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Scientific Flow Charts show proof of controlled demolition!

Postby Scepcop » 12 Oct 2009, 15:18

Here are the flowcharts from AE911Truth.org that I received in the mail with the DVD I ordered from them. They came in the packet and were extremely convincing and ironclad. Browsing their website, I found an online version of the flow charts I received. Here they are below.

If you watch the film I keep telling everyone about, "9/11 Blueprint for Truth" it will go over each feature of the flow charts step by step with explanations and examples. What more could you ask for? As you can see, it constitutes "proof beyond a reasonable doubt".

Are any of you able to view this with 100 percent objectivity rather than a mindset that only accepts evidence that fits into an a priori hypothesis?


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Re: Scientific Flow Charts show proof of controlled demolition!

Postby Scepcop » 12 Oct 2009, 15:24

Are you able to view the above flow charts with complete objectivity? Why or why not? Or only with a mindset that only sees what it wants to see? As of today 926 architects and engineers have endorsed the presentation outlined in the flow charts above. See here: http://www.ae911truth.org
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Re: Scientific Flow Charts show proof of controlled demolition!

Postby Nostradamus » 12 Oct 2009, 20:27

These are diagrams from a fraud who misrepresents the events of that day. These diagrams are based ont he logical fallacy of begging the question.
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Re: Scientific Flow Charts show proof of controlled demolition!

Postby Nostradamus » 12 Oct 2009, 21:18

Let's look at an explosion that happened that day.

I don't know where Joe Casaliggi (video shown by Gage) stands today, but he said

The lobby actually looked like the plane hit the lobby. From what I understand, I was told afterwards, that a fireball shot down the elevator shaft and blew out all the windows in the lobby and blew out the elevator doors.


There's one of the explosions.

A quote from David Kravette a managing director of Cantor Fitzgerald.

I saw a couple of elevators in free fall; you could hear them whizzing down and as they crashed, there was this huge explosion, like a fireball exploding out of the bank of elevators,'' Kravette said. People were engulfed in flames.


A quote from Mike Pecoraro, Stationary Engineer at the WTC.

When I walked out into the lobby, it was incredible," he recalled. "The whole lobby was soot and black, elevator doors were missing. The marble was missing off some of the walls. 20-foot section of marble, 20 by 10 foot sections of marble, gone from the walls.


Yes there were explosions that day, but not CD. To mix these accounts around so that he can pretend some fallacy is terrible. Gage is a fraud.
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Re: Scientific Flow Charts show proof of controlled demolition!

Postby NinjaPuppy » 12 Oct 2009, 22:06

I was told afterwards, that a fireball shot down the elevator shaft and blew out all the windows in the lobby and blew out the elevator doors.


This was the most common thing told by those who survived. Others stated that the smell of jet fuel and/or liquid flowed down those elevator shafts. Of course, I have no idea if the second statement is accurate.
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Re: Scientific Flow Charts show proof of controlled demolition!

Postby Scepcop » 13 Oct 2009, 16:55

Nostradamus wrote:These are diagrams from a fraud who misrepresents the events of that day. These diagrams are based ont he logical fallacy of begging the question.


Do you have proof that he's a fraud? Or are you just making baseless and slanderous accusations?

He seems pretty honest and sincere to me, and I'm a good judge of character.

If he was a fraud, then how come structural engineers with 30 years of experience have endorsed him and signed their name to it? Don't you think they know more than you about this? What qualifies you over them?

Lots of people heard explosions. Most of them don't say it was due to a fireball. Remember the mainstream media heard them too. They heard the explosions from outside.

But that's just one piece of the puzzle. There are many more.

Show us proof that the features of the collapses FIT that of a fire induced hypothesis. Otherwise, the flow chart is pretty ironclad in its conclusion.
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Re: Scientific Flow Charts show proof of controlled demolition!

Postby Nostradamus » 13 Oct 2009, 22:05

Do you have proof that he's a fraud? Or are you just making baseless and slanderous accusations?

He seems pretty honest and sincere to me, and I'm a good judge of character.

If he was a fraud, then how come structural engineers with 30 years of experience have endorsed him and signed their name to it? Don't you think they know more than you about this? What qualifies you over them?

Lots of people heard explosions. Most of them don't say it was due to a fireball. Remember the mainstream media heard them too. They heard the explosions from outside.

But that's just one piece of the puzzle. There are many more.

Show us proof that the features of the collapses FIT that of a fire induced hypothesis. Otherwise, the flow chart is pretty ironclad in its conclusion.


I pointed out numerous lies that he touts in his presentations including the recent one posted here. He knows these are falsehoods.
Apparently your judge of character did not work here.

The explosions were not CD. Loud sounds are not explosions. People use the word explosion loosely. But we've been over this many times.

The flow chart as you call it is all based on lies as I've already pointed out. Ironclad? What a ridiculous claim!
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Re: Scientific Flow Charts show proof of controlled demolition!

Postby ProfWag » 14 Oct 2009, 23:14

Scepcop wrote:
Show us proof that the features of the collapses FIT that of a fire induced hypothesis. Otherwise, the flow chart is pretty ironclad in its conclusion.

Scepcop, here is the proof you ask for. It is from the peer reviewed Journal of Engineering Mechanics. It is a little more technical than your "ironclad" flowchart, but hopefully you can grasp what it is saying. http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/Bazant_ ... Did_No.pdf

Also, the people who wrote this seem to be "likeable, professional, honest, sincere and convincing" :-)
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Re: Scientific Flow Charts show proof of controlled demolition!

Postby Nostradamus » 15 Oct 2009, 00:50

Problem with the link. Is this what you wanted ProfWag?

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/Bazant_WTC_Collapse_What_Did__Did_No.pdf
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Re: Scientific Flow Charts show proof of controlled demolition!

Postby ProfWag » 15 Oct 2009, 01:39

Nostradamus wrote:Problem with the link. Is this what you wanted ProfWag?

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/Bazant_WTC_Collapse_What_Did__Did_No.pdf

That be the one. Thanks!
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Re: Scientific Flow Charts show proof of controlled demolition!

Postby NinjaPuppy » 15 Oct 2009, 02:32

Nostradamus wrote:Problem with the link. Is this what you wanted ProfWag?

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/Bazant_WTC_Collapse_What_Did__Did_No.pdf


linked article wrote:Note, though, that only 1% of the columns from the
fire stories were examined.
Consequently, NIST cautioned that the findings from paint cracking
test and annealing studies are not indicative of the steel temperature in the fire stories. Thus,
although very high steel temperature are likely, there is no direct evidence. But are high steel
temperatures really necessary to explain collapse?
Not really.
The initial speculation that very high temperatures were necessary to explain
collapse must be now revised since tests revealed a strong temperature effect on the yield
strength of the steel used.


OK, back to the video I'm watching, that I wanted a break from..... but obviously that isn't going to happen as this hit my eye......

The bold text is similar to claims in the video, and the video is only asking for further investigation. Also, I bolded the answer, "Not really." Not really??? Now there's a real technical answer. Totally scienticfic, right? IMO, not really. :lol:

The bottom line here folks is that we can debate all we want. Go ahead and discuss every pickyoon detail of what that guy in the video (btw, who the hell is he? Gage? It doesn't say anywhere in text on the YouTube website page, and I'll be darned if I can remember if he introduced himself in the begining) says, and examine his every word for errors, lies, misnomers, flaws, falsehoods, etc. A group asking for further investigation into this, claiming that there are questions still to be answered is not and off the wall request in light of the information he presents. Does it really matter if the interview clips are of people in total shock and disbelief of what they just witnessed? Not in my book baby! If there ever was an event in this country that demands that further investigation take place until each and every citizen is satisfied, I'd say this is THE ONE!
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Re: Scientific Flow Charts show proof of controlled demolition!

Postby ProfWag » 15 Oct 2009, 02:54

NinjaPuppy wrote:[
If there ever was an event in this country that demands that further investigation take place until each and every citizen is satisfied, I'd say this is THE ONE!

I don't necessarily disagree with you NinjaPuppy, but just what do you think they should be investigating? Everything about that day has been investigated. Could there be a cover up as to what the Government knew about potential terrorst targets in the US prior to 9/11? Absolutely! Will we ever know everything? Absolutely Not!
It's almost like Truthers know the government has a secret and they don't like it and want to know what they are and won't stop until they get to hear a secret. I played that game in 2nd grade myself, then I moved on to other things.
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Re: Scientific Flow Charts show proof of controlled demolition!

Postby NinjaPuppy » 15 Oct 2009, 04:48

ProfWag wrote:
NinjaPuppy wrote:[
If there ever was an event in this country that demands that further investigation take place until each and every citizen is satisfied, I'd say this is THE ONE!

I don't necessarily disagree with you NinjaPuppy, but just what do you think they should be investigating? Everything about that day has been investigated. Could there be a cover up as to what the Government knew about potential terrorst targets in the US prior to 9/11? Absolutely! Will we ever know everything? Absolutely Not!
It's almost like Truthers know the government has a secret and they don't like it and want to know what they are and won't stop until they get to hear a secret. I played that game in 2nd grade myself, then I moved on to other things.


Nah, I'm not talking about some government involvement or cover up here. I'm talking about answering some specific questions regarding the findings of thermite and thermate in the ruins and why building 7 collapsed why it did. They never seemed to address anything about building 7. A lot of the eyewitness claims I can certainly understand as shock or using the best word that person could come up with in their description at the time. One persons 'explosion' is another's 'bang' or 'noise'. At one point I had wondered if what was being pointed out as 'squibs' (what looked like mini explosions with puffs of smoke coming out of the widows of lower floors) might have been trapped people busting out windows in a last ditch effort to survive, prior to the top of the building banging down, creating one hell of an air flow (smoke) coming out of those busted windows. That also seemed like a possible explanation of what he was showing from the video.

Even if they can explain fully how a 110 story building could be reduced to a talc like powder with so little debris. Or even how bone fragments wound up on the roof of an adjacent building. Something, anything. Too many questions are unanswered. Of course I haven't read the 9/11 report and I don't intend to at this point in my life and those questions may actually be addressed in there but once again, I see nothing wrong in asking for more investigation into some of these questions.
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Re: Scientific Flow Charts show proof of controlled demolition!

Postby ProfWag » 15 Oct 2009, 05:29

Ahhh, I see watchya mean Ninja. Just remember that the world had never experienced what happened on 9/11 before so mass confusion was bound to happen. With all of the stress, shock, anger, etc. that happend, who knows what really happened that day and we will probably never know every detail. I am pretty confident, however, that it was a bunch of terrorists who successfully hijacked 4 planes and the rest, as they say, is history.
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Re: Scientific Flow Charts show proof of controlled demolition!

Postby Nostradamus » 15 Oct 2009, 06:55

I could copy and paste from other places on the web or I can just have you read this page about the so-called squibs and you can decide for yourself about squibs.
http://www.debunking911.com/overp.htm
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