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Re: The Apollo Moon Missions Were Faked in a Studio

Postby FatFreddy » 19 Jan 2014, 21:10

Static electricity can cause this flag to move. Walking around on a dust surface in a vacuum environment does build up static electrical charge in the astronauts' space suits. The dust stuck to their suits on many occasions. It's a perfectly reasonable explanation.


There is other footage of astronauts standing next to flags and there's no attraction of the flag to the astronaut. It's only attracted to the astronaut at the precise moment that's consistent with the atmophere explanation. Doesn't that seem a little strange to you?

This ONE TIME a flag moves, where it was unclear if the astronaut touched it or how close he was.


This video shows that the flag started moving before he got close enough to touch it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMpmjEv9o0

Jarrah White had a video that showed the footage frame by frame which made it very clear but his videos have disappeared from YouTube. Maybe they'll come back.

Gravity on the moon is ONE-SIXTH of Earth's gravity (in terms of acceleration), which will cause an object to take about 2.45 times longer to fall from a certain height, or to move upward to a stop, as it would on Earth. 2.45 is the square root of 6. (Check out gravitycalc.com and use the "How long (in seconds)" section to try it for the moon and the Earth. Notice the gravitational constant g is INSIDE the square root sign in the equation on the right.) So on the moon, this factor of 2.45 makes it look about twice as long for an astronaut to jump up and fall down. This makes it about 1 / 2.45 times speed, or about half speed. This would account for this "fifty percent slow-motion" you're talking about.


At around the 21 minute mark of this video the above footage from Apollo 11 can be seen played at double speed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIy8ZqqK5G8
(If the above link doesn't work, do a YouTube search on "Conspiracy Theory : Did We Land on the Moon ?")

It can also be seen in this video at around the 30 minute 40 second mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHwzyqICYTM

Do you think the footage would look exactly like earth movement whenn played at double speed?

(Don't answer with 'wires'. They never appear.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdMvQTNLaUE

See this site for explanations of most hoax claims. It specifically addresses all the claims in the 2001 Fox Special "Conspiracy Theory: Did We Land on the Moon?". All the video clips you've seen out there narrated by Assistant Director Walter Skinner from the X-Files (Mitch Pileggi) are from this video. It's just a few screen lengths on a single page. It's easily readable and understandable.

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html


Bad Astronomy is a disinfo site. There's some info on that in post #6 of this thread.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=125628
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Re: The Apollo Moon Missions Were Faked in a Studio

Postby ProfWag » 19 Jan 2014, 21:49

ProfWag wrote:
FatFreddy wrote:This video shows that the flag movement is consistent with its being in atmosphere.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7yc2rVOs00

This closes the whole case by itself.

Okay Freddy, please allow me to give you something to think about (it's called "critical thinking.") You state that the flag videos "closes the whole case by itself" and you've mentioned elsewhere that the photos "prove" we didn't go to the moon. Consider this always overlooked point from conspiracy theorists--how in the world do faked photos "prove" we didn't go to the moon? Is it not possible that NASA knew they couldn't get proper photos from the actual moon landing so they posted fake photos? I mean, it's possible, isn't it? Now, don't get me wrong--those photos are real and there's no question in my mind about it. Too much valid evidence for the contrary. However, as I've said, if the photos they presented as real could be shown they were faked actually have NOTHING to do with whether or not we went to the moon! What you (and JW) need to do, to prove that we didn't go to the moon, is show that it was mathematically and technically impossible (yes, I used that word) and then find scientists for the past 45 years in not only NASA but the Chinese, Japanese, and European space agencies (and others) to say that they also faked their recent photographs to support an American conspiracy from 4 decades earlier. Good luck with that.

Hey there Mr. Freddy! You didn't comment on my post. Curious as to why? Did you realize that maybe, MAYBE, you and others with your beliefs (Jarrah, primarily) have been focusing your arguments on the wrong subject? Again, there are two different subjects here. One, did we go to the moon? And two, were the photos that NASA has shown to depict astronauts on the moon faked. They are two different subjects altogether.
I could tell you that I went to Paris and post a picture of the Eiffel Tower that someone else took. The photo may have been faked by me, but that doesn't mean I didn't go to Paris. Get the picture? (Pun intentional...)
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Re: The Apollo Moon Missions Were Faked in a Studio

Postby FatFreddy » 19 Jan 2014, 23:47

Again, there are two different subjects here. One, did we go to the moon? And two, were the photos that NASA has shown to depict astronauts on the moon faked. They are two different subjects altogether.

That is true. The anomalies in the photos and footage only show that what NASA showed the world was faked in a studio. Are you admitting that what NASA showed the world was faked in a studio?
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Re: The Apollo Moon Missions Were Faked in a Studio

Postby FatFreddy » 20 Jan 2014, 04:24

http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/vi ... php?t=1222
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Distraction with irrelevant posts. What better example than the recent porn posts? Discussion is lost in the noise. (In this case, the posts may make the group "appealing" to a new audience, so a small silver lining is that new people can be informed about mind control.)
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Re: The Apollo Moon Missions Were Faked in a Studio

Postby FatFreddy » 20 Jan 2014, 05:42

Look at this.

Start watching this at the 16:40 time mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgUncG26MMA
"Physics of the Moon Flag"

Watch as the swinging gets narrow before it stops.

It looks a little faster than the Apollo flag which could be explained by the slow-motion at which the Apollo footage is shown (sixty seven percent according to Jarrah White).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymwE1sNm82Y
(2:37 time mark)

The Apollo flag is moving much faster than the speed at which the video shows it should be moving at the 18:50 time mark.

Let's hear some analyses of this from the pro-Apollo posters.
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Re: The Apollo Moon Missions Were Faked in a Studio

Postby SydneyPSIder » 20 Jan 2014, 13:53

pwil wrote:The Apollo missions were tracked by radar from several countries including the Apollo 11. Such examples are the Bochum Observatory in Germany, Jodrum Bank Observatory in UK, Parkes Observatory in Australia, and Madrid Apollo Station in Spain. All 6 missions that went to the moon were tracked to and from. Also there were independent recorded transmissions of Apollo 11 astronauts on the lunar surface by individuals of different countries. You just can't bribe the whole world. Today, Russia, Japan, China, and India claim they have evidence by obtaining photographs of moon landings from their own probes and telescopes. I don't have an answer for every doubted question of the landings but I do find much more proven explanations and evidence than unexplained.

Apparently they weren't. Tracking them. Especially not all the way to the moon. It's quite possible the Saturn rockets put the guys into low earth orbit (which was relatively safe and of course technically achievable at the time as an already proven concept -- and the Saturn rockets were capable of that much power if not to achieve escape velocity) for a few revolutions after which they re-entered the atmosphere and splashed down. One site has calculated how many revolutions were required for each faked mission. It's a bit like claiming you're going to Hawaii for a holiday, packing your bags and locking up, then going to Vegas instead. Or the nearest Best and Western. Then coming back with pics of nightclub interiors etc that could be anywhere.

What's this 'Today, Russia, Japan, China, and India claim they have evidence by obtaining photographs of moon landings from their own probes and telescopes' thing about? Where is one single pic? Given that there's 1 telescope in the world that can look at the requisite resolution and they've never done that for some reason. And the Hubble telescope, ditto. Then NASA has just declared the putative moon landing sites 'no fly zones' for surveyor craft orbiting the moon so as 'not to disturb the artifacts'.

Jarrah White has covered all the false claims made here in some technical and convincing detail, but he is weathering DMCA attacks right now and many of his debunking videos are not available. Interesting, no?

He's also pointed out that some recent NASA pics of supposed sites seem to have photoshopped tracks that peter out unexpectedly, and it has also been pointed that one of presumably photoshopped pics shows equipment pointing in the wrong orientation from the original putative orientation, i.e. north-south instead of east-west.

His other observation is that the US flags would have disintegrated due to solar radiation by now (within a couple of years in fact), based on evidence from flags left out on Russian satellites.

Anyway, where are these pics of yours from Russia, Japan, China, and India, pwil? I note profwag went along with your incredible claims quite readily.
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Re: The Apollo Moon Missions Were Faked in a Studio

Postby FreeSlave » 20 Jan 2014, 15:44

There is other footage of astronauts standing next to flags and there's no attraction of the flag to the astronaut. It's only attracted to the astronaut at the precise moment that's consistent with the atmophere explanation. Doesn't that seem a little strange to you?


Why does it attract AT ALL? A breeze from the astronaut would push it AWAY.
"precise moment that's consistent with the atmophere explanation"
That's just your GUESS. Your guess is strange, yes.

This video shows that the flag started moving before he got close enough to touch it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMpmjEv9o0


He doesn't have to touch it. That's why I gave the static electricity explanation, like many have before.

Jarrah White had a video that showed the footage frame by frame which made it very clear but his videos have disappeared from YouTube. Maybe they'll come back.


Jarrah White used a cardboard box to cover an LM model to demonstrate moon light couldn't light up the astronaut, the very "moon" light he tried to block with that box. JW is a sneaky little punk. Don't bring his crap to me again.

Again: Gravity on the moon is ONE-SIXTH of Earth's gravity (in terms of acceleration), which will cause an object to take about 2.45 times longer to fall from a certain height, or to move upward to a stop, as it would on Earth. 2.45 is the square root of 6. (Check out gravitycalc.com and use the "How long (in seconds)" section to try it for the moon and the Earth. Notice the gravitational constant g is INSIDE the square root sign in the equation on the right.) So on the moon, this factor of 2.45 makes it look about twice as long for an astronaut to jump up and fall down. This makes it about 1 / 2.45 times speed, or about half speed. This would account for this "fifty percent slow-motion" you're talking about.

At around the 21 minute mark of this video the above footage from Apollo 11 can be seen played at double speed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIy8ZqqK5G8


I don't care. I already explained "double speed" above. That's caused by the 2.45 factor of time to drop or jump on the moon compared to Earth. I already explained that it appears about half speed on the moon. Yeah, 1 over 2.45 the speed. The double speed doesn't look right. Too light on their feet for 350-pound men. You try it. Why are you showing me something I already explained?

(If the above link doesn't work, do a YouTube search on "Conspiracy Theory : Did We Land on the Moon ?")


Are you mentally challenged? I gave a link to the Bad Astronomy site which addresses EVERY CLAIM in that very show. I gave the full title and even specified the narrator. You even responded to my quote containing it. How do you miss something so glaringly obvious?

It can also be seen in this video at around the 30 minute 40 second mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHwzyqICYTM


Yeah, yeah. EXPLAINED!

Do you think the footage would look exactly like earth movement whenn played at double speed?


No, roughly about the right speed (2.45 factor of time, again, as I explained, the square root of 6). But those 350-pound astronauts are moving with too much ease for it to be footage taken on Earth. You try it. I already suggested this. Increase your weight to 350 pounds, and try running and skipping around like they did in the moon footage.

(Don't answer with 'wires'. They never appear.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdMvQTNLaUE


No, mistaken by hoax believers, that's all. No wires.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc7FLQR92eg

See this site for explanations of most hoax claims. It specifically addresses all the claims in the 2001 Fox Special "Conspiracy Theory: Did We Land on the Moon?". All the video clips you've seen out there narrated by Assistant Director Walter Skinner from the X-Files (Mitch Pileggi) are from this video. It's just a few screen lengths on a single page. It's easily readable and understandable.

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html


Bad Astronomy is a disinfo site. There's some info on that in post #6 of this thread.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=125628


A bunch of spammers? Nothing compelling there.
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Re: The Apollo Moon Missions Were Faked in a Studio

Postby pwil » 20 Jan 2014, 16:37

Let's just disregard NASA's LRO pics . Prakish Chauhun from the Indian Research Organisation had confirmed seeing the rover tracks from Apollo 15 site by their own probe Chandrayaan-1. The Japanese probe Kaguya Selene took pics of the terrain of the Apollo 15 site and the terrain matched up perfectly to our own pics and videos. Radio transmissions can determine their distance from Earth. And about the telescopes I mentioned,sorry I should have specified, the Apollo would have been seen by anyone if they stayed below the Van Allen belts.
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Re: The Apollo Moon Missions Were Faked in a Studio

Postby pwil » 20 Jan 2014, 16:49

I just find more proof that the astronauts went to the moon than not. But if you could present more proof,( much more proof), maybe I'll believe you that most of the world was in on the hoax. And you would most likely be visited by the CIA.
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Re: The Apollo Moon Missions Were Faked in a Studio

Postby SydneyPSIder » 20 Jan 2014, 18:48

Pics thanks, pwil, all we have from you is hearsay at this stage where you claim pics but can't produce any pics.

If anyone happened to be looking up, they might see a tiny spot like a satellite. There are other possibilities, such as ditching the rockets at sea, and dropping the lander modules out of a military plane at the end of the supposed mission for splashdown.

It's interesting to note that the Russians, who were ahead of the US for a long while in space-faring technology, couldn't get a splashdown pinpointed within 700 km due to the vagaries of re-entry, whereas the US splashdowns were always within a couple of miles of where the navy ship was waiting. That much accuracy coming in from the moon is suspicious.

And there is already a great deal of proof listed on other topics on this site, as well as many other sites out there -- stereoscopic analysis of 'moon photos' proving backdrops were used, placement of prop errors in photos, evidence of barn lights, light globes in the sun, etc etc. As for any other forum, the onus is on you to search existing threads rather than demanding a repeat performance. When you say the CIA may visit, are you admitting that in fact it was a hoax, and the only option left is to use illicit force on anyone who works it out?
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Re: The Apollo Moon Missions Were Faked in a Studio

Postby pwil » 21 Jan 2014, 00:14

Nowhere have I said that I was 100% sure the landings really happened. Based upon the evidence and the amount of people who have corroborated, I see more pros than cons. Yes I do believe they happened until you, Freddy, and Jarrah prove otherwise. Not enough disproof.
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Re: The Apollo Moon Missions Were Faked in a Studio

Postby ProfWag » 21 Jan 2014, 05:26

FatFreddy wrote:
Again, there are two different subjects here. One, did we go to the moon? And two, were the photos that NASA has shown to depict astronauts on the moon faked. They are two different subjects altogether.

That is true. The anomalies in the photos and footage only show that what NASA showed the world was faked in a studio. Are you admitting that what NASA showed the world was faked in a studio?

Absolutely not! There were most definitely taken from the moon's surface. What I'm trying to get you and other conspiracy believers is that you folks are putting a lot of stock on the faking of the photos to "prove" we didn't go to the moon, when, in the grand scheme of things, they don't do a damn thing towards proving we went or not. It's called critical thinking.
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Re: The Apollo Moon Missions Were Faked in a Studio

Postby ProfWag » 21 Jan 2014, 05:35

FatFreddy wrote:The Apollo flag is moving much faster than the speed at which the video shows it should be moving at the 18:50 time mark.

Let's hear some analyses of this from the pro-Apollo posters.

I didn't see him make any reference whatsoever to the variables that distinguish the differences. He moves some numbers and says things such as "this is about what it would be on the moon." My response is about what? Did he consider any variable of the speed of the film or the materials or the consideration that the flag was on a stretched out pole rather than free fall? I didn't see any of that. He could have mentioned it, but if so, it was before the 16:40 minute mark.
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Re: The Apollo Moon Missions Were Faked in a Studio

Postby ProfWag » 21 Jan 2014, 05:53

SydneyPSIder wrote:Pics thanks, pwil, all we have from you is hearsay at this stage where you claim pics but can't produce any pics.

Do you mean like this picture? http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/uploads/Apollo_11.serendipityThumb.png
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Re: The Apollo Moon Missions Were Faked in a Studio

Postby SydneyPSIder » 21 Jan 2014, 08:10

ProfWag wrote:
SydneyPSIder wrote:Pics thanks, pwil, all we have from you is hearsay at this stage where you claim pics but can't produce any pics.

Do you mean like this picture? http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/uploads/Apollo_11.serendipityThumb.png

yeah, that's the photoshopped one from NASA where the orientation of the supposed instruments is 90 degrees round to the supposed pics from the surface of the moon from the supposed Apollo mission. Whoops!

http://northerntruthseeker.blogspot.com ... itive.html
Just a few years back, the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO), that was at the time circling the moon, was directed by operators at the NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory to take some pictures of the supposed Apollo landing sites. That was done after years of everyone saying that they wanted proof positive that men actually walked on the moon by having the actual landing sites photographed from either on Earth, or from lunar orbit.

After a bit of delay in releasing the images to the public, NASA presented the world with what they claim was the long awaited "proof" that Apollo was real... But the original images that they passed off as the Apollo landing sites were blurred and very suspect... Later, NASA released more updated images from what they say was pictures taken from the LRO at a lower orbit over the supposed landing sites. But what we saw again was smudges, blurs, and very suspect images....

However the Apollo Believers have been going absolutely hog wild since the release of these "images" saying that now the Apollo Hoax Believers are beaten and to be laughed at... I for one, was never convinced of these LRO images as proof positive of man being on the moon, due to their flagrant inconsistencies and have long believed, like many in the Apollo hoax group, that they were faked using some photo editing....

Now comes the truth about the LRO images. Thanks to a great investigator of the truth behind Project Apollo, who uses the Youtube name: "Hunchbacked", we have the long sought proof that the LRO images are indeed fakes using plain and simple Adobe Photoshop editing. I want to present Hunchbacked's evidence of the fraud of the LRO images in the following Youtube video, entitled: "The Proof That The LRO Photos Are Photoshopped" right here for everyone to observe for themselves...




After that failure, NASA are now interestingly declaring the supposed Apollo moon landing sites 'no fly zones' so as 'not to disturb the sacred relics', i.e. a satellite cannot travel or take pics over the sites travelling at a distance in airless space in case it disturbs the sites.

Jarrah White has done a treatment of the LRO pics in a similar vein, but interestingly his info is suffering from DMCA attacks right now and has been taken down. Seems like he may be doing too good a job. May be back on the air in the next few weeks. Of course all the work is archived and mirrors are currently being set up.
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