Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?
Posted: 09 Mar 2014, 17:53
This is a rebuttal of the revisionists and much of the material of the videos FF has posted, suggesting there was more going on as the war progressed:
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschw ... -disposal/
I'm not saying that is definitive either, it is still a battle of the texts.
In all fairness, some of the treatments in the movies do provide convincing evidence it's implausible for open air pyres to work, etc. That some of the stories have been mythologised and they are being repeated with variations. There is a suggestion that some of the testimonies are in fact quite false. However it is possible the Germans started on a campaign not of deportation but annihilation at some stage, and were building up to larger and larger scale efforts. It's just not clear on an analysis of the various conflicting documents and accounts, and of course it is conveniently murky after several decades have passed to say anything on either side without good corroboration. I think it is unfortunate if survivors are fabricating stories of their experiences.
Certainly I think many of FF's initial premises were quite wrong - hitler is painted as some sort of patriot with limited ambitions for Germany and so on, as Irving portrays. the broader socio-historical context of Prussian militarism and the ambitions of the germans seems to suggest otherwise. so we move on from that to suggest that the Nazis could not have been that inhuman, it's unthinkable -- and yet so was the extent of their professed anti-Semitism and racism by today's standards in their many published remarks. and it appears that they were very happy to dispose of the infirm, the disabled etc to make way for wounded soldiers and to reduce the economic burden on everyone -- even according to posters publicly displayed by the Nazis several years before war had broken out. it was for these disturbing reasons together with rearmament and the invasion of several countries that made other countries in Europe nervous about their goals. so it doesn't seem to be just victor's justice and the victor's version of events here, no smoke without fire.
I reiterate it's probably not a suitable topic for attempted in-depth analysis on this site.
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschw ... -disposal/
I'm not saying that is definitive either, it is still a battle of the texts.
In all fairness, some of the treatments in the movies do provide convincing evidence it's implausible for open air pyres to work, etc. That some of the stories have been mythologised and they are being repeated with variations. There is a suggestion that some of the testimonies are in fact quite false. However it is possible the Germans started on a campaign not of deportation but annihilation at some stage, and were building up to larger and larger scale efforts. It's just not clear on an analysis of the various conflicting documents and accounts, and of course it is conveniently murky after several decades have passed to say anything on either side without good corroboration. I think it is unfortunate if survivors are fabricating stories of their experiences.
Certainly I think many of FF's initial premises were quite wrong - hitler is painted as some sort of patriot with limited ambitions for Germany and so on, as Irving portrays. the broader socio-historical context of Prussian militarism and the ambitions of the germans seems to suggest otherwise. so we move on from that to suggest that the Nazis could not have been that inhuman, it's unthinkable -- and yet so was the extent of their professed anti-Semitism and racism by today's standards in their many published remarks. and it appears that they were very happy to dispose of the infirm, the disabled etc to make way for wounded soldiers and to reduce the economic burden on everyone -- even according to posters publicly displayed by the Nazis several years before war had broken out. it was for these disturbing reasons together with rearmament and the invasion of several countries that made other countries in Europe nervous about their goals. so it doesn't seem to be just victor's justice and the victor's version of events here, no smoke without fire.
I reiterate it's probably not a suitable topic for attempted in-depth analysis on this site.