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Re: Let's Discuss Thermite

Postby Nostradamus » 29 Oct 2009, 22:06

It has taken quite a bit of time to try and locate some photos of molten metal at WTC, but I have located some information. I will try and get things organized and maybe I can get the photos posted tonight. It's the best I could do so far and it may not be what people expect, but it's what I got.
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Re: Let's Discuss Thermite

Postby Nostradamus » 30 Oct 2009, 09:31

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We'll begin with the class shot of the hot metal which is so often described as being molten.
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Re: Let's Discuss Thermite

Postby Nostradamus » 30 Oct 2009, 09:37

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The original image.
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I understand that Steve Jones no longer uses this version of the same photo to claim molten steel.
Title once used by Jones: Workers evidently peering into the hot “core” under the WTC rubble.
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Re: Let's Discuss Thermite

Postby Nostradamus » 30 Oct 2009, 09:44

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This is the famous hot spot NASA image next to the one taken a week later. And we have been told that these hot spots lasted for weeks. This is from Judy Wood.
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Re: Let's Discuss Thermite

Postby Nostradamus » 30 Oct 2009, 09:48

Judy Wood thinks that some of the images have been altered. Here is a photo.
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Now here is the alteration.
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Notice how the man's face is also altered.
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Re: Let's Discuss Thermite

Postby Nostradamus » 30 Oct 2009, 09:52

http://www.livevideo.com/video/676E10DC20704E1EB8DD84A73965AA10/more-thermite-proof-at-wtc-on-.aspx
This is the video where the firetruck drives through a sun illuminated dust and the claim is that the truck is driving through molten iron from thermite.
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Re: Let's Discuss Thermite

Postby Nostradamus » 30 Oct 2009, 09:58

Here are the best. Actual molten metals found at the WTC. I am taking the submitter's word for it. I have no evidence that this is really from the WTC.
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Title: A chunk of melted metal and glass found in the rubble after the 9/11 attacks

Whatever it is is unlikely to be steel. There is glass in the second piece.
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Re: Let's Discuss Thermite

Postby Nostradamus » 30 Oct 2009, 10:08

Even more interesting is an Italian website that discovers that a bank had a UPS, an uninterruptable power supply, set up near the site where the hot metal flows out of the window. He suggests that molten lead may account for the flow.

http://11-settembre.blogspot.com/2007/02/ups-on-81st-floor-of-wtc2.html
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Re: Let's Discuss Thermite

Postby Nostradamus » 30 Oct 2009, 11:33

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The label for this photo is: This mass of fused coins was recovered from the debris of the World Trade Center.
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Re: Let's Discuss Thermite

Postby ProfWag » 30 Oct 2009, 20:42

Well now, that should just about clear up any misconceptions about molten metal at the WTC. Great posts Nostradamus!
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Re: Let's Discuss Thermite

Postby Nostradamus » 30 Oct 2009, 20:56

I thought the WTC cross also had a blob of molten metal on it till I found photos from another site and saw that the attached metal wasn't a 'blob'. Not sure why it is attached.

I also left out photos of microspheres since I wasn't searching for dust, rather rather something on the order of tons of molten metal.
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Re: Let's Discuss Thermite

Postby Nostradamus » 30 Oct 2009, 21:02

I'll keep looking, but don't let this stop anyone else from posting photos of molten metal. Things to avoid:
1. Bent metal
2. Microscopic pieces
3. Slag chunks
4. Stained concrete

The goal here is to find evidence of the amount of molten metal at the WTC site. We need to get past the anecdotes of rivers of molten steel and actually see the solidified material so that the amount of molten steel can be estimated.
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Re: Let's Discuss Thermite

Postby ProfWag » 14 Nov 2009, 19:56

elizajohn12 wrote:Hi,
I am John and I am interested in finding facts associated with the collapse of the World trade centres. It is being debated whether or not the WTCs collapsed using thermite. Since I am not an engineer, I won't dispute that thermite could possibly bring down a building of that size, but the question I think we should care about is whether or not thermite was used in the collapse of the World trade centres on 9/11. If so, then the origin of that theory is most certainly important.
Edit added after my initial post: I believe that in due time through a discussion, then the technical aspects of thermite on the World trade centres will become important.

You have a good point John that has been hinted to in the past. Here are some facts that I have learned about the thermite and if I'm wrong, I would appreciate it if someone would correct me. Dr. Steve Jones was the first to find thermite. He received his sample from a lady who lived across the street from the WTC buildings. She mailed the samples to him approximately 2 weeks after the buildings fell. The lady who sent the samples had a boyfried who was an artist who appeared to have used welding material in his sculptures. Welding material can contain thermite. No one outside of Jone's camp has tested his thermite as he won't let anyone else test it. When evidence was presented to Dr. Jones that thermite could not have brought down those buildings, he came up with the super-thermite theory. Yea, okay.
Feel free to rip me to shreds on my evidence if it's incorrect.
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Re: Let's Discuss Thermite

Postby Nostradamus » 16 Nov 2009, 13:13

The thermite claims does appear to originate from Jones. Part of this was to explain the unsubstantiated claims of "tons of molten metal." You'd think big chunks of globular metal would be found. Nothing has been seen. I spent a considerable amount of time looking for photos and checked all sorts of CT sites without finding much. I found more than the CT sites had.

Part of the thermite claims also comes from the dust analysis work as ProfWag has pointed out. The analysis does not look at materials, but of element lists. The buildings were full of aluminum and iron. The buildings also contained gypsum in the form of wallboard. Gypsum is a sulfur containing compound. So thermite becomes thermate.

Part of the thermite claims might also originate from the so-called missing energy claims. In these claims people compare the volume of the dust clouds to the volumes of the buildings. Then the ideal gas law is applied to see how much energy must be used to see this sort of expansion. This involves a number of horrible assumptions and improperly used formulas to obtain a result that is trivial to refute.

Part of the thermite claims also might originate from the the lack of explosions in the collapse. Nanothermite is used to explain away the lack of explosions heard in other controlled demolitions.
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Re: Let's Discuss Thermite on 9/11

Postby Scepcop » 18 May 2012, 17:03

Here is Dr. Judy Wood on Coast to Coast explaining why directed energy weapons must have destroyed the WTC:

Former professor of Mechanical Engineering at Clemson University, Dr. Judy Wood discussed how the destruction of buildings in NYC on 9-11 was the result of directed energy technology, not planes, fire, thermite or bombs. In her book, Where Did the Towers Go?, she focuses on physical evidence, and has not speculated on whether the US government was involved in the attacks. The official story of the Towers' "pancaking" down, and the lack of subsequent debris doesn't fit with the explanation of fire, or even theorized controlled demolitions, she said. And "planes cannot turn buildings into powder in midair and leave no remains," she added.

She cited the exactitude of the damage-- the 47-story Building 7 collapsed, but the Post Office across the street "didn't get a scratch on it." And a police car had abrupt boundaries of damage-- the front half melted, while the back half appeared untouched-- "fire doesn't do that," she noted.

From her studies, Wood concluded that a kind of (weaponized) free energy technology was employed in the WTC attacks, similar to the Hutchison Effect or Tesla technology. Tesla had wanted to share this technology 100 years ago, but was afraid it would be used for evil, she commented. She described the technology as a "magnetic electro-gravitic nuclear reaction" that interferes with energy fields, and suggested it might have also been used in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing.

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