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These clips suggest that politics is staged

Postby Scepcop » 01 Nov 2009, 22:56

See these clips and analysis. They strongly suggest that the elections and politics on TV is rigged and staged. And that the candidates running for president are merely actors, with the winner already known.






Also consider the fact that the American people have no say in most of the decisions of the US government, both on domestic policy and foreign policy. For example, the government raises taxes against the majority's wishes, and goes to war against the majority's wishes. Such things right there should tell you that there is no true democracy in America or anywhere, and there never was.

We've all been duped, but only some of us dare to admit it and expose it for what it is. Most are conformists and afraid of the truth, even if confronted with hard evidence.
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Re: These clips suggest that politics is staged

Postby NinjaPuppy » 01 Nov 2009, 23:16

Scepcop wrote:See these clips and analysis. They strongly suggest that the elections and politics on TV is rigged and staged. And that the candidates running for president are merely actors, with the winner already known.






Also consider the fact that the American people have no say in most of the decisions of the US government, both on domestic policy and foreign policy. For example, the government raises taxes against the majority's wishes, and goes to war against the majority's wishes. Such things right there should tell you that there is no true democracy in America or anywhere, and there never was.

We've all been duped, but only some of us dare to admit it and expose it for what it is. Most are conformists and afraid of the truth, even if confronted with hard evidence.

I think ProfWag put this best in another thread. Something to the effect that America is a Republic and not a true democracy.

As for Presidential candidates being actors????? Wow! You mean Ronald Regan wasn't a real asshat with political aspirations????? :lol: When he was elected President, I sort of gave up giving a crap. He was by far the best example of a political tool (puppet) EVER.
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Re: These clips suggest that politics is staged

Postby Nostradamus » 03 Nov 2009, 12:04

I think ProfWag put this best in another thread. Something to the effect that America is a Republic and not a true democracy.


For years you get kids to say the pledge of allegiance and they miss that critical part "... the republic for which it stands ..." and then they turn around and say what????

No wonder packaging contains labels suggesting "Remove baby before folding up stroller" You laugh when you read it, but unfortunately it has to be said.
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Re: These clips suggest that politics is staged

Postby Nostradamus » 03 Nov 2009, 12:28

Ok. A light moment in American politics. I don't care if you believe me, but this happened. Too bad more debates weren't so lighthearted.

Back when carpet bagging was so popular, (think Hillary Clinton and Elizabeth Dole), there was a guy who was a retiree living in Mass. that vacationed every summer in VT and actually owned a residence in the state unlike the aforementioned carpet baggers.

Anywho, he changed his address to VT and wanted to run for the recently vacated senate seat. In a rural and slow talking, easy going state that seemed like a decent thing to do. But there were nefarious and evil doing forces of political machinery that seemed bent on preventing this gentleman from helping the suffering population.

They dug out a former actor from the state by the name of Fred who had starred in a movie about political machinations. It was filmed in the state of Vermont and had that unforgettable title of "Fred".

They went on to debate each other, Fred and the gentleman carpetbagger. The debate was on PBS. The debate was awesome. Fred was a know-nothing, cow teat pulling dairy farmer from what is called the Northeast Kingdom. His challenger was a well educated, respected carpetbagger from the state of Taxachusetts.

The moderator turned to the carpet bagger. "Your question sir"

"Now Fred", said the carpetbagger, "The economy is going to eat us all alive! What solutions can you offer!"

Fred was taken back. He stared at microphone and shifted his cap to the side. "To be honest, I haven't a clue."

The moderator tells Fred he has 2 minutes to answer, but Fred shrugs and sips his water.

"It's your turn to ask a question", says the moderator.

Fred nods, then asks, "This is a dairy state and there will be many dairy cows as you drive around. You better know how many teats on a cow. How many are there?"

Not exactly the question the carpetbagger expected. He tugged at his collar. He hemmed and hawed. He tap the podium. This of course was sufficient time for every Woodchuck in the state to phone the nay-buh and let him know that the Vah-mont Public TV stay-shun had finally put on a show worth all that begging.

So the bulk of the state was eyeing the show when the carpetbagger finally said "Six?" with a reluctant sigh.

Fred was an admirable combatant in this tense discussion of worldly issues. He frowned. He thought a skosh (Vermont word difficult to translate). "I've been on a lot of farms and seen a few cows, but always seen four. Possible there is six, just haven't seen it myself."

At this point in the political debate has half the population of Green Mountain state laughing hysterically and the other half calling their nay-buhs to make sure they've properly tuned in to the festivities.

It's a might difficult to describe the part of the debate where the debaters discuss the proper pronunciation of Vermont towns. If you think you can go to Vermont and pretend to name Calais and Charlotte as the locals do, then give yourself an F. Course if you know who Bert and I are or live in the decent parts of Maine, then you know how.
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Re: These clips suggest that politics is staged

Postby Scepcop » 06 Nov 2009, 04:35

Someone on my other forum said the same thing, that America is a republic, not a democracy.

http://www.happierabroad.com/phpBB2/vie ... php?t=6658

The US is a Constitutional Republic and not a Democracy. A democracy is a government of the masses and its authority is derived through direct expression. A constitutional republic is a government run by public officials (elected or appointed) and its authority is derived from a set of fixed principles (Constitution).

This country was established as a Republic because its founding fathers were against direct democracy (rule by majority). A brief look at the history would show that the US was a dumping ground for unwanted minority groups that were pushed around by the majority in the old country (Europe).

Let me quote a few founding fathers:

James Madison: "A pure democracy can admit no cure for the mischiefs of faction. A common passion or interest will be felt by a majority, and there is nothing to check the inducements to sacrifice the weaker party. Hence it is, that democracies have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have, in general, been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths."

John Witherspoon: "Pure democracy cannot subsist long nor be carried far into the departments of state ? it is very subject to caprice and the madness of popular rage."

Alexander Hamilton: "...a pure democracy if it were practicable would be the most perfect government. (but) Experience has proved that no position is more false than this. The ancient democracies in which the people themselves deliberated never possessed one good feature ofgovernment. Their very character was tyranny; their figure deformity..."


The American "system" and mentality, which evolved from such thinking, produced the culture today where we value individualism over collectivism. Look at our courts -- a single vote from the jury will over-power everyone else and throw the case out the window. In Europe the culture is different and trial by jury is not as common outside the UK (overall). In some EU countries they use judges and not commoners for the jury, because they value civic rights over natural rights (Bill of Rights) in their thinking. The American system s protects and benefits minority interests over the majority to a certain point.

It is not necessary to "stage" elections and put actors in office, when you already know the super-majority will be retained by the 2 popular parties, and both exists to continue the current political system. To say that there's some conspiracy at work is about as stupid as saying that McDonalds and Carl's Jr. conspire to sell Hamburgers. Like, duh, of course they want to sell you burgers, in the same way that both Republican and Democrat party want you to vote for them under the currentgovernment system, instead of over-throwing it.

If you're looking for something closer to a direct democracy, try Switzerland:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_in_Switzerland
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Re: These clips suggest that politics is staged

Postby Nostradamus » 06 Nov 2009, 06:37

Democracies are not scalable. That is why we use representatives to vote for us. Imagine everyone in the US having to vote on all issues at a national, state, county, town, and neighborhood levels. To avoid the daunting task we use representatives. Only villages can be democracies.
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