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Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

Postby SydneyPSIder » 23 Feb 2014, 12:28

Since we apparently want to relive the entire diplomatic and political history of WWII some 70 years later, here's a piece on the machinations behind the annexation of Czechoslovakia by the Nazis -- simple badgering and bullying of a smaller, more peaceful country to capitulate, and the use of tactics such as claiming Germans were being harassed etc. Certainly nothing like the apologist revisionist claims made in many of the videos above. These are age-old tactics used by empire builders everywhere, by the way.

Note that it was Neville Chamberlain who opposed the annexation (eventually), Winston Churchill was not yet PM, despite David Irving's retrospective contrived claims that Churchill had personal reasons to engage in war with Germany. The House of Commons had decided it was not going to tolerate any further annexations by Germany in violation of international treaties and the agreed conduct of countries towards other countries after WWI according to League of Nations protocols.

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/t ... -czech.htm

An entire informative series of articles is at:

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/t ... index.html

While some of the history has been written by the victors, I think there can be little doubt about the intent of the Nazis and their odious acts, and it was not to reunite lost German peoples in neighbouring countries. That was certainly the political pretext, but you cannot re-present deliberate Nazi propaganda devices of political expediency from the 30s now as though it was the truth.
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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

Postby FatFreddy » 23 Feb 2014, 23:51

Nonetheless, my potted version history of the causes of WWII goes something like:

What's your source? Is it mainstream stuff? The whole argument is that the mainstream lies.



You didn't respond to my last post.
There's one obvious lie told by the US government to the American people. Americans are taught that the German people turned savage and wanted to take over all of Europe to increase German territory. If we listen to these two speeches of Hitler's,...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0a0_1301486247
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... land&sm=12

...we can see that the German soldiers and people thought they were defending their territory and righting old wrongs during the war.

I'm not saying that Hitler wasn't lying to get the people and soldiers to support him when he made those speeches. It's possible that he was lying but at least we know what the people and soldiers were (perhaps wrongly) thinking.

This is one clear lie by the government. There may be others.


This is proof of a major mainstream lie.



to western Russia

Your version may turn out to be true but you're not giving any good reasons for why it should be preferred over the other version.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... orov&sm=12
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... alin&sm=12

I've seen both versions and I'm sitting on the fence until I see something convincing. I'd like to travel to that part of the world and see what the locals say about it.



Let's not overlook the alliance of Germany with Japan

This is a very good point and the revisionists seem to be ignoring it. I'd like to see this addressed by the revisionists.



You're telling me there are only 7 claimed survivors/eyewitnesses of all the Nazi activities in Poland, Germany and France?

In one of David Irving's videos he said that the whole argument for the gassings at Auschwitz was based on the testimonies of only seven of the thousands of survivors. I don't exactly remember where it was. It was in here somewhere.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... aust&sm=12

It was probably in this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMYAjyW1OFU



I'd like to hear you address something specific. What do you think of what this video says?

The Dachau Gas Chamber
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4nY6T46aGA#t=1474
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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

Postby FatFreddy » 24 Feb 2014, 00:01

Here's another one.

The Holocaust Testimonies You DIDN'T Hear
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtlPlZGvgY0
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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

Postby ProfWag » 24 Feb 2014, 00:36

FatFreddy wrote:

There's one obvious lie told by the US government to the American people. Americans are taught that the German people turned savage and wanted to take over all of Europe to increase German territory. If we listen to these two speeches of Hitler's,...

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I don't know where you went to school Freddy, but this is what I was taught:
"Propaganda served as an important tool to win over the majority of the German public who had not supported Adolf Hitler and to push forward the Nazis' radical program, which required the acquiescence, support, or participation of broad sectors of the population. Combined with the use of terror to intimidate those who did not comply, a new state propaganda apparatus headed by Joseph Goebbels sought to manipulate and deceive the German population and the outside world. At each step of the way, propagandists preached an appealing message of national unity and a utopian future that resonated with millions of Germans. Simultaneously, they waged campaigns that facilitated the persecution of Jews and others excluded from the Nazi vision of the “National Community.”"
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007822
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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

Postby ProfWag » 24 Feb 2014, 00:59

Misha wrote: Let us not fear those who would stifle such debates as being labeled a racist or anti-semitic. Using fear and guilt to suppress any debate in a democratic society flies in the face of our most cherished Amendment which guarantees that lone voice for truth.

I agree with you Misha, but there are some historical issues, such as the needless slaughter of an extremely large number of people, that is unethical in my mind. I've spent a lot of time in Germany (I used to live a couple hours drive from Burchtesgaden and had a schnitzel and beer at the Eagle's Nest). To visit the death chambers in not only Auschwitz but in Trier Italy as well and to have actually been able to talk to survivors is a humbling and extremely sad experience. Anyone who says that it didn't happen doesn't give a shit about humanity. It happened and the only right thing we can do now is learn from it, not try to deny that it didn't happen.
If there were ANY question as to whether or not this disgraceful event happened, I would say it's free game. I'm not trying to put fear or guilt into any debate (though I could), I'm only saying that it's one thing to question a story, it's another thing all together to deny that Jews were needlessly starved and gassed by an evil group of people. If you want to discuss actual numbers of people or want to discuss who was actually involved, then go for it, but for those that deny it didn't happen is immoral.
I invite you to visit Auschwitz and the Holocaust Museum in D.C. If you do and can walk away saying that the whole event was bullshit, well then, all I can say is I guess you're entitled to your opinion.
Again, these are just my thoughts.
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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

Postby SydneyPSIder » 24 Feb 2014, 04:08

Just to spell it out, FF, here's the index page lists from the history site I cited. I mean, you have pasted in dozens of links of lengthy rambling commentaries by dubious characters and so on, but you clearly haven't been bothered to read any of the short linked pages on the history site, which you can fact-check to your heart's content.

•Nazis Boycott Jewish Shops - April 1, 1933
•The Gestapo is Born - April 26, 1933
•Burning of Books - May 10, 1933
•Dachau Opens - Spring of 1933
•Night of the Long Knives - June 30, 1934
•Hitler Becomes Führer - August 2, 1934
•Triumph of the Will - September 1934
•The Nuremberg Laws - September 15, 1935
•Nazis March into the Rhineland - March 7, 1936
•The Berlin Olympics - Summer of 1936
•Hitler Reveals War Plans - November 5, 1937
•Hitler Becomes Army Commander - February 1938
•Nazis Take Austria - March 12, 1938
•Conquest at Munich - September 1938
•Night of Broken Glass - November 9, 1938
•Nazis Take Czechoslovakia - March 15, 1939
•The Nazi-Soviet Pact - August 23, 1939
•The Last Days of Peace - Summer of 1939

Here's the Holocaust timeline: http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/h ... eline.html

Here's a description of what happened at Auschwitz: http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/d ... rience.htm

If you actually read the short pages on that site, you will find that Hitler had prepared a huge army and instructed his generals to invade Poland, Belgium, France, UK, Russia, etc. He had amassed 7 million men in his army. You don't do that if you are just squabbling over tiny territories in Czechoslovakia or Poland. He created an army so large he could easily take on the other superpowers of the day one at a time, if not collectively. If you wanted to regain tiny territories, why would you bring the world to the brink of war over it? A man of good will would not throw his country into a total war with massive loss of life to 'help' a handful of Germans in neighbouring countries, and it appears they set up various incidents as false flags in order to create the impression of persecution etc. It's pretty obvious that the Nazis were psychopaths with no regard for any other person's life, as was Josef Stalin. POWs from Poland, Czechoslovakia, etc were used as slave labour in the war effort. In the years before WWII, Jews were tattooed with ID numbers, documented, had to wear yellow stars, and 400 different laws were passed preventing them from running a business to owning a cat. Then you deny the testimony of the 'final solution' -- while you repeat 'you just don't know what to think' because there are some strange youtubes out there prepared by Nazi apologists for unknown reasons.

I've watched a couple of your cited links, and even though they are riven with apologetics, it is still very easy to disentangle the Nazi pretexts, the unlikelihood of their claims, the clear and obvious transgressions of international law, human rights, and agreements they were bound under as a consequence of entering into WWI in the statements and justifications being made. There was a reason Germany had to be split up 4 ways at the end of the war to stop the Prussian military machine rising over and over. We haven't even begun to look at the cultural brainwashing of the Nazis, the 'Aryan' crap, the constant arbitration over what was culturally acceptable and what needed to be banned, burned, taken down, etc. What I find amazing is that David Irving has the hide to declare 'Jewish people have to think about what they've been doing wrong for the last 3,000 years to get into their current predicament' rather than asking perhaps what it was Germany was doing wrong to get into its current predicament.

I mean, there are people demanding 'free speech' here to be able to nut out just how good and virtuous the Nazis really were, without considering just how limited free speech was under their rule. One wrong remark would get you locked up, enslaved or killed. As was the case under Communist totalitarian regimes in Russia and China. And as is increasingly the case in the US under the Bush legacy.

So to answer your question, yes, we were told pretty much the truth about WWII.
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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

Postby FatFreddy » 24 Feb 2014, 05:13

I don't know where you went to school Freddy, but this is what I was taught:
"Propaganda served as an important tool to win over the majority of the German public who had not supported Adolf Hitler and to push forward the Nazis' radical program, which required the acquiescence, support, or participation of broad sectors of the population. Combined with the use of terror to intimidate those who did not comply, a new state propaganda apparatus headed by Joseph Goebbels sought to manipulate and deceive the German population and the outside world. At each step of the way, propagandists preached an appealing message of national unity and a utopian future that resonated with millions of Germans. Simultaneously, they waged campaigns that facilitated the persecution of Jews and others excluded from the Nazi vision of the “National Community.”"


I've seen documentaries and read articles in Time magazine that said that the German people wanted to take over Europe. I remember an article in Time magazine that said the German people had turned savage.

These two speeches were a complete surprise to me.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0a0_1301486247
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... land&sm=12

I had no idea that he'd said this to the German people. I'd had the idea that he'd said, "Let's take over Europe to expand German territory" and the German people said, "Good idea. Let's do it".

Tell us why we don't hear those two speeches in the US.

Just to spell it out, FF, here's the index page lists from the history site I cited.

What does this prove? This is just an official site spouting the official version. It's all just second-hand information. How do you know this version reflects reality?

The US government also tells the American people that it's defending freedom and democracy in the world when it intervenes in other countries. Look at the truth.
http://www.scuttlebuttsmallchow.com/racket.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/ ... _page.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Herma ... omHer.html
https://www.google.es/webhp?source=sear ... old+me+pdf

Americans are taught lies.

Knowing that, what am I supposed to think when I see info such as this?

"Robert Faurisson: The Problem Of Gas Chambers - (Le Probleme Des Chambres a Gaz)."
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... %22+&sm=12


I asked you to give your analysis of the info in this video.

The Dachau Gas Chamber
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4nY6T46aGA#t=1474

You're info doesn't make that and the other one above go away. Let's hear your analysis of the two above videos.
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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

Postby SydneyPSIder » 24 Feb 2014, 05:37

We're not going to do the research for you, FF. You do the research on both sides.

All you've done so far is replay propaganda speeches by Hitler for local consumption by the German people and told us because somebody said something it must be true. Never mind that the person saying it was a lying murdering megalomaniacal psychopath. There are accounts of slavery, mass murder, forced sterilisations, medical experiments and so on which came out of Nazi Germany -- you are proposing that all such accounts were fabricated? That the Allies just made them all up? That the Nazis did not pass edicts to euthenase the elderly, the sick and the disabled in Germany and carry them out? That they cremated 100,000 people before Bishop Clemens von Galen spoke out about it, for which three Catholic priests were beheaded?

Of course everyone mistrusted Russia back then. So why would you kill thousands of Jewish people if the Russians were the problem?

As an example, tell me which of the following events you think were perfectly OK. Or tell us if you can prove that somehow they never happened.

The History Place - Holocaust Timeline

1933

January 30, 1933 - Adolf Hitler is appointed Chancellor of Germany a nation with a Jewish population of 566,000.

February 22, 1933 - 40,000 SA and SS men are sworn in as auxiliary police.

February 27, 1933 - Nazis burn Reichstag building to create crisis atmosphere.

February 28, 1933 - Emergency powers granted to Hitler as a result of the Reichstag fire.

March 22, 1933 - Nazis open Dachau concentration camp near Munich, to be followed by Buchenwald near Weimar in central Germany, Sachsenhausen near Berlin in northern Germany, and Ravensbrück for women.

March 24, 1933 - German Parliament passes Enabling Act giving Hitler dictatorial powers.

See also: The History Place - Rise of Hitler

April 1, 1933 - Nazis stage boycott of Jewish shops and businesses.

April 11, 1933 - Nazis issue a Decree defining a non-Aryan as "anyone descended from non-Aryan, especially Jewish, parents or grandparents. One parent or grandparent classifies the descendant as non-Aryan...especially if one parent or grandparent was of the Jewish faith."

April 26, 1933 - The Gestapo is born, created by Hermann Göring in the German state of Prussia.

May 10, 1933 - Burning of books in Berlin and throughout Germany.

July 14, 1933 - Nazi Party is declared the only legal party in Germany; Also, Nazis pass Law to strip Jewish immigrants from Poland of their German citizenship.

In July - Nazis pass law allowing for forced sterilization of those found by a Hereditary Health Court to have genetic defects.

In September - Nazis establish Reich Chamber of Culture, then exclude Jews from the Arts.

September 29, 1933 - Nazis prohibit Jews from owning land.

October 4, 1933 - Jews are prohibited from being newspaper editors.

November 24, 1933 - Nazis pass a Law against Habitual and Dangerous Criminals, which allows beggars, the homeless, alcoholics and the unemployed to be sent to concentration camps.

1934

January 24, 1934 - Jews are banned from the German Labor Front.

May 17, 1934 - Jews not allowed national health insurance.

June 30, 1934 - The Night of Long Knives occurs as Hitler, Göring and Himmler conduct a purge of the SA (storm trooper) leadership.

July 20, 1934 - The SS (Schutzstaffel) is made an independent organization from the SA.

July 22, 1934 - Jews are prohibited from getting legal qualifications.

August 2, 1934 - German President von Hindenburg dies. Hitler becomes Führer.

August 19, 1934 - Hitler receives a 90 percent 'Yes' vote from German voters approving his new powers.

1935

May 21, 1935 - Nazis ban Jews from serving in the military.

June 26, 1935 - Nazis pass law allowing forced abortions on women to prevent them from passing on hereditary diseases.

August 6, 1935 - Nazis force Jewish performers/artists to join Jewish Cultural Unions.

September 15, 1935 - Nuremberg Race Laws against Jews decreed.

1936

February 10, 1936 - The German Gestapo is placed above the law.

In March - SS Deathshead division is established to guard concentration camps.

March 7, 1936 - Nazis occupy the Rhineland.

June 17, 1936 - Heinrich Himmler is appointed chief of the German Police.

August 1, 1936 - Olympic games begin in Berlin. Hitler and top Nazis seek to gain legitimacy through favorable public opinion from foreign visitors and thus temporarily refrain from actions against Jews.

In August - Nazis set up an Office for Combating Homosexuality and Abortions (by healthy women).

1937

In January - Jews are banned from many professional occupations including teaching Germans, and from being accountants or dentists. They are also denied tax reductions and child allowances.

November 8, 1937 - 'Eternal Jew' travelling exhibition opens in Munich.

1938

March 12/13, 1938 - Nazi troops enter Austria, which has a population of 200,000 Jews, mainly living in Vienna. Hitler announces Anschluss (union) with Austria.

In March - After the Anschluss, the SS is placed in charge of Jewish affairs in Austria with Adolf Eichmann establishing an Office for Jewish Emigration in Vienna. Himmler then establishes Mauthausen concentration camp near Linz.

April 22, 1938 - Nazis prohibit Aryan 'front-ownership' of Jewish businesses.

April 26, 1938 - Nazis order Jews to register wealth and property.

June 14, 1938 - Nazis order Jewish-owned businesses to register.

In July - At Evian, France, the U.S. convenes a League of Nations conference with delegates from 32 countries to consider helping Jews fleeing Hitler, but results in inaction as no country will accept them.

July 6, 1938 - Nazis prohibited Jews from trading and providing a variety of specified commercial services.

July 23, 1938 - Nazis order Jews over age 15 to apply for identity cards from the police, to be shown on demand to any police officer.

July 25, 1938 - Jewish doctors prohibited by law from practicing medicine.

August 11, 1938 - Nazis destroy the synagogue in Nuremberg.

August 17, 1938 - Nazis require Jewish women to add Sarah and men to add Israel to their names on all legal documents including passports.

September 27, 1938 - Jews are prohibited from all legal practices.

October 5, 1938 - Law requires Jewish passports to be stamped with a large red "J."

October 15, 1938 - Nazi troops occupy the Sudetenland.

October 28, 1938 - Nazis arrest 17,000 Jews of Polish nationality living in Germany, then expel them back to Poland which refuses them entry, leaving them in 'No-Man's Land' near the Polish border for several months.

November 7, 1938 - Ernst vom Rath, third secretary in the German Embassy in Paris, is shot and mortally wounded by Herschel Grynszpan, the 17-year-old son of one of the deported Polish Jews. Rath dies on November 9, precipitating Kristallnacht.

November 9/10 - Kristallnacht - The Night of Broken Glass.

November 12, 1938 - Nazis fine Jews one billion marks for damages related to Kristallnacht.

November 15, 1938 - Jewish pupils are expelled from all non-Jewish German schools.

December 3, 1938 - Law for compulsory Aryanization of all Jewish businesses.

December 14, 1938 - Hermann Göring takes charge of resolving the "Jewish Question."

1939

January 24, 1939 - SS leader Reinhard Heydrich is ordered by Göring to speed up the emigration of Jews.

January 30, 1939 - Hitler threatens Jews during Reichstag speech.

February 21, 1939 - Nazis force Jews to hand over all gold and silver items.

March 15/16 - Nazi troops seize Czechoslovakia (Jewish pop. 350,000).

April 19, 1939 - Slovakia passes its own version of the Nuremberg Laws.

April 30, 1939 - Jews lose rights as tenants and are relocated into Jewish houses.

In May - The St. Louis, a ship crowded with 930 Jewish refugees, is turned away by Cuba, the United States and other countries and returns to Europe.

July 4, 1939 - German Jews denied the right to hold government jobs.

July 21, 1939 - Adolf Eichmann is appointed director of the Prague Office of Jewish Emigration.

September 1, 1939 - Nazis invade Poland (Jewish pop. 3.35 million, the largest in Europe). Beginning of SS activity in Poland.

See also: The History Place - World War II in Europe Timeline

September 1, 1939 - Jews in Germany are forbidden to be outdoors after 8 p.m. in winter and 9 p.m. in summer.

September 3, 1939 - Great Britain and France declare war on Germany.

September 4, 1939 - Warsaw is cut off by the German Army.

September 17, 1939 - Soviet troops invade eastern Poland.

September 21, 1939 - Heydrich issues instructions to SS Einsatzgruppen (special action squads) in Poland regarding treatment of Jews, stating they are to be gathered into ghettos near railroads for the future "final goal." He also orders a census and the establishment of Jewish administrative councils within the ghettos to implement Nazi policies and decrees.

September 23, 1939 - German Jews are forbidden to own wireless (radio) sets.

September 27, 1939 - Warsaw surrenders; Heydrich becomes leader of RSHA.

September 29, 1939 - Nazis and Soviets divide up Poland. Over two million Jews reside in Nazi controlled areas, leaving 1.3 million in the Soviet area.

In September - Quote from Nazi newspaper, Der Stürmer, published by Julius Streicher - "The Jewish people ought to be exterminated root and branch. Then the plague of pests would have disappeared in Poland at one stroke."

In October - Nazis begin euthanasia on sick and disabled in Germany.

October 6, 1939 - Proclamation by Hitler on the isolation of Jews.

October 12, 1939 - Evacuation of Jews from Vienna.

October 12, 1939 - Hans Frank appointed Nazi Gauleiter (governor) of Poland.

October 26, 1939 - Forced labor decree issued for Polish Jews aged 14 to 60.

November 23, 1939 - Yellow stars required to be worn by Polish Jews over age 10.

In December - Adolf Eichmann takes over section IV B4 of the Gestapo dealing solely with Jewish affairs and evacuations.

1940

January 25, 1940 - Nazis choose the town of Oswiecim (Auschwitz) in Poland near Krakow as the site of a new concentration camp.

In January - Quote from Nazi newspaper, Der Stürmer, published by Julius Streicher - "The time is near when a machine will go into motion which is going to prepare a grave for the world's criminal - Judah - from which there will be no resurrection."

February 12, 1940 - First deportation of German Jews into occupied Poland.

April 9, 1940 - Nazis invade Denmark (Jewish pop. 8,000) and Norway (Jewish pop. 2,000).

April 30, 1940 - The Lodz Ghetto in occupied Poland is sealed off from the outside world with 230,000 Jews locked inside.

May 1, 1940 - Rudolf Höss is chosen to be kommandant of Auschwitz.

May 10, 1940 - Nazis invade France (Jewish pop. 350,000), Belgium (Jewish pop. 65,000), Holland (Jewish pop. 140,000), and Luxembourg (Jewish pop. 3,500).

June 14, 1940 - Paris is occupied by the Nazis.

June 22, 1940 - France signs an armistice with Hitler.

In July - Eichmann's Madagascar Plan is presented, proposing to deport all European Jews to the island of Madagascar, off the coast of east Africa.

July 17, 1940 - The first anti-Jewish measures are taken in Vichy France.

August 8, 1940 - Romania introduces anti-Jewish measures restricting education and employment, then later begins "Romanianization" of Jewish businesses.

September 27, 1940 - Tripartite (Axis) Pact signed by Germany, Italy and Japan.

October 3, 1940 - Vichy France passes its own version of the Nuremberg Laws.

October 7, 1940 - Nazis invade Romania (Jewish pop. 34,000).

October 22, 1940 - Deportation of 29,000 German Jews from Baden, the Saar, and Alsace-Lorraine into Vichy France.

In November - Hungary, Romania, and Slovakia become Nazi Allies.

In November - The Krakow Ghetto is sealed off containing 70,000 Jews.

November 15, 1940 - The Warsaw Ghetto, containing over 400,000 Jews, is sealed off.

1941

In 1941 - Hans Frank, Gauleiter of Poland, states, "I ask nothing of the Jews except that they should disappear."

In January - Quote from Nazi newspaper, Der Stürmer, published by Julius Streicher - "Now judgment has begun and it will reach its conclusion only when knowledge of the Jews has been erased from the earth."

In January - A pogrom in Romania results in over 2,000 Jews killed.

February 22, 1941 - 430 Jewish hostages are deported from Amsterdam after a Dutch Nazi is killed by Jews.

In March - Hitler's Commissar Order authorizes execution of anyone suspected of being a Communist official in territories about to be seized from Soviet Russia.

March 1, 1941 - Himmler makes his first visit to Auschwitz, during which he orders Kommandant Höss to begin massive expansion, including a new compound to be built at nearby Birkenau that can hold 100,000 prisoners.

March 2, 1941 - Nazis occupy Bulgaria (Jewish pop. 50,000).

March 7, 1941 - German Jews ordered into forced labor.

March 26, 1941 - The German Army High Command gives approval to RSHA and Heydrich on the tasks of SS murder squads (Einsatzgruppen) in occupied Poland.

March 29, 1941 - A 'Commissariat' for Jewish Affairs is set up in Vichy France.

April 6, 1941 - Nazis invade Yugoslavia (Jewish pop. 75,000) and Greece (Jewish pop. 77,000).

May 14, 1941 - 3,600 Jews arrested in Paris.

May 16, 1941 - French Marshal Petain issues a radio broadcast approving collaboration with Hitler.

June 22, 1941 - Nazis invade Russia (Jewish pop. 3 million).

June 29/30 - Romanian troops conduct a pogrom against Jews in the town of Jassy, killing 10,000.

Summer - Himmler summons Auschwitz Kommandant Höss to Berlin and tells him, "The Führer has ordered the Final Solution of the Jewish question. We, the SS, have to carry out this order...I have therefore chosen Auschwitz for this purpose."

In July - As the German Army advances, SS Einsatzgruppen follow along and conduct mass murder of Jews in seized lands.

In July - Ghettos established at Kovno, Minsk, Vitebsk and Zhitomer. Also in July, the government of Vichy France seizes Jewish owned property.

July 17, 1941 - Nazi racial 'philosopher' Alfred Rosenberg is appointed Reich Minister for the Eastern Occupied Territories to administer territories seized from the Soviet Union.

July 21, 1941 - In occupied Poland near Lublin, Majdanek concentration camp becomes operational.

July 25/26 - 3,800 Jews killed during a pogrom by Lithuanians in Kovno.

July 31, 1941 - Göring instructs Heydrich to prepare for Final Solution.

In August - Jews in Romania forced into Transnistria. By December, 70,000 perish.

In August - Ghettos established at Bialystok and Lvov.

August 26, 1941 - The Hungarian Army rounds up 18,000 Jews at Kamenets-Podolsk.

September 3, 1941 - The first test use of Zyklon-B gas at Auschwitz.

September 1, 1941 - German Jews ordered to wear yellow stars.

September 6, 1941 - The Vilna Ghetto is established containing 40,000 Jews.

September 17, 1941 - Beginning of general deportation of German Jews.

September 19, 1941 - Nazis take Kiev.

September 27/28 - 23,000 Jews killed at Kamenets-Podolsk, in the Ukraine.

September 29/30 - SS Einsatzgruppen murder 33,771 Jews at Babi Yar near Kiev.

In October - 35,000 Jews from Odessa shot.

October 2, 1941 - Beginning of the German Army drive on Moscow.

October 23, 1941 - Nazis forbid emigration of Jews from the Reich.

In November - SS Einsatzgruppe B reports a tally of 45,476 Jews killed.

November 24, 1941 - Theresienstadt Ghetto is established near Prague, Czechoslovakia. The Nazis will use it as a model ghetto for propaganda purposes.

November 30, 1941 - Near Riga, a mass shooting of Latvian and German Jews.

December 7, 1941 - Japanese attack United States at Pearl Harbor. The next day the U.S. and Great Britain declare war on Japan.

December 8, 1941 - In occupied Poland, near Lodz, Chelmno extermination camp becomes operational. Jews taken there are placed in mobile gas vans and driven to a burial place while carbon monoxide from the engine exhaust is fed into the sealed rear compartment, killing them. The first gassing victims include 5,000 Gypsies who had been deported from the Reich to Lodz.

December 11, 1941 - Hitler declares war on the United States. President Roosevelt then asks Congress for a declaration of war on Germany saying, "Never before has there been a greater challenge to life, liberty and civilization." The U.S.A. then enters the war in Europe and will concentrate nearly 90 percent of its military resources to defeat Hitler.

December 12, 1941 - The ship "Struma" leaves Romania for Palestine carrying 769 Jews but is later denied permission by British authorities to allow the passengers to disembark. In February 1942, it sails back into the Black Sea where it is intercepted by a Russian submarine and sunk as an "enemy target."

December 16, 1941 - During a cabinet meeting, Hans Frank, Gauleiter of Poland, states - "Gentlemen, I must ask you to rid yourselves of all feeling of pity. We must annihilate the Jews wherever we find them and wherever it is possible in order to maintain there the structure of the Reich as a whole..."

1942

In January - Mass killings of Jews using Zyklon-B begin at Auschwitz-Birkenau in Bunker I (the red farmhouse) in Birkenau with the bodies being buried in mass graves in a nearby meadow.

January 20, 1942 - Wannsee Conference to coordinate the "Final Solution."

January 31, 1942 - SS Einsatzgruppe A reports a tally of 229,052 Jews killed.

In March - In occupied Poland, Belzec extermination camp becomes operational. The camp is fitted with permanent gas chambers using carbon monoxide piped in from engines placed outside the chamber, but will later substitute Zyklon-B.

March 17, 1942 - The deportation of Jews from Lublin to Belzec.

March 24, 1942 - The start of deportation of Slovak Jews to Auschwitz.

March 27, 1942 - The start of deportation of French Jews to Auschwitz.

March 28, 1942 - Fritz Sauckel named Chief of Manpower to expedite recruitment of slave labor.

March 30, 1942 - First trainloads of Jews from Paris arrive at Auschwitz.

In April - First transports of Jews arrive at Majdanek.

April 20, 1942 - German Jews are banned from using public transportation.

In May - In occupied Poland, Sobibor extermination camp becomes operational. The camp is fitted with three gas chambers using carbon monoxide piped in from engines, but will later substitute Zyklon-B.

May 18, 1942 - The New York Times reports on an inside page that Nazis have machine-gunned over 100,000 Jews in the Baltic states, 100,000 in Poland and twice as many in western Russia.

May 27, 1942 - SS leader Heydrich is mortally wounded by Czech Underground agents.

In June - Gas vans used in Riga.

June 1, 1942 - Jews in France, Holland, Belgium, Croatia, Slovakia, Romania ordered to wear yellow stars.

June 4, 1942 - Heydrich dies of his wounds.

June 5, 1942 - SS report 97,000 persons have been "processed" in mobile gas vans.

June 10, 1942 - Nazis liquidate Lidice in retaliation for Heydrich's death.

June 11, 1942 - Eichmann meets with representatives from France, Belgium and Holland to coordinate deportation plans for Jews.

June 30, 1942 - At Auschwitz, a second gas chamber, Bunker II (the white farmhouse), is made operational at Birkenau due to the number of Jews arriving.

June 30 and July 2 - The New York Times reports via the London Daily Telegraph that over 1,000,000 Jews have already been killed by Nazis.

Summer - Swiss representatives of the World Jewish Congress receive information from a German industrialist regarding the Nazi plan to exterminate the Jews. They then pass the information on to London and Washington.

July 2, 1942 - Jews from Berlin sent to Theresienstadt.

July 7, 1942 - Himmler grants permission for sterilization experiments at Auschwitz.

July 14, 1942 - Beginning of deportation of Dutch Jews to Auschwitz.

July 16/17 - 12,887 Jews of Paris are rounded up and sent to Drancy Internment Camp located outside the city. A total of approximately 74,000 Jews, including 11,000 children, will eventually be transported from Drancy to Auschwitz, Majdanek and Sobibor.

July 17/18 - Himmler visits Auschwitz-Birkenau for two days, inspecting all ongoing construction and expansion, then observes the extermination process from start to finish as two trainloads of Jews arrive from Holland. Kommandant Höss is then promoted. Construction includes four large gas chamber/crematories.

July 19, 1942 - Himmler orders Operation Reinhard, mass deportations of Jews in Poland to extermination camps.

July 22, 1942 - Beginning of deportations from the Warsaw Ghetto to the new extermination camp, Treblinka. Also, beginning of the deportation of Belgian Jews to Auschwitz.

July 23, 1942 - Treblinka extermination camp opened in occupied Poland, east of Warsaw. The camp is fitted with two buildings containing 10 gas chambers, each holding 200 persons. Carbon monoxide gas is piped in from engines placed outside the chamber, but Zyklon-B will later be substituted. Bodies are burned in open pits.

In August - The start of deportations of Croatian Jews to Auschwitz.

August 23, 1942 - Beginning of German Army attack on Stalingrad in Russia.

August 26-28 - 7,000 Jews arrested in unoccupied France.

September 9, 1942 - Open pit burning of bodies begins at Auschwitz in place of burial. The decision is made to dig up and burn those already buried, 107,000 corpses, to prevent fouling of ground water.

September 18, 1942 - Reduction of food rations for Jews in Germany.

September 26, 1942 - SS begins cashing in possessions and valuables of Jews from Auschwitz and Majdanek. German banknotes are sent to the Reichs Bank. Foreign currency, gold, jewels and other valuables are sent to SS Headquarters of the Economic Administration. Watches, clocks and pens are distributed to troops at the front. Clothing is distributed to German families. By February 1943, over 800 boxcars of confiscated goods will have left Auschwitz.

October 5, 1942 - Himmler orders all Jews in concentration camps in Germany to be sent to Auschwitz and Majdanek.

October 5, 1942 - A German eyewitness observes SS mass murder.

October 14, 1942 - Mass killing of Jews from Mizocz Ghetto in the Ukraine.

October 22, 1942 - SS put down a revolt at Sachsenhausen by a group of Jews about to be sent to Auschwitz.

October 25, 1942 - Deportations of Jews from Norway to Auschwitz begin.

October 28, 1942 - The first transport from Theresienstadt arrives at Auschwitz.

In November - The mass killing of 170,000 Jews in the area of Bialystok.

December 10, 1942 - The first transport of Jews from Germany arrives at Auschwitz.

In December - Exterminations at Belzec cease after an estimated 600,000 Jews have been murdered. The camp is then dismantled, plowed over and planted.

December 17, 1942 - British Foreign Secretary Eden tells the British House of Commons the Nazis are "now carrying into effect Hitler's oft repeated intention to exterminate the Jewish people of Europe." The U.S. declares those crimes will be avenged.

December 28, 1942 - Sterilization experiments on women at Birkenau begin.

1943

In 1943 - The number of Jews killed by SS Einsatzgruppen passes one million. Nazis then use special units of slave laborers to dig up and burn the bodies to remove all traces.

January 18, 1943 - First resistance by Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto.

January 29, 1943 - Nazis order all Gypsies arrested and sent to extermination camps.

January 30, 1943 - Ernst Kaltenbrunner succeeds Heydrich as head of RSHA.

In February - The Romanian government proposes to the Allies the transfer of 70,000 Jews to Palestine, but receives no response from Britain or the U.S.

In February - Greek Jews are ordered into ghettos.

February 2, 1943 - Germans surrender to Russian troops at Stalingrad in the first big defeat of Hitler's armies.

February 27, 1943 - Jews working in Berlin armaments industry are sent to Auschwitz.

In March - The start of deportations of Jews from Greece to Auschwitz, lasting until August, totaling 49,900 persons.

March 1, 1943 - In New York, American Jews hold a mass rally at Madison Square Garden to pressure the U.S. government into helping the Jews of Europe.

March 14, 1943 - The Krakow Ghetto is liquidated.

March 17, 1943 - Bulgaria states opposition to deportation of its Jews.

March 22, 1943 - Newly built gas chamber/crematory IV opens at Auschwitz.

March 31, 1943 - Newly built gas chamber/crematory II opens at Auschwitz.

April 4, 1943 - Newly built gas chamber/crematory V opens at Auschwitz.

April 9, 1943 - Exterminations at Chelmno cease. The camp will be reactivated in the spring of 1944 to liquidate ghettos. In all, Chelmno will total 300,000 deaths.

April 19-30 - The Bermuda Conference occurs as representatives from the United States and Britain discuss the problem of refugees from Nazi-occupied countries, but results in inaction concerning the plight of the Jews.

April 19, 1943 - Waffen-SS attacks Jewish Resistance in Warsaw Ghetto.

In May - SS Dr. Josef Mengele arrives at Auschwitz.

May 13, 1943 - German and Italian troops in North Africa surrender to Allies.

May 19, 1943 - Nazis declare Berlin to be Judenfrei (cleansed of Jews).

June 11, 1943 - Himmler orders liquidation of all Jewish ghettos in occupied Poland.

June 25, 1943 - Newly built gas chamber/crematory III opens at Auschwitz. With its completion, the four new crematories at Auschwitz have a daily capacity of 4,756 bodies.

July 9/10 - Allied troops land in Sicily.

August 2, 1943 - Two hundred Jews escape from Treblinka extermination camp during a revolt. Nazis then hunt them down one by one.

August 16, 1943 - The Bialystok Ghetto is liquidated.

In August - Exterminations cease at Treblinka, after an estimated 870,000 deaths.

In September - The Vilna and Minsk Ghettos are liquidated.

September 11, 1943 - Germans occupy Rome, after occupying northern and central Italy, containing in all about 35,000 Jews.

September 11, 1943 - Beginning of Jewish family transports from Theresienstadt to Auschwitz.

In October - The Danish Underground helps transport 7,220 Danish Jews to safety in Sweden by sea.

October 4 - Himmler talks openly about the Final Solution at Posen.

October 14, 1943 - Massive escape from Sobibor as Jews and Soviet POWs break out, with 300 making it safely into nearby woods. Of those 300, fifty will survive. Exterminations then cease at Sobibor, after over 250,000 deaths. All traces of the death camp are then removed and trees are planted.

October 16, 1943 - Jews in Rome rounded up, with over 1,000 sent to Auschwitz.

In November - The Riga Ghetto is liquidated.

In November - The U.S. Congress holds hearings regarding the U.S. State Department's inaction regarding European Jews, despite mounting reports of mass extermination.

November 3, 1943 - Nazis carry out Operation Harvest Festival in occupied Poland, killing 42,000 Jews.

November 4, 1943 - Quote from Nazi newspaper, Der Stürmer, published by Julius Streicher - "It is actually true that the Jews have, so to speak, disappeared from Europe and that the Jewish 'Reservoir of the East' from which the Jewish pestilence has for centuries beset the peoples of Europe has ceased to exist. But the Führer of the German people at the beginning of the war prophesied what has now come to pass."

November 11, 1943 - Auschwitz Kommandant Höss is promoted to chief inspector of concentration camps. The new kommandant, Liebehenschel, then divides up the vast Auschwitz complex of over 30 sub-camps into three main sections.

December 2, 1943 - The first transport of Jews from Vienna arrives at Auschwitz.

December 16, 1943 - The chief surgeon at Auschwitz reports that 106 castration operations have been performed.

1944

January 3, 1944 - Russian troops reach former Polish border.

January 24, 1944 - In response to political pressure to help Jews under Nazi control, President Roosevelt creates the War Refugee Board.

January 25, 1944 - Diary entry by Hans Frank, Gauleiter of Poland, concerning the fate of 2.5 million Jews originally under his jurisdiction - "At the present time we still have in the General Government perhaps 100,000 Jews."

In February - Eichmann visits Auschwitz.

March 19, 1944 - Nazis occupy Hungary (Jewish pop. 725,000). Eichmann arrives with Gestapo "Special Section Commandos."

March 24, 1944 - President Roosevelt issues a statement condemning German and Japanese ongoing "crimes against humanity."

April 5, 1944 - A Jewish inmate, Siegfried Lederer, escapes from Auschwitz-Birkenau and makes it safely to Czechoslovakia. He then warns the Elders of the Council at Theresienstadt about Auschwitz.

April 6, 1944 - Nazis raid a French home for Jewish children.

April 7, 1944 - Two Jewish inmates escape from Auschwitz-Birkenau and make it safely to Czechoslovakia. One of them, Rudolf Vrba, submits a report to the Papal Nuncio in Slovakia which is forwarded to the Vatican, received there in mid June.

April 14, 1944 - First transports of Jews from Athens to Auschwitz, totaling 5,200 persons.

In May - Himmler's agents secretly propose to the Western Allies to trade Jews for trucks, other commodities or money.

May 8, 1944 - Rudolf Höss returns to Auschwitz, ordered by Himmler to oversee the extermination of Hungarian Jews.

May 15, 1944 - Beginning of the deportation of Jews from Hungary to Auschwitz.

May 16, 1944 - Jews from Hungary arrive at Auschwitz. Eichmann arrives to personally oversee and speed up the extermination process. By May 24, an estimated 100,000 have been gassed. Between May 16 and May 31, the SS report collecting 88 pounds of gold and white metal from the teeth of those gassed. By the end of June, 381,661 persons - half of the Jews in Hungary - arrive at Auschwitz.

In June - A Red Cross delegation visits Theresienstadt after the Nazis have carefully prepared the camp and the Jewish inmates, resulting in a favorable report.

June 6, 1944 - D-Day: Allied landings in Normandy on the coast of northern France.

June 12, 1944 - Rosenberg orders Hay Action, the kidnapping of 40,000 Polish children aged ten to fourteen for slave labor in the Reich.

Summer - Auschwitz-Birkenau records its highest-ever daily number of persons gassed and burned at just over 9,000. Six huge pits are used to burn bodies, as the number exceeds the capacity of the crematories.

In July - Swedish diplomat Raoul Wallenberg arrives in Budapest, Hungary, and proceeds to save nearly 33,000 Jews by issuing diplomatic papers and establishing 'safe houses.'

July 24, 1944 - Russian troops liberate the first concentration camp, at Majdanek where over 360,000 had been murdered.

August 4, 1944 - Anne Frank and family are arrested by the Gestapo in Amsterdam, then sent to Auschwitz. Anne and her sister Margot are later sent to Bergen-Belsen where Anne dies of typhus on March 15, 1945.

August 6, 1944 - Lodz, the last Jewish ghetto in Poland, is liquidated with 60,000 Jews sent to Auschwitz.

October 7, 1944 - A revolt by Sonderkommando (Jewish slave laborers) at Auschwitz-Birkenau results in complete destruction of Crematory IV.

October 15, 1944 - Nazis seize control of the Hungarian puppet government, then resume deporting Jews, which had temporarily ceased due to international political pressure to stop Jewish persecutions.

October 17, 1944 - Eichmann arrives in Hungary.

October 28, 1944 - The last transport of Jews to be gassed, 2,000 from Theresienstadt, arrives at Auschwitz.

October 30, 1944 - Last use of the gas chambers at Auschwitz.

November 8, 1944 - Nazis force 25,000 Jews to walk over 100 miles in rain and snow from Budapest to the Austrian border, followed by a second forced march of 50,000 persons, ending at Mauthausen.

November 25, 1944 - Himmler orders destruction of the crematories at Auschwitz.

Late 1944 - Oskar Schindler saves 1200 Jews by moving them from Plaszow labor camp to his hometown of Brunnlitz.

1945

In 1945 - As Allied troops advance, the Nazis conduct death marches of concentration camp inmates away from outlying areas.

January 6, 1945 - Russians liberate Budapest, freeing over 80,000 Jews.

January 14, 1945 - Invasion of eastern Germany by Russian troops.

January 17, 1945 - Liberation of Warsaw by the Russians.

January 18, 1945 - Nazis evacuate 66,000 from Auschwitz.

January 27, 1945 - Russian troops liberate Auschwitz. By this time, an estimated 2,000,000 persons, including 1,500,000 Jews, have been murdered there.

April 4, 1945 - Ohrdruf camp is liberated, later visited by General Eisenhower.

April 10, 1945 - Allies liberate Buchenwald.

April 15, 1945 - Approximately 40,000 prisoners freed at Bergen-Belsen by the British, who report "both inside and outside the huts was a carpet of dead bodies, human excreta, rags and filth."

April 23, 1945 - Berlin is reached by Russian troops.

April 29, 1945 - U.S. 7th Army liberates Dachau.

April 30, 1945 - Hitler commits suicide in his Berlin bunker.

April 30, 1945 - Americans free 33,000 inmates from concentration camps.

May 2, 1945 - Theresienstadt taken over by the Red Cross.

May 5, 1945 - Mauthausen liberated.

May 7, 1945 - Unconditional German surrender signed by General Alfred Jodl at Reims.

May 9, 1945 - Hermann Göring captured by members of U.S. 7th Army.

May 23, 1945 - SS-Reichsführer Himmler commits suicide while in British custody.

November 20, 1945 - Opening of the Nuremberg International Military Tribunal.

1946

March 11, 1946 - Former Auschwitz Kommandant Höss, posing as a farm worker, is arrested by the British. He testifies at Nuremberg, then is later tried in Warsaw, found guilty and hanged at Auschwitz, April 16, 1947, near Crematory I. "History will mark me as the greatest mass murderer of all time," Höss writes while in prison, along with his memoirs about Auschwitz.

October 16, 1946 - Göring commits suicide two hours before the scheduled execution of the first group of major Nazi war criminals at Nuremberg. During his imprisonment, a (now repentant) Hans Frank states, "A thousand years will pass and the guilt of Germany will not be erased." Frank and the others are hanged and the bodies are brought to Dachau and burned (the final use of the crematories there) with the ashes then scattered into a river.

December 9, 1946 - 23 former SS doctors and scientists go on trial before a U.S. Military Tribunal at Nuremberg. Sixteen are found guilty, with 7 hanged.

1947

September 15, 1947 - Twenty one former SS-Einsatz leaders go on trial before a U.S. Military Tribunal in Nuremberg. Fourteen are sentenced to death, with only 4 (the group commanders) actually being executed - the other death sentences having been commuted.

1960

May 11, 1960 - Adolf Eichmann is captured in Argentina by the Israeli secret service.

1961

April 11 - August 14 - Eichmann on trial in Jerusalem for crimes against the Jewish people, crimes against humanity and war crimes. Found guilty and hanged at Ramleh on May 31, 1962. A fellow Nazi reported Eichmann once said "he would leap laughing into the grave because the feeling that he had five million people on his conscience would be for him a source of extraordinary satisfaction."

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II. The Triumph of Hitler - the prewar years of Nazi Germany.
III. The Defeat of Hitler - the quest for a Nazi empire.

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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

Postby SydneyPSIder » 24 Feb 2014, 05:43

Let me get this straight, FF, you're saying none of the following ever happened, for instance?


Nazi Euthanasia


In October of 1939 amid the turmoil of the outbreak of war Hitler ordered widespread "mercy killing" of the sick and disabled.

Code named "Aktion T 4," the Nazi euthanasia program to eliminate "life unworthy of life" at first focused on newborns and very young children. Midwives and doctors were required to register children up to age three who showed symptoms of mental retardation, physical deformity, or other symptoms included on a questionnaire from the Reich Health Ministry.

A decision on whether to allow the child to live was then made by three medical experts solely on the basis of the questionnaire, without any examination and without reading any medical records.

Each expert placed a + mark in red pencil or - mark in blue pencil under the term "treatment" on a special form. A red plus mark meant a decision to kill the child. A blue minus sign meant a decision against killing. Three plus symbols resulted in a euthanasia warrant being issued and the transfer of the child to a 'Children's Specialty Department' for death by injection or gradual starvation.

The decision had to be unanimous. In cases where the decision was not unanimous the child was kept under observation and another attempt would be made to get a unanimous decision.

The Nazi euthanasia program quickly expanded to include older disabled children and adults. Hitler's decree of October, 1939, typed on his personal stationary, enlarged "the authority of certain physicians to be designated by name in such manner that persons who, according to human judgment, are incurable can, upon a most careful diagnosis of their condition of sickness, be accorded a mercy death."

Questionnaires were then distributed to mental institutions, hospitals and other institutions caring for the chronically ill.

Patients had to be reported if they suffered from schizophrenia, epilepsy, senile disorders, therapy resistant paralysis and syphilitic diseases, retardation, encephalitis, Huntington's chorea and other neurological conditions, also those who had been continuously in institutions for at least 5 years, or were criminally insane, or did not posses German citizenship or were not of German or related blood, including Jews, Negroes, and Gypsies.

A total of six killing centers were established including the well known psychiatric clinic at Hadamar. The euthanasia program was eventually headed by an SS man named Christian Wirth, a notorious brute with the nickname 'the savage Christian.'

At Brandenburg, a former prison was converted into a killing center where the first Nazi experimental gassings took place. The gas chambers were disguised as shower rooms, but were actually hermetically sealed chambers connected by pipes to cylinders of carbon monoxide. Patients were generally drugged before being led naked into the gas chamber. Each killing center included a crematorium where the bodies were taken for disposal. Families were then falsely told the cause of death was medical such as heart failure or pneumonia.

The smoking chimney of the Hadamar Killing CenterBut the huge increase in the death rate for the disabled combined with the very obvious plumes of odorous smoke over the killing centers aroused suspicion and fear. At Hadamar, for example, local children even taunted arriving busloads of patients by saying "here comes some more to be gassed."

On August 3, 1941, a Catholic Bishop, Clemens von Galen, delivered a sermon in Münster Cathedral attacking the Nazi euthanasia program calling it "plain murder." The sermon sent a shockwave through the Nazi leadership by publicly condemning the program and urged German Catholics to "withdraw ourselves and our faithful from their (Nazi) influence so that we may not be contaminated by their thinking and their ungodly behavior."

As a result, on August 23, Hitler suspended Aktion T4, which had accounted for nearly a hundred thousand deaths by this time.

The Nazis retaliated against the Bishop by beheading three parish priests who had distributed his sermon, but left the Bishop unharmed to avoid making him into a martyr.

However, the Nazi euthanasia program quietly continued, but without the widespread gassings. Drugs and starvation were used instead and doctors were encouraged to decide in favor of death whenever euthanasia was being considered.

The use of gas chambers at the euthanasia killing centers ultimately served as training centers for the SS. They used the technical knowledge and experience gained during the euthanasia program to construct huge killing centers at Auschwitz, Treblinka and other concentration camps in an attempt to exterminate the entire Jewish population of Europe. SS personnel from the euthanasia killing centers, notably Wirth, Franz Reichleitner and Franz Stangl later commanded extermination camps.

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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

Postby SydneyPSIder » 24 Feb 2014, 05:47

FF, are you proposing that the members of this BB somehow go and find any eyewitness survivors from 70 years ago and re-interview them all over again and try to confirm the above types of investigations that were conducted in the late 1940s for ourselves to satisfy your bullshit queries about some youtube videos? I mean, what other avenue of enquiry could possibly satisfy you? Every historical account you say probably isn't true. What level of evidence do you now expect?
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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

Postby FatFreddy » 24 Feb 2014, 05:48

you are proposing that all such accounts were fabricated? That the Allies just made them all up?

This video makes a good case that a lot of it was made up.

BUCHENWALD A Dumb Dumb Portrayal Of Evil
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... vil+&sm=12

So does this one.

The Dachau Gas Chamber
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4nY6T46aGA#t=1474


I'd really like to hear your analysis of what this guy says.

"Robert Faurisson: The Problem Of Gas Chambers - (Le Probleme Des Chambres a Gaz)."
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... %22+&sm=12

That list you posted is just second-hand info and it doesn't make the info in the above video go away. I hate to say this but you are being less-than-objective.
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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

Postby ProfWag » 24 Feb 2014, 05:51

May I please refer you to my favorite book, and one of the best books ever written which is "Man's Search for Meaning" by Dr. Viktor Frankl.
Oh, and sorry, it's probably not on you-tube but there is quite a bit of material on it that you can read in the internet if you don't want to pay the $15 for the book.
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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

Postby FatFreddy » 24 Feb 2014, 05:55

Let me get this straight, FF, you're saying none of the following ever happened, for instance?


Nazi Euthanasia


In October of 1939 amid the turmoil of the outbreak of war Hitler ordered widespread "mercy killing" of the sick and disabled.

Code named "Aktion T 4," the Nazi euthanasia program to eliminate "life unworthy of life" at first focused on newborns and very young children. Midwives and doctors were required to register children up to age three who showed symptoms of mental retardation, physical deformity, or other symptoms included on a questionnaire from the Reich Health Ministry. .............................................................................................................................................The use of gas chambers at the euthanasia killing centers ultimately served as training centers for the SS. They used the technical knowledge and experience gained during the euthanasia program to construct huge killing centers at Auschwitz, Treblinka and other concentration camps in an attempt to exterminate the entire Jewish population of Europe. SS personnel from the euthanasia killing centers, notably Wirth, Franz Reichleitner and Franz Stangl later commanded extermination camps.


A lot of the stuff we're told they did is probably true. I'm just trying to separate the stuff they really did from the exaggerations and distortions. A bunch of second-hand info from a mainstream American source is not to be taken as fact though. It has to be classified as "Possibly true or possibly false". It might turn out that they really did euthanize retarded people, etc.

Let's hear your analysis of what that French guy said about the gas chambers.
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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

Postby FatFreddy » 24 Feb 2014, 06:00

What level of evidence do you now expect?


Second hand info and testimonies may or may not be true. We have to give serious consideration to stuff such as this.

"Robert Faurisson: The Problem Of Gas Chambers - (Le Probleme Des Chambres a Gaz)."
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... %22+&sm=12

The Dachau Gas Chamber
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4nY6T46aGA#t=1474

Auschwitz - Why The Gas Chambers Are A Myth
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... Myth&sm=12

ONE THIRD of the HOLOCAUST
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... UST+&sm=12
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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

Postby SydneyPSIder » 24 Feb 2014, 06:06

BS. Not interested.
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