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ProfWag, can you explain this obvious lie and denial?

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ProfWag, can you explain this obvious lie and denial?

Postby Scepcop » 23 Aug 2009, 13:06

ProfWag,
Can you watch this two minute video clip and explain or justify this obvious clear cut lie by NIST?



Is he lying deliberately or just uninformed? If he's uninformed, then why was he appointed to be the director of NIST?
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Re: ProfWag, can you explain this obvious lie and denial?

Postby brett » 23 Aug 2009, 14:02

what is it they say - none so blind as those who WILL not see ??
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Re: ProfWag, can you explain this obvious lie and denial?

Postby ProfWag » 23 Aug 2009, 22:33

Nope. Sure can't. And NEITHER can you! I DON"T know who said these things and when. What were they referring too? When did they say it? How many of these things were taken out of context? There are people who have said they saw molten flows. Yep, sure are! The NIST also explained them. Aluminum melts and flows (airplanes are made of aluminum). As do many other things. Skyscrapers of this size are made up of more things than just steel.

"Assume 3000 lbs of aluminum fell from the towers. If it had been molten iron produced by thermite, then 6*3000 = 18,000 lbs of thermite reactants would have been required to produce that same volume of falling mass.

Suppose 10 tons of molten aluminum fell from the south tower, about 1/8th of that available from the airplane. If it had been molten iron produced from thermite, 60 tons of thermite reactants would have to have been stored in Fuji Bank to produce the same volume spilling out of the south tower. The section of floor would have to hold all of that plus the aircraft.

*Amount of aluminum can be ascertained by counting the droplets and measuring their size compared to the known size of the window. It's not easy to get a good number on this. It's based on the number of slugs seen in video stills, their size relative to the window width which was about 22 inches, and the density of aluminum, assuming this was aluminum.

http://www.coolmagnetman.com/magconda.htm

The weight of a gallon of aluminum is about 22.5 pounds. A hundred of these would already be 2250 lbs. A gallon size is not unlike the size of the slugs that were pouring out the window. Look at them relative to the window size. They look small at first, but when you realize how big the towers were, the slugs were fairly large. It must have been in the thousands of pounds...."
http://www.debunking911.com


There is not ONE ugly, freakin theory that your people come up with that there isn't a logical explanation for.
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Re: ProfWag, can you explain this obvious lie and denial?

Postby Scepcop » 25 Aug 2009, 03:40

ProfWag wrote:Nope. Sure can't. And NEITHER can you! I DON"T know who said these things and when. What were they referring too? When did they say it? How many of these things were taken out of context? There are people who have said they saw molten flows. Yep, sure are! The NIST also explained them. Aluminum melts and flows (airplanes are made of aluminum). As do many other things. Skyscrapers of this size are made up of more things than just steel.

"Assume 3000 lbs of aluminum fell from the towers. If it had been molten iron produced by thermite, then 6*3000 = 18,000 lbs of thermite reactants would have been required to produce that same volume of falling mass.

Suppose 10 tons of molten aluminum fell from the south tower, about 1/8th of that available from the airplane. If it had been molten iron produced from thermite, 60 tons of thermite reactants would have to have been stored in Fuji Bank to produce the same volume spilling out of the south tower. The section of floor would have to hold all of that plus the aircraft.

*Amount of aluminum can be ascertained by counting the droplets and measuring their size compared to the known size of the window. It's not easy to get a good number on this. It's based on the number of slugs seen in video stills, their size relative to the window width which was about 22 inches, and the density of aluminum, assuming this was aluminum.

http://www.coolmagnetman.com/magconda.htm

The weight of a gallon of aluminum is about 22.5 pounds. A hundred of these would already be 2250 lbs. A gallon size is not unlike the size of the slugs that were pouring out the window. Look at them relative to the window size. They look small at first, but when you realize how big the towers were, the slugs were fairly large. It must have been in the thousands of pounds...."
http://www.debunking911.com

There is not ONE ugly, freakin theory that your people come up with that there isn't a logical explanation for.


Yes I can. He either lied or doesn't know jack sh** about 9/11. Why do you have trouble admitting that?

Those testimonials are documented with names. They were not taken out of context. Why are you trying to discredit them?

Aluminum is silvery when it melts, not bright orange!

Richard Gage explained this in the film you're afraid might change your mind, which uses the scientific method.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... +for+truth

There is no way there can be molten metal lasting 4 weeks after 9/11 from fire alone! No way.

Logical? Is it logical to believe that 19 hijackers can defy the laws of physics, and make fire bring down buildings in the path of GREATEST resistance under them, turning the mass beneath into air?!
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Re: ProfWag, can you explain this obvious lie and denial?

Postby ProfWag » 25 Aug 2009, 04:27

Can I just ask, in abbreviated but laymen's terms preferrably, what you are suggesting happened to the Twin Towers on 9/11?
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Re: ProfWag, can you explain this obvious lie and denial?

Postby Scepcop » 26 Aug 2009, 08:43

ProfWag wrote:Can I just ask, in abbreviated but laymen's terms preferrably, what you are suggesting happened to the Twin Towers on 9/11?


Haven't you been reading anything? We are not really sure. But we do know that the government's hypothesis does not fit the data, and has a trillion to one chance of occurring. And that at this point, the controlled demolition hypothesis is the best one that fits all the data.

I told you, watch "9/11 Blueprint for Truth". Just spend two hours in focused concentration. Watch with headphones so you can concentrate. Then you will see how, using the scientific method, we can derive that the controlled demoltion hypothesis is the best one that fits ALL the data.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... +for+truth

Quit talking and conjecturing. Just watch it with at least a 10 percent open mind.

Go to the link above NOW and put on your headphones and WATCH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pour some coffee if you have to, just WATCH IT!
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Re: ProfWag, can you explain this obvious lie and denial?

Postby Nostradamus » 29 Aug 2009, 00:43

Aluminum is silvery when it melts, not bright orange!

That's uninformed poppycock. Aluminum begins to glow orange as the temperature of the melt goes up.

Logical? Is it logical to believe that 19 hijackers can defy the laws of physics, and make fire bring down buildings in the path of GREATEST resistance under them, turning the mass beneath into air?!

Another unscientific statement. A building collapses straight down because of physics.

But we do know that the government's hypothesis does not fit the data, and has a trillion to one chance of occurring.

Please show us the math for your claim of 'a trillion to one', or this simply hyperbole?

And that at this point, the controlled demolition hypothesis is the best one that fits all the data.

No explosions. No explosives residue. No timers, no fuses, and no physical evidence.


Astaneh-Asl has uncovered pieces of structural steel that bear gouge marks — material removed as the Boeing 767s tore through the buildings. One column shows the impact of what Astaneh-Asl believes to be an airplane wing slicing through the steel; another, the curve of a plane's nose. These marks, Astaneh-Asl explains, could be made only by a sharp object moving very fast. (One estimate clocked the impact speed of the jetliners at 300 miles (480 kilometers) per hour.)

He has found pieces of bent steel with bolted connections intact, which indicates that the material gave way when its strength was compromised by the inferno.

In the range of 900 to 1100 degrees Fahrenheit (500 to 600 degrees Centigrade), structural steel loses about half its tensile strength, and so begins to deform and buckle under loads. At 1400 degrees Fahrenheit (800 Centigrade), only about 10-20% of the strength of steel remains. The actual melting point of steels is nearly twice as hot, at temperatures difficult to reach outside the specialized conditions of a foundry or forge.


Notice that the steel was examined to the point of finding the steel impacted by the planes, yet no evidence of explosions seen on the steel. Also, note that the temperature did not reach the melting point of steel. This is according to someone who is referenced in Gage's video. Gage is a fraud.

Bart Voorsanger talks "fused element of steel, molten steel" while a piece of something is shown in the background. I suppose that fraud Gage wants you to think the object is what the speaker is talking about.

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Re: ProfWag, can you explain this obvious lie and denial?

Postby ProfWag » 29 Aug 2009, 04:16

Thanks again Nostradamus. I watched a little bit of it, but it was obvious that they really have an agenda and weren't going to have answers for the simple questions. If they think that a controlled demolition occured at the WTC, then it would have had to have been coordinated with Al Quada since they flew planes into those buildings 2 hours before the collapse. Denying that planes flew into the buildings would be moronic in my opinion. Coordinating something on a grand scale like that with or enemies just isn't going to happen. That simple common freakin' sense question essentially rules out anything that Gage has to say and proves he's either fraudulent or a total dumbass. C'mon conspiracy theorists, THINK and use common sense!
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Re: ProfWag, can you explain this obvious lie and denial?

Postby NinjaPuppy » 29 Aug 2009, 05:40

If my $.02 is worth anything here... I went to ground zero a few days after the collapse and personally witnessed nothing but smouldering rubble. Mostly what looked like powdered concrete, small particles and massive destruction. I do remember paper being everywhere around the site. The stench hit you first, from many blocks away and it was horrid. Somewhere in my giant box of floppy discs, I have probably hundreds of pictures that I took that day as well as from subsequent visits.
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