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Funny example of circular reasoning by NIST!

Postby Scepcop » 27 Aug 2009, 03:43

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While several government agencies, including NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology) produced reports on the collapse of the three World Trade Center buildings, they pointedly did not analyze the debris for the presence of explosives. This omission is at odds with the requirement of the national standard for fire investigation (NFPA 921), which calls for testing related to thermite and other pyrotechnics. It is also at odds with the video evidence of explosions, and the testimony of fire department personnel, more than 100 of whom officially reported hearing or seeing explosions. NIST also failed to explain the source of large quantities of molten metal in the WTC rubble, or the abundant amounts of iron microspheres in the dust.

NIST spokesperson Michael Neuman was challenged by Hartford Advocate reporter Jennifer Abel on this glaring omission in the WTC report…

ABEL: … what about that letter where NIST said it didn’t look for evidence of explosives?

NEUMAN: Right, because there was no evidence of that.

ABEL: But how can you know there’s no evidence if you don’t look for it first?

NEUMAN: If you’re looking for something that isn’t there, you’re wasting your time….
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Re: Funny example of circular reasoning by NIST!

Postby Nostradamus » 27 Aug 2009, 22:07

The thermite claim is not proved in the paper. Instead the paper reports the existence of iron oxide and aluminum intimately mixed. This is not the same as thermite. The material found has the gross and microscopic look of paint. It is flaked like paint. It is 2 sided like paint chips. It contains iron oxide as a pigment and aluminum in the form of kaolinite. The kaolinite has been altered to kaolin. It has a low ignition point just like paint. Thermite is hard to ignite.

The NPFA 921 reference is misleading to say the least. It is a guide, not a requirement.

This document is designed to assist individuals who are charged with the responsibility of investigating and analyzing fire and explosion incidents and rendering opinions as to the origin, cause, responsibility, or prevention of such incidents.


This is the scope of the document. It is "designed to assist". Not a mandate. To state "at odds with the requirement" is wrong since it is a guide, not a requirement.

Truthers often point to 14.3, "Preservation of the Fire Scene and Physical Evidence" where it states, "the cause of a fire or explosion is not known until near the end of the investigation". In this case the cause of the fires was known: planes hit the buildings. Falling, flaming debris ignited more fires. Firemen saw the first plane hit. Firemen saw the second plane hit. Firemen saw nearby fires ignited by flaming debris. The cause of the fires was pretty clear in the minds of those that fought the fires.

If you want to find out more about this try reading http://forums.firehouse.com/showthread.php?t=107457. This is real firemen discussing the issue.

This getting tiring
It is also at odds with the video evidence of explosions, and the testimony of fire department personnel, more than 100 of whom officially reported hearing or seeing explosions


Loud sounds do not mean explosives.

NIST also failed to explain the source of large quantities of molten metal in the WTC rubble

Didn't exist. Even Jones dropped the photo of the people supposedly looking at a pool of molten metal when he learned it was a night shot of people using flashlights.

abundant amounts of iron microspheres in the dust.

Source was cutting torches used to cut up the rubble.

And thanks for showing us:
If you’re looking for something that isn’t there, you’re wasting your time


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