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9/11 hero says explosion came from basement before plane hit

Postby Scepcop » 13 Aug 2009, 04:42

One of the heros of 9/11, William Rodriguez, a janitor who saved lives that day, says that he heard a huge explosion that pushed him upwards coming from the BASEMENT level of the WTC which occurred BEFORE the plane hit the tower. Yet the mainstream media edited out this key part of his testimony.

Skeptics, a question for you. If the official 9/11 story is a cut and dried case, then why do the media have to censor his testimony like that? Is that right to you? Is that truth and objectivity to you?

Here is his real testimony:



Here is the one that the news media edited out to hide the part about the explosions coming from the basement occurring before the plane struck.

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Re: 9/11 hero says explosion came from basement before plane hit

Postby ProfWag » 13 Aug 2009, 05:31

Scepcop wrote:One of the heros of 9/11, William Rodriguez, a janitor who saved lives that day, says that he heard a huge explosion that pushed him upwards coming from the BASEMENT level of the WTC which occurred BEFORE the plane hit the tower. Yet the mainstream media edited out this key part of his testimony.

Skeptics, a question for you. If the official 9/11 story is a cut and dried case, then why do the media have to censor his testimony like that? Is that right to you? Is that truth and objectivity to you?

Here is his real testimony:



Here is the one that the news media edited out to hide the part about the explosions coming from the basement occurring before the plane struck.


You don't suppose it had anything to do with the fact that after 9/11, he lost his job, became homeless, and needed some money so making this stuff up was a quick way to gain fame. His own website no longer mentions his basement fireball theory and he dropped his lawsuit over two years ago. His story has changed over the years, but he is also on record as saying he saw the fireball coming down the elevator which is consistant with other witnesses. Even now, he claims he was the last man out. That is total fabrication and at least 18 people are known to have survived that left after he did. This is an old story Mr. Wu, but hey, it gives you something to talk about.

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Re: 9/11 hero says explosion came from basement before plane hit

Postby Scepcop » 13 Aug 2009, 15:27

ProfWag wrote:You don't suppose it had anything to do with the fact that after 9/11, he lost his job, became homeless, and needed some money so making this stuff up was a quick way to gain fame. His own website no longer mentions his basement fireball theory and he dropped his lawsuit over two years ago. His story has changed over the years, but he is also on record as saying he saw the fireball coming down the elevator which is consistant with other witnesses. Even now, he claims he was the last man out. That is total fabrication and at least 18 people are known to have survived that left after he did. This is an old story Mr. Wu, but hey, it gives you something to talk about.

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Dude, that's not only pure conjecture on your part, but mean spirited too! This was a hero who saved lives! How can you demean him like that?!

What I heard was that after 9/11 when he became a hero, he could have had any government job that he wanted. But because he spoke out the truth about 9/11, it cost him his job and home.

You have no proof that he's lying and doing this for profit from speaking lectures. That is a totally unfounded allegation on your part, and it's mean spirited too.

You are not an open minded skeptic at all, but a pseudo-skeptic it appears. I'm disappointed.

He was already a hero and could have any job he wanted, so why would he need to gain fame by challenging the official story? Stuff like that damages lives, not makes them more profitable.

When he says he was the last man out, it means that he was the last man to run out by himself, not that he was the last man rescued.

Just cause it's old news doesn't make it less real. That's another cheap attempt to discredit something, just because it challenges the official story, which you take as gospel truth without reason.

BTW, you didn't answer my question earlier. Why did ABC censor out and misrepresent his testimony? Is it right to interview someone and misrepresent them? In your book, is lying and misrepresentation morally justified as long as it's used to defend the official story?
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Re: 9/11 hero says explosion came from basement before plane hit

Postby Scepcop » 13 Aug 2009, 15:32

BTW, Rodriguez did finally get to tell his "basement explosions" story on Fox News later without it being edited out. However, he did not emphasize it strongly enough to make the point that it contradicted the official story. I don't know why. Such a key factor should have been emphasized more strongly, not mentioned quickly in passing.

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Re: 9/11 hero says explosion came from basement before plane hit

Postby ProfWag » 13 Aug 2009, 21:07

Let me tell YOU something Winston. My wife and I are both career military personnel. We have spent countless months apart because of supporting the US war on terrorism in the middle east. Oh yes, we have been there. We have slept in tents in 120 degree heat. We have worn body armor, carried guns, and worked 15-20 hour days to protect our country. We have sacrificed our freaking LIVES for this country. For you to even hint it was an inside, government job is a complete and total INSULT to all the men and women who are putting their lives and dying every single day to combat these terrorists. That, my friend, is the real tragedy and for you to go out and spread propoganda that 9/11 was more than a group of terrorists is a travesty.
As for this Rodriguez dude, have you looked at his own website? It says he has been a guest of the White House several times. Does that sound like someone who truly thinks it was a government coverup? Go ahead and open his website. The first picture you see is of him with the caption "The last 'survivor' of the North Tower..." That is not true. This man WAS a hero that day and I applaud his efforts. I sincerely believe however, that his hatred towards the Bush Admin has caused him to embelish his story and his actions of spreading government coverup inacuracies are wrong and I won't sit quietly while people spread these outrageous rumors.
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Re: 9/11 hero says explosion came from basement before plane hit

Postby Nostradamus » 22 Aug 2009, 10:34

So the guy is a hero and needed a few extra bucks to go with his status. I applaud him for being a hero. As the wag so clearly stated, let's not let this hero status over shadow the facts.

I am saluting prof wag for his personal and family commitment as I think we all should.
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Re: 9/11 hero says explosion came from basement before plane hit

Postby ProfWag » 22 Aug 2009, 19:45

Nostradamus wrote:So the guy is a hero and needed a few extra bucks to go with his status. I applaud him for being a hero. As the wag so clearly stated, let's not let this hero status over shadow the facts.

I am saluting prof wag for his personal and family commitment as I think we all should.

Thanks. I'm not looking for personal accolades though, it's just that the 9/11 conspiracy theories are taken very personally by myself, my wife, and my countless military comorades.
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Re: 9/11 hero says explosion came from basement before plane hit

Postby highflyertoo » 24 Aug 2009, 10:34

What the problem ProfWag ?

Rodriguez says ''very clearly'' that there was an explosion before the plane hit the North Tower...

CONSPIRACY IS THE PROOF
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Re: 9/11 hero says explosion came from basement before plane hit

Postby ProfWag » 24 Aug 2009, 20:25

highflyertoo wrote:What the problem ProfWag ?

Rodriguez says ''very clearly'' that there was an explosion before the plane hit the North Tower...

CONSPIRACY IS THE PROOF

The man was in the basemen with no windows. How does he know when the plane hit the tower?
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Re: 9/11 hero says explosion came from basement before plane hit

Postby Scepcop » 26 Aug 2009, 08:19

ProfWag wrote:Let me tell YOU something Winston. My wife and I are both career military personnel. We have spent countless months apart because of supporting the US war on terrorism in the middle east. Oh yes, we have been there. We have slept in tents in 120 degree heat. We have worn body armor, carried guns, and worked 15-20 hour days to protect our country. We have sacrificed our freaking LIVES for this country. For you to even hint it was an inside, government job is a complete and total INSULT to all the men and women who are putting their lives and dying every single day to combat these terrorists. That, my friend, is the real tragedy and for you to go out and spread propoganda that 9/11 was more than a group of terrorists is a travesty.
As for this Rodriguez dude, have you looked at his own website? It says he has been a guest of the White House several times. Does that sound like someone who truly thinks it was a government coverup? Go ahead and open his website. The first picture you see is of him with the caption "The last 'survivor' of the North Tower..." That is not true. This man WAS a hero that day and I applaud his efforts. I sincerely believe however, that his hatred towards the Bush Admin has caused him to embelish his story and his actions of spreading government coverup inacuracies are wrong and I won't sit quietly while people spread these outrageous rumors.


Well that says it then. Your objectivity is compromised. You've just admitted that you are biased and closed minded and cannot accept facts or evidence about 9/11 in an objective impartial manner. Any reference to conspiracy or inside job personally insults you. I guess you are not the right person to have an open objective discussion about this with then.

If this topic insults you personally and makes your blood boil then perhaps you should stay out of these 9/11 topics.

But the truth is, it's not my fault that you were brainwashed into going to Iraq or the Middle East. I am not trying to insult your military service. But the facts are the facts.

It's not my fault you risked your lives for a lie, and participated in a war in which a million people have already died. If you really cared about the troops, you'd bring them home instead of letting them risk their lives for nothing.

In the Vietnam War, 58,000 Americans died too, and for what? Nothing? A lie? The Gulf of Tonkin Incident turned out to be a fraud. You are getting angry at the WRONG crowd dude. You should be pissed at the people who commit fraud and get millions killed over it, not the 9/11 Truth crowd!

Oh and FYI, most of the victim's families are on OUR SIDE. They are fed up with the government's lies and refusal to conduct a real investigation. When you attempt to suppress the truth, you INSULT people such as this father, Robert McIlvaine who lost his son on 9/11 and is in pain about it everyday!!!!!!!!!! Watch his face and how hurt and angry he is. And you have the gall to tell him to shut up and just believe whatever the government says?! Why don't you tell that to his face?!



Finally, how can you be a critical thinker when you were just in the military where they condition you to follow, obey orders and not think?!
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Re: 9/11 hero says explosion came from basement before plane hit

Postby Scepcop » 26 Aug 2009, 08:29

BTW ProfWag,
Just cause you risked your life for America doesn't mean that the Iraq War is just or that the official version of 9/11 is true. That is not logic, that's personal ego and pride. SCEPCOP is about objectivity toward evidence, not about protecting ego and pride.
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Re: 9/11 hero says explosion came from basement before plane hit

Postby Scepcop » 26 Aug 2009, 08:35

Nostradamus wrote:So the guy is a hero and needed a few extra bucks to go with his status. I applaud him for being a hero. As the wag so clearly stated, let's not let this hero status over shadow the facts.

I am saluting prof wag for his personal and family commitment as I think we all should.


You and ProfWag are making unjustified conjecture over William Rodriguez's motives. You have no proof that he is a liar out to make money. That's a cheap low lame attempt to discredit him. What kind of science is that?

Just cause he heard bombs in the basement and told the truth about it, you discredit him? How dare you.

He is not profiting from this. He is in it for truth and justice.

I heard that he turned down a multi-million dollar movie deal too. If he was in it for money, would he do that?
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Re: 9/11 hero says explosion came from basement before plane hit

Postby Scepcop » 26 Aug 2009, 08:39

ProfWag wrote:
highflyertoo wrote:What the problem ProfWag ?

Rodriguez says ''very clearly'' that there was an explosion before the plane hit the North Tower...

CONSPIRACY IS THE PROOF

The man was in the basemen with no windows. How does he know when the plane hit the tower?


Damn it, ProfWag, you DIDN'T watch the video I showed you in this thread!

He did not say he was in the basement. He was at ground level. What does it matter if there was no windows? He said that as a janitor working there for 20 years, he knows the building and knows where the sound of explosions were coming from! He worked there for 20 years. Why do you think he's wrong? Why? Give one valid reason!!!!!!!!!!

Otherwise, you are 100 percent conjecture and subjectivity!!!!!!!!!!!!

He heard the plane hitting the tower after the explosion in the basement. Anyone can tell up from down, duh.
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Re: 9/11 hero says explosion came from basement before plane hit

Postby ProfWag » 26 Aug 2009, 23:18

Scepcop wrote:BTW ProfWag,
SCEPCOP is about objectivity toward evidence, not about protecting ego and pride.

That is a flat out lie Scepcop. You are about as objective as a mother towards her new-born baby. Where are your morals? ;-)
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