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ProfWag, listen to this AF Pilot decorated with 17 medals!

Postby Scepcop » 27 Aug 2009, 04:25

Anti-truthers and ProfWag,

Listen to what this Air Force Pilot decorated with 17 medals has to say about 9/11 and Flight 77! Do any of you have any flight qualifications comparable to his?! lol NOT!

http://patriotsquestion911.com/pilots.html

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Lt. Col. Jeff Latas, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former combat fighter pilot. Aerospace engineer. Currently Captain at a major airline. Combat experience includes Desert Storm and four tours of duty in Northern and Southern Watch. Aircraft flown: McDonnell Douglas F-15E Strike Eagle and General Dynamics F-111 Aardvark fighter/bomber. Former President, U.S. Air Force Accident Investigation Board. Also served as Pentagon Weapons Requirement Officer and as a member of the Pentagon's Quadrennial Defense Review. Awarded Distinguish Flying Cross for Heroism, four Air Medals, four Meritorious Service Medals, and nine Aerial Achievement Medals. 20-year Air Force career.

* Audio interview with Rob Balsamo 6/25/07: Regarding the 9/11 Commission's account of the impact of Flight 77 at the Pentagon and discrepancies with the actual Flight Data Recorder information:

"After I did my own analysis of it, it's obvious that there's discrepancies between the two stories; between the 9/11 Commission and the flight data recorder information. And I think that's where we really need to focus a lot of our attention to get the help that we need in order to put pressure on government agencies to actually do a real investigation of 9/11. And not just from a security standpoint, but from even an aviation standpoint, like any accident investigation would actually help the aviators out by finding reasons for things happening. ...

The things that really got my attention were the amount of descent rate that you had to have at the end of the flight, of Flight 77, that would have made it practically impossible to hit the light poles. [Editor's note: Destruction of the light poles near the Pentagon by Flight 77 was stated in the 9/11 Commission Report.] Essentially it would have been too high at that point to the point of impact where the main body of the airplane was hitting between the first and second floor of the Pentagon. ...

You know, I'd ride my bike to the Pentagon. So, you know I'm a little bit familiar with that area. [Editor's note: Lt. Col. Latas served as a Weapons Requirement Officer at the Pentagon.] But, you know, that kind of descent rate it would have been impossible essentially for the results that we see physically from what the flight data recorder was recording. Like I say, that's an area that I think deserves explanation. ...

The ground track [the path of the airplane] is off from the 9/11 Commission. There are several things that can be brought up but it's been a while since I've seen the film and looked at the flight data recorder. And I can't think of all the discrepancies I saw, but there are several there. [The film he refers to is the video documentary, Pandora's Black Box, Chapter 2, Flight of American 77.] ...

And I think that we Americans need to demand further investigation just to clarify the discrepancies that you've [Pilots for 9/11 Truth] found. And I think that we need to be getting on the phone with our Congressmen and women and letting them know that we don't accept the excuses that we're hearing now, that we want true investigators to do a true investigation." http://video.google.com
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Re: ProfWag, listen to this AF Pilot decorated with 17 medals!

Postby ProfWag » 27 Aug 2009, 04:49

It is likely that hundreds of people directly saw flight 77 hit the Pentagon. Dozens were interviewed by numerous news outlets: Witness List 1 – List 2 – List 3 – List 4 – List 5 – More

Pentagon witness spreadsheet (Excel file)

Many witnesses were in their cars, in a traffic jam directly in front of the Pentagon. Most of those people drove away and were not interviewed. Below is a summary of the accounts quoted in the lists and spreadsheet summary above. These are mostly accounts that appeared in mainstream media reports. Many more people witnessed the attack.

From the lists above, 136 people saw the plane approach the Pentagon, and

104 directly saw the plane hit the Pentagon.

6 were nearly hit by the plane in front of the Pentagon. Several others were within 100-200 feet of the impact.

26 mentioned that it was an American Airlines jet.

39 others mentioned that it was a large jet/commercial airliner.

2 described a smaller corporate jet. 1 described a "commuter plane" but didn't mention the size.

7 said it was a Boeing 757.

8 witnesses were pilots. One witness was an Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower Chief.

2 witnesses were firefighters working on their truck at the Pentagon heliport.

4 made radio calls to inform emergency services that a plane had hit the Pentagon.

10 said the plane's flaps and landing gear were not deployed (1 thought landing gear struck a light pole).

16 mentioned seeing the plane hit light poles/trees, or were next to to the poles when it happened. Another 8 mentioned the light poles being knocked down: it's unknown if they saw them hit.

42 mentioned seeing aircraft debris. 4 mentioned seeing airline seats. 3 mentioned engine parts.


2 mentioned bodies still strapped into seats.

15 mentioned smelling or contacting aviation/jet fuel.

3 had vehicles damaged by light poles or aircraft debris. Several saw other occupied vehicles damaged.

3 took photographs of the aftermath.

Many mentioned false alarm warnings of other incoming planes after the crash. One said "3-4 warnings."

And of course,

0 saw a military aircraft or missile strike the Pentagon.

0 saw a plane narrowly miss the Pentagon and fly away.
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Re: ProfWag, listen to this AF Pilot decorated with 17 medals!

Postby Scepcop » 27 Aug 2009, 05:01

Where is your source for that? It never mentioned that many also said they saw a missile and others saw a military plane. So your source must be skewed.

You didn't answer my question about whether your qualifications can compare with the AF pilot with 17 medals or not. You didn't address that.

He knows a hell of a lot more than you about aviation. You agree?
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Re: ProfWag, listen to this AF Pilot decorated with 17 medals!

Postby ProfWag » 27 Aug 2009, 05:36

Scepcop wrote:Where is your source for that? It never mentioned that many also said they saw a missile and others saw a military plane. So your source must be skewed.

You didn't answer my question about whether your qualifications can compare with the AF pilot with 17 medals or not. You didn't address that.

He knows a hell of a lot more than you about aviation. You agree?

The number of medals one has is not really important. I have about that many, maybe a couple more myself, but it also depends on what kind of medals they were. But I was not an aviator so yes, I'll agree that he knows more about aviation that I do.
However, I do have a family member that has 104 missions over Vietnam as well as a current post in the FAA and he doesn't dispute the airplane crashing into the Pentagon at all.
Here is a source that takes you to more sources (actually, many of these sources take you to interviews on 9/12/01. Very interesting reading if you aren't so wrapped up in conspiracy theories to see the destruction that a bunch of terrorists were able to get away with that day. Otherwise, if all you want to do is spread your anti-government propoganda, then don't read them. http://www.geocities.com/someguyyoudont ... nesses.htm
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Re: ProfWag, listen to this AF Pilot decorated with 17 medals!

Postby Scepcop » 27 Aug 2009, 11:10

Here's a more complete list that includes statements that go against the official version (which you take to be the Gospel). See the parts in red.

http://killtown.911review.org/flight77/witnesses.html
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Re: ProfWag, listen to this AF Pilot decorated with 17 medals!

Postby Scepcop » 27 Aug 2009, 12:06

This relative of yours in the air force, can you cite his full name and provide his statement in his own words, concerning Flight 77 and the Pentagon? How much time has he researched this? And does he know about the extreme maneuvers of Flight 77 and how difficult they were?

Show him the quotes above by the air force pilot with 17 medals, and get his response, and post it here.

Otherwise, it's just pure hearsay.

Question for you: If Flight 77's path was easy and believable, why are so many expert pilots saying it was impossible? Can you answer that? You admit that they know more about aviation than you. So why don't you believe them? Why would they say something that wasn't true within their field of expertise?
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Re: ProfWag, listen to this AF Pilot decorated with 17 medals!

Postby ProfWag » 27 Aug 2009, 20:51

Scepcop wrote:This relative of yours in the air force, can you cite his full name and provide his statement in his own words, concerning Flight 77 and the Pentagon? How much time has he researched this? And does he know about the extreme maneuvers of Flight 77 and how difficult they were?

Show him the quotes above by the air force pilot with 17 medals, and get his response, and post it here.

Otherwise, it's just pure hearsay.

Question for you: If Flight 77's path was easy and believable, why are so many expert pilots saying it was impossible? Can you answer that? You admit that they know more about aviation than you. So why don't you believe them? Why would they say something that wasn't true within their field of expertise?

No, I won't provide my relative's name. We spoke at my father's funeral a few months ago. I can assure you, however, that his reputation in the aviation industry is concrete, but his statements wouldn't change your mind one way or the other so there's no need to go there.
Here are some things for you to consider (not that you'll look at it since they go against your agenda)

http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid= ... &plindex=7 (Begins at 27:40)http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/2006/05/19/askthepilot186/index1.html
http://www.911myths.com/Another_Expert.pdf
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