence mode...no one is getting in and no one is correct but them and the masters of the game!!

My mind is flexible, open and like a sponge for all information... I know I know nothing and need to search it out, I know my thought process will continue to evolve and change when new information comes to light and I know most of all that everything is not as black and white as painted by those with much to gain. Wonder who will last the longest :lol: :lol:

God I am off on a rant here lol excuse me!
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Re: Well Well

Postby Scepcop » 26 Aug 2010, 02:41

Brilliant insight Fifer. I love that quote too. Yes this world is like an insane asylum, where everything is the opposite of what is claimed. It's like a bad sci fi movie. Interesting but horrifying at the same time. I should show the mailing list this thread and get the others' take on it.

I think I'll make that true quote you cited my signature :)
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Re: Well Well

Postby Arouet » 26 Aug 2010, 02:58

Fifer wrote:Winston, I have had similar thoughts while looking at not just your example in the case of Pseudo-Scepticism (please excuse my UK spelling of the word lol) and how the true sceptical stance has been hijacked but, a plethora of meanings and every day situations where you can easily reverse them to gain the real truth. If you follow!!

Take Cynicism for an example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynicism

Cynicism (Greek: κυνισμός), in its original form, refers to the beliefs of an ancient school of Greek philosophers known as the Cynics (Greek: Κυνικοί, Latin: Cynici). Their philosophy was that the purpose of life was to live a life of Virtue in agreement with Nature. This meant rejecting all conventional desires for wealth, power, health, and fame, and by living a simple life free from all possessions.


Folks, language evolves over time. Words take on new meanings. There are philosophical traditions of skeptics and cynics, and the words have also come to have more colloquial meanings. There is nothing wrong with having multiple meanings for the same word. What is important in debates such as on this forum is to define one's terms when there is confusion so that we know what one is talking about.

Now if that is Cynicism's true meaning from Wiki then I am all for it...hell yeah...but that is not what we are led to believe in this society or from education in School. I have had to seriously ask myself what is going on here as using real scepticism and not what our friends such as Randi and his band of worshippers use....I have come to the conclusion that in order to view and evaluate life properly and to gain any truth...I now have to empty my head of all I have learnt from others like School and government programs.


The importance of education is not in the specific facts that one learns. I've forgotten the vast majority of info that I learned in university. The importance of education is to learn how to think critically. How to approach a problem and analyze it. How to examine an issue from multiple angles. Who cares who the original skeptics were? We're trying to evaluate people's positions and arguments and try and figure out what most likely is true.

I came to a mini conclusion which is flexible if I find a better thought....a high percentage of Pseudo-sceptics are university educated, students or on positions of strength and material gain. They are protecting the system so as to protect their status or invested time in state educated establishments....They will fight to the end to trumpet the status set by governments and religious institutions...they like the world this way and they will discredit, slur, fight and cry in defence of their position whether right or wrong. Their mind is set, its closed and its on ego defence mode...no one is getting in and no one is correct but them and the masters of the game!!


First, skeptics are not biggest supporters of religious institutions, not sure why you'd lump that in there. I wouldn't be surprised if a larger percentage of skeptics are university educated - which is where critical thinking is highlighted. But protecting the system? What system? The world is filled with systems! There is no one body controlling everything. The skeptic grouped are filled with diverse people from around the world! You folks like to group a bunch of people together who come from diverse backgrounds, and interests and ideas. Being a skeptic is a thought process.

My mind is flexible, open and like a sponge for all information... I know I know nothing and need to search it out, I know my thought process will continue to evolve and change when new information comes to light and I know most of all that everything is not as black and white as painted by those with much to gain. Wonder who will last the longest :lol: :lol:


It's great to be open to new information, we all should be. What is more important, however, is what do you do with that information? We are bombarded with information! How you analyze it defines whether you are a critical thinker or not.


God I am off on a rant here lol excuse me!
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Re: Well Well

Postby Fifer » 26 Aug 2010, 17:11

Thanks Winston, I agree wholeheartedly!! ;)

Arouet. all due respect to you as I do not know you or your stance here, if you think its ok for School's to teach kids just one meaning of a word...the one that is most damaging to the original meaning and one which will be avoided at all costs thus resulting in those in control not fearing people holding it up and following it....then I have nothing more to say! :roll:

Transparency for the common man or women who has no time to research and study at depth is key...not hidden meanings and multiple distractions.

State education is a one sided sham that churns out yes men and tows the government stance, teaching you never too question authority or expand your thinking and critical analysis of not just subjects of the world but those actions of our self-proclaimed leaders. I want taught EVERYTHING not just what is deemed acceptable to the masses!! A fecking sham Arouet :?
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Re: Well Well

Postby Fifer » 26 Aug 2010, 17:20

Arouet wrote:First, skeptics are not biggest supporters of religious institutions, not sure why you'd lump that in there. I wouldn't be surprised if a larger percentage of skeptics are university educated - which is where critical thinking is highlighted. But protecting the system? What system? The world is filled with systems! There is no one body controlling everything. The skeptic grouped are filled with diverse people from around the world! You folks like to group a bunch of people together who come from diverse backgrounds, and interests and ideas. Being a skeptic is a thought process.


Ha Ha Ha...OK :lol:

You win ;)

Have a good day!
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Re: Well Well

Postby Arouet » 26 Aug 2010, 19:40

Fifer wrote:Thanks Winston, I agree wholeheartedly!! ;)

Arouet. all due respect to you as I do not know you or your stance here, if you think its ok for School's to teach kids just one meaning of a word...the one that is most damaging to the original meaning and one which will be avoided at all costs thus resulting in those in control not fearing people holding it up and following it....then I have nothing more to say! :roll:


I really don't follow you. In school I learned that words have multiple meanings. I learned that concepts evolve. I don't know what you mean by words damaging their original meaning? Human language has been evolving since humans developed speech. This can't be controvercial can it? You want every teacher to stop after each word they use and give a complete history of all of its meanings? You don't believe that, obviously, but that's the implication of what you've written above.

Transparency for the common man or women who has no time to research and study at depth is key...not hidden meanings and multiple distractions.


I don't follow: can you provide an example?

State education is a one sided sham that churns out yes men and tows the government stance, teaching you never too question authority or expand your thinking and critical analysis of not just subjects of the world but those actions of our self-proclaimed leaders. I want taught EVERYTHING not just what is deemed acceptable to the masses!! A fecking sham Arouet :?


Well, when I was in university, i was taught to argue issues from both sides rather explicitly. In fact, in most examinations, I was expected to argue pros and cons of various arguments and then offer a conclusion. So I really don't know what you mean. May I ask if you went to university? I'm not trying to be rude, its just that my experience was the opposite of what you are laying out here.

I don't know what it means to say that we should be taught "EVERYTHING". I mean, you've got about three hours of lecture per class per week...
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Re: Well Well

Postby Arouet » 26 Aug 2010, 19:42

Fifer wrote:
Ha Ha Ha...OK :lol:

You win ;)

Have a good day!


Dude, this is an internet forum designed to share opinions and discuss issues. I won't pretend to be right in every opinion I have. If you think I'm wrong, tell me. But back it up! (you wouldn't want to be accused of being a pseudo-skeptic would you?)
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