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Re: Sign these petitions for a new REAL 9/11 investigation!

Postby Misha » 26 Sep 2012, 06:12

ProfWag wrote:
Misha wrote:So who did it? The best answer I can give you is one of years of research. It calls for you understand how classified programs (still learning this) work. It calls for you to understand what an SAP (Special access program) is. It calls for you to understand how TS/SCI works. It calls for you to understand choke points in any given operation. It calls for you to understand sweeping. It calls for understanding CYA (cover your ass). It calls for you to understand what a "false flag" and a "limited hangout" is. It calls for you to understand military/industrial corporate power. It calls for you to understand the historical context of other controversial events which have the same modus operadi. And what I think is the most important of all. It calls for understanding that our major/corporate media is controlled.

Or maybe, just maybe , it was 20 terrorists who hated what American stands for, were ordered to take pilot lessons, hijack some planes, fly them into the buildings, and let the laws of physics take over from there. Just a thought... :shock:


Now that's a good conspiracy theory. Now go out and sell that and keep a straight face :oops:
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Re: Sign these petitions for a new REAL 9/11 investigation!

Postby NinjaPuppy » 26 Sep 2012, 07:28

Misha wrote: Also, If I am a "conspiracy theorist" then what does that make you? Do I call you a "conspiracy irrationalist?"

Believe it or not, ProfWag has been outted as a government disinformation specialist assigned to these forums. At least that's what SCEPCOP says he is. :lol:

Misha wrote:Let's not beat around the barn. In today's society calling someone a "conspiracy theorist" is tantamount to calling them delusional. I have even queried people on this tag and that is the answer I usually get. Also, you implicitly project I am not open by illustrating that Ninja is open because you know her. How do you know I am not open? Is it fair to imply I an not when you don't know me? Now as for a "good conspiracy" that's a matter of perspective. I would think a "good truth" is far better no matter where it falls.

Excellent point. Just because someone doesn't fall for the "Official" version of a series of events doesn't make them a conspiracy theorist. I have a bigger problem with those who don't question the gray areas.
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Re: Sign these petitions for a new REAL 9/11 investigation!

Postby Arouet » 26 Sep 2012, 09:27

The other side of it though is that there are always going to be grey areas. The "official version" is the goverment's synopsis of what happened. But at essence its history - which is an inexact science even when reporting on things that happened 5 minutes ago! There are always going to be discrepancies here or there - discrepancies don't always equate cover-up. Though sometimes they do.
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Re: Sign these petitions for a new REAL 9/11 investigation!

Postby SydneyPSIder » 26 Sep 2012, 15:34

ProfWag wrote:
SydneyPSIder wrote:wow, it's that easy.... Imagine how easy it was when it was constructed all at once to a pattern in the 70s and you have complete access to the blueprints.


So you're wanting me to believe, Sydney, that "it's that easy" when no building higher than 26 stories has ever been leveled, yet you want us to believe that top government officials (or anyone else for that matter) was able to bring down 2 buildings 4 times that high and a 3rd building almost twice as high, and it's never been done before or since? And no one, not one person, has come forward saying they saw any rigging of explosives? And it was timed for the same day as the planes? My common sense is getting the best of me so I really would appreciate some kind of explanation as to just how that could be...

The height of the buildings is irrelevant. It's just the same explosives wiring every 10m all the way to the top. It just happens no-one has ever demolished any of the world's tallest skyscrapers yet (at least not until that day.)

Of course it was timed for the same day as the 'planes'. I'm even tending towards some of the 'no planer' arguments on the face of the footage of eyewitnesses. First, the first impact nobody was expecting, so you could have just rigged up explosives and faked some Adobe Effects footage of a plane hitting the building -- hence the preoccupation of some researchers suggesting you can see the plane just 'melting' into the building without crumpling or wreckage falling off in the few video shots that were taken and supplied from 'somewhere'.

The second plane was observed as many people were obviously going to be watching the towers by then. However, many eyewitness accounts were of a 'military plane', a 'grey plane with no windows' etc like a freight carrier -- or possibly a remote controlled plane. You hear it in the eyewitness accounts in the videos. This scenario would require no suicide pilots, i.e. none of the conspirators and agents are being asked to give up their lives. Least of all no-one was on the plane.

Remember a couple of the tailplanes ID numbers have been snapped at airports since, still flying -- this is bizarre and creepy and implies they were not destroyed -- i.e. when the 'hijackers' switched the transponders off conveniently just inside the ATC radar dead zones as they flew way of course for ages withou interception (and how did incompetent Cessna pilots even know how to do that? What do you see when look in a 757 cockpit vs a Cessna?) it is believed they may have landed the planes at a nearby airport and disembarked the passengers -- who may have been herded onto a waiting Flight 93 which was filling up with a couple of planeloads one quarter full by then.

The 'third plane' that hit the Pentagon was a missile of some sort.

The 'fourth plane' -- Flight 93 -- was shot down by the USAF over Shanksville PA, and may have been full of all the passengers transferred off the other flights -- and it may have been intended to have been run into WTC7 also, which explains why it was wired with explosives ready to go -- and thus re-uniting all the dead passengers in Manhattan where they were supposed to be in the wreckage, ready for 'DNA analysis' etc. They saved on destroying 2 planes in this scenario, however same number of victims as planned.

No, no-one saw any rigging or explosives because it was all in the maintenance areas in the lift wells and tucked inside the perimeter hollow box columns -- thermite-based cutting charges for silent cutting for about an hour so nobody would hear explosions, and C-4 charges when it was time for the collapse. The explosives in the basement were timed to go off at the time of impact of the 'plane' as a cover. In the case of the 'first plane' impact, there might have been no plane at all, just explosives.
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Re: Sign these petitions for a new REAL 9/11 investigation!

Postby SydneyPSIder » 26 Sep 2012, 15:36

NinjaPuppy wrote:Believe it or not, ProfWag has been outted as a government disinformation specialist assigned to these forums. At least that's what SCEPCOP says he is. :lol:

Just because someone doesn't fall for the "Official" version of a series of events doesn't make them a conspiracy theorist. I have a bigger problem with those who don't question the gray areas.

Yeah, I don't doubt it -- he plays very dumb. I thought he wasn't going to contribute to the discussion any more because he was too outraged!
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Re: Sign these petitions for a new REAL 9/11 investigation!

Postby SydneyPSIder » 26 Sep 2012, 15:45

ProfWag wrote:Or maybe, just maybe , it was 20 terrorists who hated what American stands for, were ordered to take pilot lessons, hijack some planes, fly them into the buildings, and let the laws of physics take over from there. Just a thought... :shock:

Laws of physics say the towers shouldn't collapse with an impact and mild, low temperature fire -- http://www.ae911truth.org/.

It wasn't 19 'terrorists' who 'hate what America stands for' (imperialism? greed? installing puppet leaders around the world? history of foreign interference and neo-colonialism?), they couldn't fly a 757 or 767, they couldn't even fly a single-engined Cessna. They would have least of all known about a top secret 'Northern Guardian' military exercise taking place that week which meant jets would be taken away to the north-east of the continent and allowing them to fly for hours without interception -- in very jagged roundabout detours that just happened to cross over large radar dead spots that even ATCs don't know about where they turned off their radar transponders at exactly the right moment (and how would they know what or where the radar transponders even were, given they had only ever been in a single-engined Cessna before which don't use radar at all). Or the convenient fact that Dick Cheney had control over NORAD at that time as part of the exercises, and no fighter could engage a plane without his approval. It appears Flight 93 was designed to hit WTC7 AFTER the other two towers had been collapsed (and how would any 'real' hijacker know that the buildings would come down completely in a plane impact, it's just not possible that they could or would expect it) -- and it too would have been demolished by explosives as a grand finale designed to upset the American people and make them go rampaging all over the Middle East exacting revenge indiscriminately on everyone, which is exactly what the foreign power involved in the exercise wanted -- but the USAF finally shot down the plane acting independently after finally scambling a jet as they were supposed to. A USAF officer ordered the shootdown independently of the Cheney circus based on standard protocols and not being part of the charade. This created a huge problem for the demolition of WTC7 as it was full of explosives and wiring that would eventually have been discovered by someone if it wasn't brought down, and it takes months to prep for that sort of thing, of course.

Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta told the 9/11 Commission in 2003 that when he arrived in the Presidential Emergency Operations Centre (PEOC) in the basement of the White House around 9:20 a.m. on Sept. 11, Cheney was already there, as was Mrs. Cheney. The second World Trade Center tower was hit at 9:03.

Mineta said that shortly after he arrived, he witnessed an exchange between Cheney and a young, unidentified man. Mineta seemed not to realize the importance of what he was saying. He told the commission:

"During the time that the airplane was coming in to the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the vice-president, 'The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out.' And when it got down to, 'The plane is 10 miles out,' the young man also said to the vice-president, 'Do the orders still stand?' And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said, 'Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?'"

Mineta's testimony places Cheney in the PEOC almost 40 minutes before the 9/11 Commission said he arrived (They say he got there around 10 a.m.) Keep in mind that the alleged crash of American Airlines Flight 77 into the Pentagon is believed to have occurred at 9:38 a.m.

This testimony indicates that as the plane drew closer and closer to the Pentagon, the vice-president gave the order to do nothing. And this account contradicts the claim of Donald Rumsfeld at the Pentagon, who said they had no idea a plane was coming their way; this is why there was no evacuation of the Pentagon.

Somebody's lying.

Is it Mineta? Not likely. He was very specific about the time, and he repeated the fact that Cheney was there before he arrived at 9:20 in an interview in 2007. And did he imagine the exchange about the approaching plane between Cheney and the young man? There's no reason this member of the Bush team would want to call their own version of events into question. And he very specifically said it was Flight 77 they were talking about.

Mineta may have genuinely believed that Cheney was confirming an order to shoot down the incoming plane, but that makes no sense given what the young man said. If the order was to shoot the plane down, why would he have asked several times if the order stood? It was much more likely he was questioning the order because it was the unexpected order NOT to shoot the plane down.

Rumsfeld's claim that he had no idea that a plane was headed towards the Pentagon 40 minutes after controllers knew the Flight 77 was hijacked stretches credulity to the breaking point -- and contradicts other evidence. Cheney has already said in interviews he was on the phone with Rumsfeld shortly after arriving in the PEOC. If that was before 9:20 then Rumsfeld had to have known about the approaching plane. And if that's true, why wasn't the building evacuated? http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2010/1 ... 662660.php
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Re: Sign these petitions for a new REAL 9/11 investigation!

Postby SydneyPSIder » 26 Sep 2012, 16:05

ProfWag wrote:
Misha wrote: However, Richard Gage has gotten around 1,600 architects and engineers who do not agree with the government's official explanation. Should we not take this seriously?

Should you not take seriously the 1.5 million engineers and the 233,000 architects who do NOT believe there was a controlled demolition? Additionally, have you ever broken down the list of names of those architects and engineers into an actual list of people who know something about skyscrapers? Even Gage himself admits he's only worked on 2 or 3 story buildings and is not an expert in 100 story buildings hit by planes. Very important to remember that Gage's list allows anyone, active or retired and in ANY architect or engineer specialty (among others), to post their name...

No, because only a couple of dozen engineers have endorsed the 'official' story, they are the shills used to create the unlikely scenarios for NIST. Many engineers and demolition experts who spoke up early in the piece recanted their stories later (under pressure) and some lost their jobs for speaking out. So we have around 1,700 brave souls putting their names to a website, these are decent Americans, and the remaining '1.5 million engineers and the 233,000 architects' just haven't -- they're afraid for themselves, their careers and their families, they're happy not to think too hard about it, who knows. You haven't asked the '1.5 million engineers and the 233,000 architects' what they think on or off the record, so you fail once again on a standard sceptical test of logic. You don't know how many have suspicions they don't want to voice. A few are possibly even pseudosceptics themselves!
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Re: Sign these petitions for a new REAL 9/11 investigation!

Postby Misha » 26 Sep 2012, 16:13

NinjaPuppy asks:

I'm curious as to what the police and firemen had to say about building 7. I always prefer a personal opinion to some standard issued response when trying to form my opinion.
I have not bothered to do much research on Building 7 but when I read something like this, I wonder about the structural changes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center

Hi NinjaPuppy,

Some of the Firemen, cops and emergency services who I have talked to have big problems with how Building 7 came down. Those who were willing to talk confidentially and explore the issue have told me that Building 7 indeed looked like it came down from controlled demolition. Yes, through osmosis of the "alternative research" that has seeped in over the years now question the official version of 9/11. However, many are fearful of coming out with their true feelings. Again, the bureaucracy of conformity tends to muffle a public admission on this subject. One friend a retired NYPD detective has a relative who lost two sons to the collapses. We have spent hours talking on the subject and my friend to even broach this topic with his relative is too painful. Yes, there are many who just duck the issue altogether. However, one overwhelming sense I get with broaching this subject on collapses, in general, is what I call the "invisible electrified fence" of keeping one's mouth shut. Again, the strong pull of conformity stifles their opinions.

Let me give you an example of this conformity. Around a month or two while the clean-up (I call it tampering with evidence. I don't blame the guys and gals trying to get their brethren out of the rubble) was taking place, I had made a comment about what the firemen had endured to some Bureau Task Force cops who had been working at the site. Two of the four cops winced and one said - "right." I knew that I stepped on my d**k and didn't know why. What I found out later through my detective friend who spent the whole time in the clean-up process is that some firemen (by no means all) were looting bodies and using the "jaws of life" to open safes or other objects that contained valuables in the underground complex. In fact, in one instance while pulling up the debris a load of jeans had been pilfered and spilled out of a concealed container of sorts. I wonder if you guys have either heard this before in our mainstream press? If not, why? Was there a gag order placed on the cops, fireman and emergency personnel at the site? Now some of you may question this? That is understandable. However, can you imagine the fallout politically if this had ever come to light? For the record, I trust my detective friend completely. He trusts me and we share a common bond in another investigation altogether.
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Re: Sign these petitions for a new REAL 9/11 investigation!

Postby SydneyPSIder » 26 Sep 2012, 16:28

There was a shedload of gold down in the basement as well, I believe Federal Reserve supplies from memory. A van was caught pilfering it and had been abandoned in the underground tunnels at around the time of the explosions and 'impacts'.

There were underground tunnels under these buildings for service reasons -- this was also how they ferried in the explosives.

It's no coincidence that WTC7 contained offices for the CIA, secret service and Guiliani's mob.

In terms of the expertise and typical govt incompetence and bungling, this was managed by a cabal of the building management, CIA black ops, and US military equipment and experience in explosives and demolition, in conjunction with a foreign team. The military and CIA are not incompetent like ordinary public servants. Even then the WTC7 scenario didn't come off according to plan.
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Re: Sign these petitions for a new REAL 9/11 investigation!

Postby Misha » 26 Sep 2012, 16:43

I cannot say with any degree of knowledge about what you put forth, SydneyPSIder. I only know through a trusted source about the scenario in which I gave above. I have held this for sometime and take no pleasure bringing this forth. In no way do I wish to demean the fire department, cops, emergency personnel whatsoever. Many are my friends and I respect them. As the old saying goes - "A few bad apples can spoil the pot," and this was kept very, very quiet. I failed to mention that the "looting" was talked about all around Manhattan, also. However, I trust my detective friend and if he said it I am likely to believe this happened.
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Re: Sign these petitions for a new REAL 9/11 investigation!

Postby SydneyPSIder » 26 Sep 2012, 17:58

On further reflection, there are some further oddities from eyewitness accounts of Flight 93 -- that there appeared to be no passengers, but lots of wreckage strewn over miles. (Of course the official story was that the flight was 'swallowed up by the earth', something never before seen in a plane crash, somewhat like buildings never collapsing in a fire either). It's possible that the flight was heading back to WTC7 completely empty of passengers, possibly via remote control. (There was no 'let's roll' BS.) There are anomalies over whether Flight 11 really existed at all as a slot, as the records show the plane took off from a different airport than the one claimed, etc. No taxiing time or runway time either. It's possible that the first tower was explosives, the second tower a military plane of some sort, Pentagon was a missile and a flyover, and possibly an empty commercial jetliner heading towards WTC7 before being intercepted by the USAF. The passengers on Flight 93 may have ALL been dropped off at Cleveland Hopkins Airport as reported, where the airport was closed down and people made to walk miles on the freeway. Then the civilian collateral damage from the mission would be minimised, and it also explains why the 'families of the passengers' are so non-committal about the official story -- they could well all be CIA employees or spooks roped in to masquerade as relatives. The WTC towers themselves were as good as empty much of the time as well, and at least 1,000 supposed occupants could be faked IDs to make the toll seem higher and to create a pool of 'victims' for the schemers to pay compensation money out to and pay themselves for their work.

There are anomalies with the tailplane numbers of the supposedly doomed jets as well, tailplanes are issue once, uniquely for all time to a jet, like an index number. The tailplane numbers were spotted AFTER 9/11 and were also in two places at once ON 9/11.

http://911review.org/brad.com/flights_air.html

http://911review.org/inn.globalfreepres ... stery.html

Yet Miller now seems to dispute his earlier claim. In the recent BBC documentary 9/11: The Conspiracy Files, he explained: "I said that I stopped being a coroner after about 20 minutes because it was perfectly clear what the cause and manner of death was gonna be. It was a plane crash but yet it was a homicide because the terrorists hijacked the plane and killed the people, and the terrorists committed suicide. So from that point, yes it was a misquote, because the point that I was trying to make was, after that it more or less became a large funeral service." The BBC documentary's producer Guy Smith endorsed this claim, telling Loose Change creator Dylan Avery that Miller meant his earlier statement only as "a simile. ... It looked as if that had happened. ... But he didn't mean that literally." (9/11: The Conspiracy Files, BBC 2, 2/18/2007)

Was the Washington Post mistaken? Did they "misquote" Wallace Miller? Other reports suggest differently. In the 12 months following 9/11, Miller in fact described the surprising lack of human remains at the Flight 93 crash site, repeatedly and unequivocally:

He told author David McCall: "I got to the actual crash site and could not believe what I saw. ... Usually you see much debris, wreckage, and much noise and commotion. This crash was different. There was no wreckage, no bodies, and no noise. ... It appeared as though there were no passengers or crew on this plane." (David McCall, From Tragedy to Triumph, 2002, pp. 86-87)

He told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette: "It was as if the plane had stopped and let the passengers off before it crashed." (Tom Gibb, "Newsmaker: Coroner's quiet unflappability helps him take charge of Somerset tragedy," Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, 10/15/2001)

He told CNN: "It was a really a very unusual site. You almost would've thought the passengers had been dropped off somewhere. ... Even by the standard model of an airplane crash, there was very little, even by those standards." (CNN, 3/11/2002)

Author Jere Longman wrote: "Wallace Miller, the Somerset County coroner, arrived and walked around the [crash] site with [assistant volunteer fire chief Rick] King. ... They walked around for an hour and found almost no human remains. 'If you didn't know, you would have thought no one was on the plane,' Miller said. 'You would have thought they dropped them off somewhere.'" (Jere Longman, Among the Heroes, 2002, p. 217)

Recalling the crash scene, Miller told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review: "This is the most eerie thing. I have not, to this day, seen a single drop of blood. Not a drop." (Robb Frederick, "The day that changed America," Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, 9/11/2002)


Despite this absence of human remains at the Flight 93 crash scene, the Washington Post reported: "[T]he 33 passengers, seven crew and four hijackers together weighed roughly 7,000 pounds. ... Hundreds of searchers who climbed the hemlocks and combed the woods for weeks [after 9/11] were able to find about 1,500 mostly scorched samples of human tissue totaling less than 600 pounds, or about 8 percent of the total." (Peter Perl, "Hallowed Ground," Washington Post, 5/12/2002)

By December 19, 2001, "the remains of the 40 passengers and crew, and, by process of elimination, the four hijackers" had all been identified. (Steve Levin, "Flight 93 victims' effects to go back to families," Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, 12/30/2001)

How was this possible?
http://www.whale.to/b/flight_9323.html
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Re: Sign these petitions for a new REAL 9/11 investigation!

Postby SydneyPSIder » 26 Sep 2012, 20:02

Misha wrote:Barbara Olson's alleged calls (FBI proved this to be not so)

This is one piece of the puzzle that has me flummoxed -- the Ted/Barbara Olson relationship. Ted must have lied about these calls, very believably. But theoretically his (third) wife, a famous attorney and conservative commentator, has carked it. If we go with the conspiracy theory, did he hate his third wife? Did he want to get rid of her? Was she suing him for divorce? Or is he just an utter psychopath? He wants another younger trophy wife, they're easy to come by? Did he just have her topped?

Or did she fake her death and disappear somewhere? Hard to imagine, she would be recognised in the US, would be giving up a good career, and there's only so many other places to go in the world -- why upset your life like that? Although one report states she's living in Sweden, where people speak English, and her Nordic looks would fit in without being recognised. She's living in the basement? Maybe she was a CIA planted wife all along, she's a lot younger and better looking than he is. Marriage was a patriotic sham for a period?

The Pentagon flight she was supposedly on is the one least likely to have been an actual plane.

Back on 9/11, the FBI itself had interviewed Olson. A report of that interview indicates that Olson told the FBI agents that his wife had called him twice from Flight 77.10 And yet the FBI’s report on calls from Flight 77, presented in 2006, indicated that no such calls occurred.

This was an amazing development: The FBI is part of the Department of Justice, and yet its report undermined the well-publicized claim of the DOJ’s former solicitor general that he had received two calls from his wife on 9/11.

Also, if Ted Olson’s claim was false, then there are only two possibilities: Either he lied or he was duped by someone using voice-morphing technology to pretend to be his wife.

http://www.combatreform.org/tedandbarbaradid911.htm
2. What NTSB report calls "Flight 77" disappears from radar screens by transponder turn-off and loss of even blip screen return over West Virginia mountains happens near Tri-Cities civil-military Airport at Huntington, WV: a perfect place for a switch (6, 200 foot runway) to land passengers and put a remote controlled drone plane like an A-3D SkyWarrior resembling a 757 into the air to dive into Pentagon (see new map comparisons)

I wouldn't put anything past these calmly lying conservative actors.

Ted Olson was married to Wife #4 within 6 months.
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Postby NinjaPuppy » 26 Sep 2012, 20:55

Misha wrote:Some of the Firemen, cops and emergency services who I have talked to have big problems with how Building 7 came down. Those who were willing to talk confidentially and explore the issue have told me that Building 7 indeed looked like it came down from controlled demolition. Yes, through osmosis of the "alternative research" that has seeped in over the years some now question the official version of 9/11. However, many are fearful of coming out with their true feelings. Again, the bureaucracy of conformity tends to muffle a public admission on this subject.

I understand. Being the daughter of a police officer / homicide detective, I heard many a dinner time rant about how the bureaucracy works in situations like this.

Misha wrote:One friend a retired NYPD detective has a relative that lost two sons to the collapses. We have spent hours talking on the subject and my friend to even broach this topic with his relative is too painful. Yes, there are many who just duck the issue altogether. However, one overwhelming sense I get with broaching this subject on collapses, in general, is what I call the "invisible electrified fence" of keeping one's mouth shut. Again, the strong pull of conformity stifles their opinions.

Understood.

Misha wrote:Let me give you an example of this conformity. Around a month or two while the clean-up (I call it tampering with evidence. I don't blame the guys and gals trying to get their brethren out of the rubble) was taking place, I had made a comment about what the firemen had endured to some Bureau Task Force cops who had been working at the site. Two of the four cops winced and one said - "right." I knew that I stepped on my d**k and didn't know why. What I found out later through my detective friend who spent the whole time in the clean-up process is that some firemen (by no means all) were looting bodies and using the "jaws of life" to open safes or other objects that contained valuables in the underground complex. In fact, in one instance while pulling up the debris a load of jeans had been pilfered and spilled out of a concealed container of sorts. I wonder if you guys have either heard this before in our mainstream press? If not, why? Was there a gag order placed on the cops, fireman and emergency personnel at the site? Now some of you may question this? That is understandable. However, can you imagine the fallout politically if this had ever come to light? For the record, I trust my detective friend completely. He trusts me and we share a common bond in another investigation altogether.

I think the terminology for this example is the blue wall. Cops and firemen cover each others arses for the exact reason you state:
However, can you imagine the fallout politically if this had ever come to light?

It's determined on what's best for all concerned and not just a few.

I was told decades ago that the assorted govt agencies had all sorts of "evidence" warehoused in vaults at the location. That "evidence" could conjure up some pretty wild ideas and I don't doubt that there was stuff in evidence that even we couldn't think up if we tried. But hey, that's just my opinion. :lol:
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Re: Sign these petitions for a new REAL 9/11 investigation!

Postby ProfWag » 26 Sep 2012, 21:07

Typical of those who believe in conspiracy theories to post all sorts of information without any kind of reference and we're just supposed to believe everything they say when it's already been shown that they fabricate or try to post things from memory. I'll ask again, please post facts and not opinions. I don't have the time or the patience to chase down and refute every silly thing posted.

Misha, as I said, stating that someone is a conspiracy theorist is not necessarily a bad thing. I agree with Ninja that it's wrong if we DON'T question things. However, from the posts that I've read from you, you tend to believe that if there's something fishy then it must be a conspiracy. I just happen to disagree with that. Please don't take it personal as I do respect that you do your own investigation.
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Re: Sign these petitions for a new REAL 9/11 investigation!

Postby SydneyPSIder » 26 Sep 2012, 21:23

ProfWag wrote:Typical of those who believe in conspiracy theories to post all sorts of information without any kind of reference and we're just supposed to believe everything they say when it's already been shown that they fabricate or try to post things from memory. I'll ask again, please post facts and not opinions. I don't have the time or the patience to chase down and refute every silly thing posted.

You'll cope -- everyone can help each other search for references.
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