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Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

Postby FatFreddy » 18 Jul 2014, 04:53

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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

Postby FatFreddy » 20 Jul 2014, 04:53

At the 1:03:50 time mark of this video we are told what Hitler's offer of peace to England was during the battle of Britain.

"Firestorm Over Dresden (full)"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhFLTP5 ... _BgDDWQzBz

Go back to the 57:25 time mark to see more details.
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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

Postby FatFreddy » 20 Jul 2014, 04:59

Listen to what this guy says about the twenty five hundred people being gassed at the same time at the 1:00 time mark of this video.

Holocaust Lies by three brothers (cousins)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92vWPemwUFI

Now watch this video.

Robert Faurisson The Problem Of Gas Chambers Le Probleme Des Chambres a Gaz FRA avec ENG SUB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fk7NVnOu0Y

When a testimony contradicts science, the testimony is obviously bogus.
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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

Postby Scepcop » 24 Jul 2014, 23:56

It is true that what we are told about WWII is very one-sided. There are two sides to every story. However, a lot of these revisionist history documentaries and websites are also very one-sided and cherry pick the info they want.

Some of them try to portray Hitler as a saint who did no wrong. That's going too far.

Hitler did have good reasons for invading Poland. But why then after that, did he go on to invade many more countries, and pulverized Warsaw, the capitol of Poland? The revisionists have no way of justifying that.

Hitler said he wanted peace, not war. But then why did he attack so many countries, especially Russia, where he invaded with the largest army in world history, comprised of 3 million troops.

It is true that Hitler wanted peace with England, but Churchill refused though. The US media is unfair to not let that be known.

Yeah the Holocaust may be exaggerated. But there are way too many witnesses of the gas chambers for it to have been untrue. Many of the witnesses are credible. And what about all the videos of bodies there?

The Nazis did do terrible things. So why would it be above them to carry out the Holocaust?

Wasn't there a document found at Wannsee about a secret meeting where they discussed the Final Solution? It was dramatized in this film:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0266425/
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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

Postby ProfWag » 26 Jul 2014, 17:48

Scepcop wrote:It is true that Hitler wanted peace with England, but Churchill refused though. The US media is unfair to not let that be known.

Half true, there Hero. He didn't really care about peace with England, but rather wanted to invade Russia without Western Europe intervention so he was trying a deal.
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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

Postby SydneyPSIder » 27 Jul 2014, 16:15

ProfWag wrote:
Scepcop wrote:It is true that Hitler wanted peace with England, but Churchill refused though. The US media is unfair to not let that be known.

Half true, there Hero. He didn't really care about peace with England, but rather wanted to invade Russia without Western Europe intervention so he was trying a deal.

I don't know if that's entirely true. Classical historians suggest he had a kind of romantic view of Britain as long-lost cousins, a Germanic link, and so didn't see them as the natural enemy of Germany, and hoped they might somehow join his little fold willingly one day. Germans and Brits are quite similar as a type in that they were drawn from the same Germanic and Nordic tribes.

I think the discussion on this board has brought out that the powers that be in Britain were mostly concerned about retaining European superpower status, and were worried about an expanding Germany, and in particular were worried about how quickly and enthusiastically Germany had industrialised and embraced high technology. These things were both economic and military threats to 'everyone else'. There were of course also hard feelings from the result of WWI. It seems likely now that Germany suffered more from the general Great Depression than from the terms of reparation from WWI which were blamed, as they were reasonably moderate and within their means without crippling their economy. They also chose to blame Jewish people amongst them for their woes! There were some very ugly features there, of course, but in fact there were comparable levels of ugliness in Britain and the US about minorities and disabled people at the time, with racism, brutalisation and forced sterilisations and eugenics ideas at the forefront. Anti-Semitism was also rife throughout Europe, including in France and Russia, two of the Allies. Finally, the notion of fascism as a workable and ethical system of govt is highly flawed, and you had Italy, Germany, spain and Portugal all 'electing' fascist governments, something of concern to surrounding countries. Adolf Hitler's novel way of dealing with his political enemies in Germany clearly was one pathological outcome of that form of government.

Getting back to the high tech thing, Germans had become very proud of how far they had advanced in embracing industrialism -- originally an invention of the British -- and the possibilities it gave them, and also looked on Britain, the originator, as stuck in a low tech rural kind of mindset -- clearly that sort of mindset means you won't advance as quickly, whereas can-do types in the US had innovated far more in a century of industrialisation, hence their utility in WWII. So certainly a lot of the quotes here from Churchill etc are about fears of an economically strong Germany that had raced ahead of Britain in terms of inventiveness and ingenuity. The invention of V1 and V2 rockets and jet planes which could have decided a war are instances of that, and the rocket scientists were of course stolen by Russia and the US at the end of the war along with the rockets themselves. Hitler's biggest mistake, to me anyway, was in getting involved in a war so soon -- if he had been able to hold off a bit longer and had been able to develop those rockets and jets in secret, then he may have been much more successful in having a decisive war, with his secret weapons of doom -- possibly even ICBMs? -- although again secrets leak out, and the history of military hardware development is a history of spying and intelligence and playing catch-up and oneupmanship etc.

There have been further out of context quotes here from Jewish spokespeople who supposedly were agitating for war in the mid 30s with Germany, as though they wanted to start one. Clearly constant harassment of German Jews and the event of Krystalnacht prompted certain remarks and quotes from the Jewish community, and they have been taken out of context here and in the source documents. On top of revisionist history and possibly a re-evaluation of the victor's view of things at the time, it is also necessary to contend with extreme interpretations going too far the other way in exonerating the elements in Germany who triggered the war.
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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

Postby Scepcop » 28 Jul 2014, 04:43

I was wondering something. Hitler's invasion of Russia, called Operation Barbarossa, involved 3 or 4 million Nazi troops. It was the largest invasion force in the history of the world. I wonder what would have happened if Hitler had instead used that huge army to secure his conquests in Europe. If he had used all those men to protect his European territories from US or British invasion forces, then he might have had more time to be the first to develop the atomic bomb. If that happened, maybe he would have won WWII or at least extend it longer.

I don't get why he squandered all those precious forces, after working hard to build them up, in Russia. I guess he needed the oil in the Caucus mountains to run the Nazi empire.

On another topic:

Some conspiracy people are now saying that Hitler brought Germany to prosperity again by not borrowing from the central bankers at interest, and having the German bank issue its own currency. They claim that WWII was started by the bankers because they could not tolerate Hitler's dissent.

If that's true though, then why does Hitler not mention that in any of his speeches, which are recorded and transcribed? Does he ever mention that in his speeches? That the war was started by the bankers who were mad that he didn't borrow money from them at interest? If that was the real reason, he would have known and said something about it. Even conspiracy views have plotholes in them.
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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

Postby SydneyPSIder » 28 Jul 2014, 06:17

"I don't get why he squandered all those precious forces, after working hard to build them up, in Russia. I guess he needed the oil in the Caucus mountains to run the Nazi empire. "

Yes, I guess so. He was insane, a megalomaniac, and felt that just by shouting he could fight two difficult wars on two fronts at the same time. But knew he needed natural resources to do it.

"They claim that WWII was started by the bankers because they could not tolerate Hitler's dissent. "

I didn't know bankers could do that. Germany's prosperity was created by the efforts of its people in industry.
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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

Postby Scepcop » 30 Jul 2014, 14:58

Maybe we should have a history board for these kind of topics.

Here is an article that explains in detail Hitler's reasons and strategies for invading Russia, and what his mistakes were. It's very interesting.

http://www.militaryhistoryonline.com/ww ... ussia.aspx

I wonder what would have happened if he had captured Moscow. Would he have captured Stalin too? Or would Stalin have escaped? In chess, you go for the king to end the game, so why didn't Hitler think that way?
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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

Postby SydneyPSIder » 30 Jul 2014, 22:15

Scepcop wrote:Maybe we should have a history board for these kind of topics.

Here is an article that explains in detail Hitler's reasons and strategies for invading Russia, and what his mistakes were. It's very interesting.

http://www.militaryhistoryonline.com/ww ... ussia.aspx

I wonder what would have happened if he had captured Moscow. Would he have captured Stalin too? Or would Stalin have escaped? In chess, you go for the king to end the game, so why didn't Hitler think that way?


hmm, I didn't think it was a particularly good analysis overall, or very well written of course. the author seems to think that if Germany 'defeated' a country it would stay defeated and somehow be docilely governed by the invading force. It's extremely unlikely Germany or Hitler or the Nazis would have been able to hold their new empire together for very long by brute force, as there were simply not enough Germans around to oppress everyone else for very long. Further, Britain wasn't entirely on the verge of defeat, as all its many colonies could be called on for resources -- Germany had fewer colonies and less of a distributed loyal empire, unlike the British empire. Of course the US could have defeated Germany easily, look at the relative sizes of the populations and their equal technology. And on and on.
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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

Postby FatFreddy » 26 Sep 2014, 04:03

I haven't checked here for a long time.

The first video in my last post is off-line. Here's another one that explains the point being made. Start watching at the 4:55 time mark.

Tehran Holocaust Conference 2006: Prof. Robert Faurisson - Victories of Revisionism - part 2/2 - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne3nYJxU6SM

He explains that the way history tell us that the workers removed the bodies from the gas chamber would have been technically impossible. If this can't be disproved, it closes the whole case.

The subject is touched on at the 5:55 time mark of this video too.
Robert Faurisson The Problem Of Gas Chambers Le Probleme Des Chambres a Gaz FRA avec ENG SUB - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... ec+ENG+SUB


Here's a video on the possible real causes for WW1 that I came across.

The REAL reason for World War 1.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9oRiUr3XIo
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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

Postby FatFreddy » 26 Sep 2014, 04:12

I just came across this.

How Edward VII Started World War 1 - Webster Tarpley in 1995
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUHIZQLMo-0

I just started watching it. This guy Webster Tarpley seems pretty objective when he talks about other things. That's why I'm posting this without having watched it first.
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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

Postby SydneyPSIder » 26 Sep 2014, 23:25

I've just come across an interesting article about oil, the middle east, WWI, Germany, Britain, the Ottoman empire, etc, in a similar vein. It also informs the current middle eastern mess.

Oil and the origins of the ‘War to make the world safe for Democracy’

http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net/H ... orld_w.HTM

So perhaps the topic should also include 'Were We Told the Truth about World War 1' as a starting point?
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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

Postby FatFreddy » 29 Sep 2014, 03:56

I made a mistake three posts back.

I posted the wrong video. The second video I wanted to post was this one.

Auschwitz - Why The Gas Chambers Are A Myth - HD (full)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-Kl6RHKIQk
(5:55 time mark)

One of the supposed workers who supposedly dragged the bodies out of the supposed gas chambers explains how he supposedly did it.

Sorry for the confusion.
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