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WTC7 - The smoking gun in 9/11 conspiracy

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Re: WTC shaking just before collapse - Underground detonatio

Postby ProfWag » 16 Sep 2011, 03:09

Scepcop wrote:I told you, thousands of people heard explosions and felt them...The explosions probably came from under the ground, and some in the building as well. That's why you saw the WTC shake. What else did you think caused the ground to shake? Your ass? lol

Winston, for the love of god, please use some common sense. You are being so forceful on this explosion thing and then in the next sentence you use the word "probably" which means that you don't even know where they hell they came from!? If sounds didn't come "under the ground, and some in the building as well," then where else would noise come from? Sheesh. You are a hard person for me to be mature about and not call you names or make fun of.
PEOPLE STATING THEY HEARD EXPLOSIONS DOES NOT MEAN THOSE BUILDINGS WERE BROUGHT DOWN BY EXPLOSIVES USED IN A CONTROLLED DEMOLTION!!!!!!!!!! CAN YOU GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD MR. WU?
Hell I heard an explosion about 5 minutes ago out back of my office building. Ya' know what it was? The top of a dumpster slamming down, but it sure as hell sounded like an explosion!
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Re: WTC7 - The smoking gun in 9/11 conspiracy

Postby Arouet » 16 Sep 2011, 11:26

Well at least he doesn't think it was a nuclear bomb - oh wait...
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Re: WTC7 - The smoking gun in 9/11 conspiracy

Postby ProfWag » 16 Sep 2011, 21:27

Arouet wrote:Well at least he doesn't think it was a nuclear bomb - oh wait...

That cracks me up. Winston just wants to publish anything that contradicts the truth.
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Re: WTC7 - The smoking gun in 9/11 conspiracy

Postby Craig Browning » 17 Sep 2011, 00:12

ProfWag wrote:
Arouet wrote:Well at least he doesn't think it was a nuclear bomb - oh wait...

That cracks me up. Winston just wants to publish anything that contradicts the truth.


I just found out that my kid brother is on this whole WTC Conspiracy kick and the "fact" that is was deliberately staged by the CIA, etc.

Knowing his psychological make-up, the many quirks he's demonstrated over the past 40+ years, and most importantly the many facets of mental health challenge that goes untreated this revelation doesn't surprise me too terribly much, but at the same time it goes a very long way towards confirming some of my theory when it comes to this type of "Paranoid" and the Psych Profile as well as general life-history commons they share.

As I stated last Sunday during Winston's campaign to inflict emotional distress around the 9/11 observations, it's a definite illness that such souls really need to get treatment for.
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Re: WTC7 - The smoking gun in 9/11 conspiracy

Postby roger allen » 11 Feb 2012, 05:09

I doubled the speed of WB11's last orb showing, and their plane morph. The wingless drone was shown 6-8 times between 9:03-9:26, with the fake image making its debut only one minute after the last orb showing. The live orb and fake plane image cast their own shadows behind the towers, dismissing any nonsense that the drone was added or faked. Since the orb did circle the buildings before impacting the southeast corner of tower 2, the fake plane image at 9:27 was altered to make it turn more north, giving a more plausible (but still impossible) flight path.

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Re: WTC7 - The smoking gun in 9/11 conspiracy

Postby roger allen » 11 Feb 2012, 05:11

The inboard flap track on the right wing of fake 175 clearly has the inboard flap not between it and the fuselage (YOU can see it, clear as day), thus it's too close as the faked image shows. The left engine nacelle also does not connect to the underside of the wing at a point outboard of the flap track, exactly as it can't be. The rearmost point of the nacelle attachment footprint is clearly not abaft of the leading tip of the flap track fairing, also impossible and fake. This floundering, fake image flop has the flap open on the front of the left wing, not rear where it must be. Yet, another devastating blow to the real planes myth.

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The hinged control surfaces are used to steer and control the airplane. The flaps and ailerons are connected to the backside of the wings. The flaps slide back and down to increase the surface of the wing area. They also tilt down to increase the curve of the wing. The slats move out from the front of the wings to make the wing space larger. This helps to increase the lifting force of the wing at slower speeds like takeoff and landing. The ailerons are hinged on the wings and move downward to push the air down and make the wing tilt up. This moves the plane to the side and helps it turn during flight. After landing, the spoilers are used like air brakes to reduce any remaining lift and slow down the airplane.
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Re: WTC7 - The smoking gun in 9/11 conspiracy

Postby roger allen » 11 Feb 2012, 05:18

Four flying bombs were captured on film and survived without alteration. The only inconsistency is chopper 4 disappears behind the top of tower 1, while the other three are lower but at the same level. Here they are in this order; NY1, WB11, CBS, and Chopper 4, aka WNBC. Only the CBS bogey did not air live. The Today Show aired the orb but changed camera angles before it could complete its path to explosion.

The final 14 seconds of approach by nist was south to north, not west to east. The drone/orb cannot visually be a chopper or plane and its float path would have crashed into the west side of T2, not southeast corner. The drone literally circled the towers just like Matt Lauer said after he saw it.

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Re: WTC7 - The smoking gun in 9/11 conspiracy

Postby roger allen » 11 Feb 2012, 05:43

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRAyGO2oDac
Jennifer Spell, in her own words: "Just about five minutes after I got outside and was shooting, the second plane circle around and it flew out over New Jersey and then it came in, it just."

She, very clearly did not see what her video shows, a supposed black plane coming from directly south of T2, vanishing into the southeast corner. Her description is also shared by her male companion, (who said at least twice, it circled around) other witnesses and three live broadcasts showing a slow moving drone coming from exactly where Spell said it came from, 'the Jersey side.'

There's not a better witness than those who described what they saw as they filmed it live and those on the ground without cameras or access to television. And how ironic and fitting it is that some poor guy named Manos actually filmed and got back altered footage showing a fake plane image literally circle the towers before impacting tower 2. The overwhelming existence of something not a plane coming from the west/Jersey side cleanly exposes disinformationlists like Anthony Lawson who work hard to keep the obvious drone from human understanding.

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Re: WTC7 - The smoking gun in 9/11 conspiracy

Postby roger allen » 11 Feb 2012, 05:57

It doesn't matter what anyone thinks the perps wanted us to believe. The nose-out was exposed during live coverage and faded to black upon noticing their mistake. That supports that it wasn't supposed to come through. I believe it was Aaron Brown who said it was an illusion.

Only one relevant point has been made besides the simple truths I've posted on the live footage clearly showing a drone coming from the west. The fake plane could not explode because it wasn't a plane, it was a computer generated image. Had they created an impact explosion, they would have had to explain why no plane parts fell to the ground on the south side. They logically could not create an impact explosion because there was no plane to produce any plane parts in real-time. Note the drone just right of the southwest corner of tower one. It casts its own shadow left of the north hole with just fire coming from the northeast corner, no NOSE-OUT in any north view footage, live or not.

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Re: WTC7 - The smoking gun in 9/11 conspiracy

Postby roger allen » 11 Feb 2012, 06:01

THE RIGHT ENGINE IS NOT DISCERNABLE and not aligned with the sagging left engine. It's an obvious and easily proven fake. Every video and picture can be proven frauds in the same way. Garbage in, garbage out.

Notice the white area anterior to the right engine. The fake engine is behind that and far too rear of the left sagging engine. It is simply a fake image with numerous impossibilities.

The shark fin does not have that fancy angle backward of the boeing. The horizontal stabilizer should be more centered (forward of) with the fin. The right boeing wing is anterior to the fin, while the fake wing is oddly pointing up and far too rear at this angle. The fake image is missing that distinct point at the nose and clearly smaller than it has to appear, if it was real.

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Re: WTC7 - The smoking gun in 9/11 conspiracy

Postby roger allen » 11 Feb 2012, 06:14

911conspiracy.tv - 2nd WTC Attack Plane Crash Videos

The drone circled the building just as many witnesses had stated and that is corroborated by 4 live broadcasts showing the drone do just that from the north view. It's logical with so much footage being released that something from the south would show the bogey's goofy bee-bop behind the towers.

We don't get the drone here but a fake plane exacting it as it circled the Towers. It is most logical that Manos Megagiannis turned his footage over to law enforcement and got it back this way. This man clearly captured the drone coming from over west (left of screen) before circling the buildings which is exactly why that whole part was edited out by starting the fake plane just as it passes east of Tower 1.

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41. Here is the story behind my videos: The distance is about 6 miles, (according to Google Earth), recorded using a Sony PC1. After I got a call from a friend of mine about the first plane, I started filming from inside my apartment. To get a bit better view I went to the roof of the building, and the moment I pointed the camera to the WTC and started recording, without even realizing it I captured the second plane hitting the tower. Actually if you see the original tape you will notice that I move the camera so I can confirm with my own eyes the explosion that I saw through the viewfinder. The rest is just very basic digital zoom (very amateurish I admit). The woman's voice, was some tenant in the same building.

The videos have NOT being edited to make the plane disappear or anything like that (as some claim). One of these days, if I find some free time I may go back to the master and re-master the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG25MRnPy1o&list=PL1C1F97A9B8B8D8AE&index=62&feature=plpp_video
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Re: WTC7 - The smoking gun in 9/11 conspiracy

Postby roger allen » 11 Feb 2012, 06:30

I took the work from September Clues and made it into something simple instead of a rambling mess. Dick Oliver called the orb a remote controlled drone. He was on the ground and saw it floating just like it did in 4 live broadcasts.

Dick Oliver Says Plane Was Remote Control Drone - YouTube
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Re: WTC7 - The smoking gun in 9/11 conspiracy

Postby roger allen » 11 Feb 2012, 06:32

This is a great copy of the north tower drone. You can see it has no wings before it makes impact. The clowns who shot this were a mile north of the towers. If flight 11 had really crashed in NY it would have looked much like this plane landing.

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Re: WTC7 - The smoking gun in 9/11 conspiracy

Postby roger allen » 11 Feb 2012, 06:46

Mark, cryptically laughs at the end of his description, further proving that he was describing the slow moving drone, and falling short of confirming that it really wasn't a plane. It's no different than Jean Hill saying she saw the secret service shooting back, but falling short of fingering the driver. Of course it didn't belong in the area because it was a drone and not the boeing 767 it was supposed to be.

Eyewitness on 9/11 Mark Burnback was able to get a good view of the plane that hit the World Trade Center, because he said that the plane was flying very low. He explained to FOX News that the plane had no windows, a blue logo, and did not look like a commercial plane.

Fox NewsCaster: "Mark Burnback, a Fox employee, is on the phone with us. Mark witnessed this... Mark were you close enough to see any markings on the airplane?"

Mark Burnback: "Hi gentlemen. Yeah there was definitely a blue, circular logo on the front of the plane towards the front. It definitely did not look like a commercial plane. I did not see any windows on the side. It was definitely very low...

"Mark, if what you say is true, those could be cargo planes or something like that. You said you did not see any windows on the side?"

Mark Burnback: "I did not see any windows on the side. I saw the plane was flying low. I was probably a block away from the sub-way in Brooklyn and that plane came down very low, and again it was not a normal flight that I have ever seen at an airport. It was a plane with a blue logo on the front and it just looked like it did not belong in this area."

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Re: WTC7 - The smoking gun in 9/11 conspiracy

Postby ProfWag » 13 Feb 2012, 09:01

Sorry, I don't see anything except airplanes.
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