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Re: Stood directly under the tower but sees no plane

Postby brett » 26 Oct 2009, 14:17

yes a very good summation nostradamus - have you noted that AIS has failed to answer my direct question :as to what he is - vis truther - skeptic - government disinfo agent etc ?? - or where he has supposedly written about 9/11 - so just WHAT is his agenda here ?? - i am beginning to wonder if there are some who just wish to disrupt this forum by endless posting of irrelevant you tube videos etc
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Re: Stood directly under the tower but sees no plane

Postby Nostradamus » 26 Oct 2009, 21:00

Thanks Brett. AIS says little and makes grandiose unsubstantiated claims. My guess is that this was a cover for someone who is making an attempt to flex a little muscle and is quickly learning that many people out there actually have done quite a bit of investigation into various subjects.

I hope that during the 3 day R and R for AIS he begins to realize that these are very complicated issues and that simply posting videos with no substantiating evidence or discussion is pointless. I'm expecting to hear something like my iPhone has a program (whatever they are called on the iPhone) that does a compass and level so of course they could be installed on the cameras. What won't be understood is the required digits of precision or the latency. The latter is how quickly the position is reported back to the rendering system. In VE, virtual environments, latency results in 'swimming'. This is where the user sees a turbulent swirling mess that does not match the motions they are making. There is a disconnect between our vestibular, kinesthetic, and proprioceptive senses and the visual feedback. In augmented reality there is a lack of registration between the real world and the augmented reality displays. Another big issue here is noise. Getting sensors to work in a controlled environment is tricky. Getting them to work in the real world is difficult.
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Re: The TV fakery of 9/11

Postby Scepcop » 10 Nov 2010, 01:28

ProfWag wrote:
Scepcop wrote:ProfWag,
So how do you explain the plane's nose coming out the other side?

How many witnesses were near WTC that day and said they saw no plane?

The September Clues film is confusing. Eventually it gets into too many lines and angles and loses me there as to what the point is or where the discrepancy is.

What nose came out the other side? It's called "debris." It does not match up with how a missle would look coming out. Also, why don't you look at that evidence from another direction. Clearly shows debris. That is a very unfactual and misleading film.
How many witnesses say they didn't see a plane is unknown to me. I'm sure there are people who weren't looking up in the sky. There were many that did see it however. How many saw a missle? Oh, yea, none.


See the videos. The nose does come out the other side of the building in the wide angle shot of it. How do you know that image wasn't superimposed into the shot?

How do you know there were many witnesses who saw the plane? You were TOLD that by the media. The number of NAMED eyewitnesses to the second plane are a lot fewer than you think.

Also, how does aluminum cut through steel like butter? That's physically impossible.

See this:



Also, what's the probability of four airliners crashing on the same day and leaving no significant visible debris and zero debris to analyze? Perhaps zero? Especially when that's NEVER happened before or after 9/11.
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Re: The TV fakery of 9/11

Postby Scepcop » 10 Nov 2010, 01:40

ProfWag wrote:The ball is in our court? I think you hit the ball way out of bounds and can't be retrieved. The "evedince" has been convincingly disputed, many times over. There were many, many witnesses to airplanes, There are many, many videos. Tthere was wreckage found, There were body parts from the passengers found, and I can go on and on. The no-plane theory is based on blind belief. It's a very, very irrational theory.


Why are you using double standards? You say that video is not evidence of ghosts, UFO's or bigfoot, yet in this case, it is evidence? Why?

You skeptics said before that video is too easy to fake.

How do you know all these things? You were simply told them. The "there were many who saw the plane" is just a sentence, not a verifiable fact. There was no wreckage seen. It's all in WORDS, not in physical evidence. The debris to examine is ZERO.

The insurance companies paid out billions without being able to analyze the wreckage. If you wrecked your car, your insurance company would want to see it before processing your claim.
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