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Re: Jesse Ventura slams reporters about 9/11 (Wow he's the man!)

Postby ciscop » 07 Apr 2010, 14:17

dude.. you have a psi wheel and believe youtube videos of pk are real

any scientific credentials you think you have are invalidaded thru that
just same boring nonsense from your camp
i know the paranormal is exciting i have a big library on it
i was obsessed with all that stuff before discovering i could fake it
and realizing most people on the field are just gullible, innocent and in some cases.. just stupid
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Re: Jesse Ventura slams reporters about 9/11 (Wow he's the man!)

Postby NucleicAcid » 07 Apr 2010, 23:33

Look. I've studied this stuff for a really long time. I know exactly how to fake every single type of telekinesis. I know which ones on the net are fake.

This is not some instance of me falling for videos on the net because I want to believe. I'm not gullible. I've done it myself, and I've had people do it in front of me, and I've collaborated with people running scientific tests. I used to be more credulous, then I got burned, and that's what keeps me erring on the side of non-psi, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. I think something similar happened to you, but you didn't have enough unexplainable things happen to you in order to hang on to the belief.

If I continue down this path, and the pool of evidence dries up, I'll throw in the towel. I'd be so disappointed, but I'm a scientist by nature, I would have to accept the evidence. But ever time I go to see if I can still prove it to myself, it works.

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Re: Jesse Ventura slams reporters about 9/11 (Wow he's the man!)

Postby ProfWag » 07 Apr 2010, 23:41

NucleicAcid wrote:Did I criticize you?

I think it's human nature to feel defensive when an opinion is criticized. I apologize to you as no, you didn't criticize me. You criticized my post and there IS a difference I didn't recognize. Sorry.
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Re: Jesse Ventura slams reporters about 9/11 (Wow he's the man!)

Postby NucleicAcid » 08 Apr 2010, 00:14

It's cool :) I was just intrigued from a psychology point of view because I'm super defensive myself.
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Re: Jesse Ventura slams reporters about 9/11 (Wow he's the man!)

Postby ProfWag » 08 Apr 2010, 01:55

NucleicAcid wrote:Look. I've studied this stuff for a really long time. I know exactly how to fake every single type of telekinesis. I know which ones on the net are fake.


Could you point me to one that is not faked? I've looked in the past and never found one.
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Re: Jesse Ventura slams reporters about 9/11 (Wow he's the man!)

Postby NucleicAcid » 08 Apr 2010, 02:13

This one is not fake. It's not wind. There is a possibility that a vibration knocked it over, but it is unlikely, as the pen is on a solid oak desk.
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Re: Jesse Ventura slams reporters about 9/11 (Wow he's the man!)

Postby ProfWag » 08 Apr 2010, 04:12

ProfWag wrote:
NucleicAcid wrote:Look. I've studied this stuff for a really long time. I know exactly how to fake every single type of telekinesis. I know which ones on the net are fake.


Could you point me to one that is not faked? I've looked in the past and never found one.

NucleicAcid wrote:This one is not fake. It's not wind. There is a possibility that a vibration knocked it over, but it is unlikely, as the pen is on a solid oak desk.


Uhhhhhhh, I rest my case.
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Re: Jesse Ventura slams reporters about 9/11 (Wow he's the man!)

Postby NucleicAcid » 08 Apr 2010, 04:40

What the hell do you mean? I know for a FACT it's not faked. Would you like to know how I know with 100% certainty? Ask me, ProfWag, how I know it's not fake.

(and vibration is very unlikely)

Ask me how I know vibration didn't do it.
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Re: Jesse Ventura slams reporters about 9/11 (Wow he's the man!)

Postby ciscop » 08 Apr 2010, 04:47



This is also not fake..
there´s a possibility he is using wires and the moving background makes it impossible for us to focus and see them.. but nah
it´s not fake

ask me how i know is not fake!
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Re: Jesse Ventura slams reporters about 9/11 (Wow he's the man!)

Postby NucleicAcid » 08 Apr 2010, 04:50

You asked for a video of telekinesis that is not fake or a magic trick. I showed you a video of that description.

I'm in that room right now. That's my close friend. He's done several times before, including in front of me. I've set the pen on the desk and whacked it in all sorts of ways, blown air at it, and it takes a good deal of force for it to fall over by happenstance. But it's certain that it is not fake, magic trick, gimmick, invisible thread, air blowing, or anything intentionally done doing physical means.

And I am curious about your semantics. How is that not fake? It's deliberately a magic trick. Magic trick = fake.
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Re: Jesse Ventura slams reporters about 9/11 (Wow he's the man!)

Postby ciscop » 08 Apr 2010, 05:48

what?!?!?1
is not fake!!
i know it in my heart cause i saw him 3 TIMES !
hahahaha :lol:

just because you failed to see it
doesnt translate to IS GOTTA BE real


look at this
how do you think he is doing it?
it´s not invisible thread, the nut and the bolt are not gimmicked.. yet there´s something
just because you dont know, it doesnt mean is real
it just mean you didnt see it

you dont really know what to look for
to avoid trickery

that´s my whole point
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Re: Jesse Ventura slams reporters about 9/11 (Wow he's the man!)

Postby NucleicAcid » 08 Apr 2010, 06:34

There is a big difference between seeing something on a video, or on the street or in a magic show, and setting up the object yourself and having your best friend do it RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU. Or doing it yourself (he's better at it than me, I can only move the psiwheel). We've BOTH used invisible thread. We've both worked with magicians, gone to magic shows together, critiqued their performances, etc. Not to mention he's one of my CLOSEST FRIENDS and he wouldn't like to me (he's right next to me reading this as I'm typing).

He actually is often extremely skeptical, he thinks it's most likely some extraneous source of movement, though I will usually set the object up and make sure it's stable for about an hour before he tries to move it.

I've already mentioned I'm not 100% sure it's even telekinesis, it could theoretically still be vibration or something else.

But it's not a trick.

Could you point me to one that is not faked? I've looked in the past and never found one.


That's exactly what Prof Wag asked for, and that's what I provided. Call it coincidence, call it air movement, it's not fake.
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Re: Jesse Ventura slams reporters about 9/11 (Wow he's the man!)

Postby ciscop » 08 Apr 2010, 07:38

it isnt fake, we dont know what is that
but is not TK
that´s would be the ULTIMATE possible explanation
since science has no room for tk at the moment, lets rule out the simple explanation first
something you didnt see or spotted.
friends can lie, your senses arent perfect (nor nobody)

there´s plenty more things that could have happened

now.. i just did that experiment here in the office
the pen just fell.. it was in another desk
but it happened after 10minutes.. i actually forgot i put it there..
so could it be that your friend is tricking me or that there was air movement?
i just know the pen just felt.. it was actually kind of funny

in your case,
like i said you dont know what to look for
just like the baboons, i mean parapsychologist that studied Uri or the ones that studied banachek and john edwards
that didnt know they were getting tricked by master magicians..
really
dont rule out trickery

or simple explanations my pen just falled, yet nobody entered the office
it was kind of cool.. did the ink went down thus making the pen fall?..
i dont know,
it was cool

but TK is the ultimate explanation
try it again.. put a different kind of pen with a wider base
also.. why a pen?
he could actually move anything isnt it?
or those is gotta be something that is balancing so if it falls he gets to say he did it?
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Re: Jesse Ventura slams reporters about 9/11 (Wow he's the man!)

Postby NucleicAcid » 08 Apr 2010, 09:18

Well of course, obviously all those things are true. Except trickery.

But my point is, Prof Wag asked for a video of telekinesis that isn't fake. I provided one that I believed to the best of my knowledge to not be fake. You have to start somewhere. If it were one pen, once, then it's probably a fluke. Twice, sure. Several pens, also screwdrivers, dumbbells, geiger counters, and the infamous psi wheel, well now you're building an evidence case. Phenomena often don't have a known mechanism until after they are established.

If you're going to ask "Show me a video that isn't fake" and then promptly declare all videos that are shown are fake, then what is the point? But you asked for one in good faith, and that's what I gave. Otherwise, you're all just pseudoskeptics, antithetical to the whole point of this forum, and a waste of everyone's time.
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Re: Jesse Ventura slams reporters about 9/11 (Wow he's the man!)

Postby Nostradamus » 08 Apr 2010, 10:07

Otherwise, you're all just pseudoskeptics, antithetical to the whole point of this forum, and a waste of everyone's time.

I think that's stretching things a bit.

I did enjoy the videos. I think the magic acts was done with more flair, but both were interesting.
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