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Re: Let's Discuss Thermite

Postby brett » 27 Oct 2009, 06:40

ProfWag wrote:
brett wrote:
this may help :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDh-2DtGMB0&feature=related

but frankly - i would rather believe these guyshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqNugYbZX7E&feature=related

as always judge for yourself ;)

As mentioned, the firefighters in the video you provided are most assuradely telling the truth. But again, could what they have seen not been from the airplane which is the explanation that I have presented? I had seen that first video before so I didn't re-watch it, but I still don't remember anyone mentioning how much "molten lava" they saw. Again, very easily explained as airplane aluminum.


deep in the basements of the towers AND WTC 7 ?? sooo how did that get there then ?? - note what the fire fighter said "like in a foundry " which suggests quantity ?? - and dont forget any molten metal from the planes would have gotten dispersed when the towers fell - and aluminiom cools a lot quicker ( disapates heat better )roughly at a ratio of 4 to 1 better than steel ( in air ) - so blobs around the place yes , but deep down weeks later ????

an artical here is worth reading relating to ali in fires http://www.afsa.org.za/Portals/0/Documents/afsa%20publicaton/Aluminium-and-Fire.pdf

so may be a little "too easily" explained ??
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Re: Let's Discuss Thermite

Postby Nostradamus » 27 Oct 2009, 21:12

I've been looking and looking for places where there is a photo of molten metal or hardened molten metal from the WTC site. Nothing. All I can find are witnesses who attest to sometimes huge amounts of molten "steel" or "metal." Yet, not one lump of metal is shown. Is anyone any better at finding these photos?
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Re: Let's Discuss Thermite

Postby Nostradamus » 27 Oct 2009, 21:38

I did find a video where they are disputing a comment by John Gross where he says no lumps of once molten steel were found. Then it cuts to the firefighters and then to someone that points to a block of fused material. Even in the video you can see that there is a piece of metal sticking out of the lump - a piece that never melted. The lump is also described as "like a chunk of lava from ... sharp but breakable shards on the end here." So clearly the material seen on the surface is not steel. It's friable and looks like slag of some sort. The question is, is there evidence of molten metal inside of the slag.

Later on there is the cross scene. There are 2 beams welded together. The speaker says that the material draped over the cross was melted metal. It looks like something other than steel. It's composition is not stated.

The bulk of the video is that the fires in the rubble were hot for a long period of time.

Gross points out that steel melts at 2600F. The person asking the questions claims there are videos of molten steel and he shows a NASA image claiming that the image shows temperatures of 2600F. The remote sensing image he shows does not have any temperatures on it even close to 2600F.

So there is a claim posted by this video that there is a video showing molten steel. Odd they didn't put it into this video.
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Re: Let's Discuss Thermite

Postby ProfWag » 27 Oct 2009, 21:58

Who knows why we can't find a picture or video of that molten lava flow. I did just find an interesting tidbit, the facade of the WTC was made of, guess what, aluminum. So, my theory of the airplane may be debunked but it appears there is yet another possibility that what was seen was not steel...
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Re: Let's Discuss Thermite

Postby Nostradamus » 27 Oct 2009, 22:19

The facade was aluminum. When Gage points to the "steel" being "instantly accelerated" he is pointing to pieces of aluminum facade. Every time I think of the term "instantly accelerated" I chuckle, because it is an uneducated use of the term accelerate.

The only facade that could have melted was the facade that was pushed into the building. That was not much compared to the plane.
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Re: Let's Discuss Thermite

Postby Nostradamus » 28 Oct 2009, 20:42

I have been looking for photos of molten metal and it seems that all I can find is that one where molten material pours out of one of the towers right before it collapses. I also found a photo of a shovel digging up something glowing. There are tantalizing claims of videos and photos of molten metal, but so far I've come up blank.

I would think that the molten metal would be found in the debris removal process. Some chunks of slag and compressed floors are posted. A close up of floors shows bits of uncharred paper and other office materials mixed in so that can't be from molten metal.

Any help here would be appreciated.
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Re: Let's Discuss Thermite

Postby ProfWag » 28 Oct 2009, 20:45

Nostradamus wrote:I have been looking for photos of molten metal and it seems that all I can find is that one where molten material pours out of one of the towers right before it collapses. I also found a photo of a shovel digging up something glowing. There are tantalizing claims of videos and photos of molten metal, but so far I've come up blank.

I would think that the molten metal would be found in the debris removal process. Some chunks of slag and compressed floors are posted. A close up of floors shows bits of uncharred paper and other office materials mixed in so that can't be from molten metal.

Any help here would be appreciated.

I would also like to see it! Should we hold our breath in anticipation of these pictures/videos Nostradamus?
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Re: Let's Discuss Thermite

Postby Nostradamus » 28 Oct 2009, 21:09

Image

This photo claims to be a photo of rivers of molten metal at ground level. The rivers are the yellow lines on the right edge of the image. If this is molten metal and it is at ground level, then where are the photos of the hardened metal?

To me, I see no difference between the foreground fires and the background fires other than perspective.

I have no idea where this photo was taken other than it is at the WTC. A truck appears to have made it to the site so that might suggest that this is not the debris pile, but fallen material nearby.

It seems that there is quite a bit of paper in the photo. That material autoignites at 450F. So why doesn't the paper autoignite if there is molten metal in the area?
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Re: Let's Discuss Thermite

Postby brett » 28 Oct 2009, 23:18

Nostradamus wrote:Image

This photo claims to be a photo of rivers of molten metal at ground level. The rivers are the yellow lines on the right edge of the image. If this is molten metal and it is at ground level, then where are the photos of the hardened metal?

To me, I see no difference between the foreground fires and the background fires other than perspective.

I have no idea where this photo was taken other than it is at the WTC. A truck appears to have made it to the site so that might suggest that this is not the debris pile, but fallen material nearby.

It seems that there is quite a bit of paper in the photo. That material autoignites at 450F. So why doesn't the paper autoignite if there is molten metal in the area?



To me, I see no difference between the foreground fires and the background fires other than perspective.


well i can - but then again you probably have not had a lot of dealings with fires ??

I have no idea where this photo was taken other than it is at the WTC. A truck appears to have made it to the site so that might suggest that this is not the debris pile, but fallen material nearby.


er that's a fire engine - and i would imagine that it must be pretty close to GZ ? its obviously wrecked
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Re: Let's Discuss Thermite

Postby Nostradamus » 29 Oct 2009, 01:05

well i can - but then again you probably have not had a lot of dealings with fires ??


I'm not a fireman, but if you have expertise on it I'd like to hear.

So if the firetruck is wrecked any idea why someone is at the right hand door?
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Re: Let's Discuss Thermite

Postby NinjaPuppy » 29 Oct 2009, 01:33

Nostradamus wrote:I'm not a fireman, but if you have expertise on it I'd like to hear.

So if the firetruck is wrecked any idea why someone is at the right hand door?

I'm not a fireman, but one possible reason in NYC would be trying to salvage anything worth while or even looting.
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Re: Let's Discuss Thermite

Postby brett » 29 Oct 2009, 03:38

Nostradamus wrote:
well i can - but then again you probably have not had a lot of dealings with fires ??


I'm not a fireman, but if you have expertise on it I'd like to hear.

So if the firetruck is wrecked any idea why someone is at the right hand door?



well 22+ years in the job + attendance at the world renowned fire service college at Morton in marsh (UK ) , ( where i met with other fire fighters of many nations on several occasions ) and one of the courses attended was hazardous chemicals - which had input on metal fires and how to tackle them + extensive personal reading and work , as one does not get to be a ( now retired ) station commander if you don't know your stuff , so yea i have some small expertise you could say ;)

WELL IF YOU CAN SEE SOMEONE BY THE RIGHT HAND DOOR - YOU MUST BE PSYCHIC - I have blown up the photo and don't see any one , but the truck number ( looks to me like 212 ) will be easy enough to check with the NYFD ** , who lost 50+ pumping and aerial appliances ,and some 50+ other vehicles that day + if you look at the photos of the investigation facility posted by prof wag , you will see quite a lot of them where recovered ( pity the pics when 't closer as we could have probably spotted the truck in question ) - so again i would say yea - that truck was totaled !!

** and if you are too idol to do so ,i am quite happy to email the NYFD and find out the history of that vehicle and what happened to it - but of course as you are a seeker of truth you will get right on it won't you ?? ;)
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Re: Let's Discuss Thermite

Postby Nostradamus » 29 Oct 2009, 07:12

I can see I was hit by the power of pareidolia. Thanks for pointing that out. With the images being such low quality it is simple to misinterpret what is in them.

I am too lazy to find out what happened to the truck in question. I really don't see anything of interest I would learn by knowing whether or not the truck ended up as scrap or as a useful vehicle.

Thanks brett.
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Re: Let's Discuss Thermite

Postby NinjaPuppy » 29 Oct 2009, 07:25

I tried to Google "fire truck 212 new york city" to see if there might be a mention of it. Considering that 212 is the NYC telephone area code.... that isn't going to work. Every mention of fire truck has 212 attached to it.

There is an engine company 212 that is about to be shut down by the city but no mention of 911.

Here's is a website of FDNY fire trucks: http://www.fdnytrucks.com/. Nice pics.
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Re: Let's Discuss Thermite

Postby brett » 29 Oct 2009, 15:30

yep - i have to hand it to the americans - they have some real nice trucks - and i watched a program on "how it's made" about how they build them - tough as old boots :D
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