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Applying Common Sense to NWO Conspiracy Theories

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Re: Applying Common Sense to NWO Conspiracy Theories

Postby Craig Browning » 09 Feb 2012, 21:30

Scepcop wrote:Those are interesting insights Craig.

Do you think war is all about money though? Don't the elite have all the money in the world? They can print it and they have an unlimited supply for themselves. Alan Watt says that the real reason for war is so the elite can bring about global changes that would take too long or never during peace time, changes such as centralization of power, as what happened with the UN after WWII.

Couldn't it also be that the controllers of this world, whether human or extra-dimensional or extraterrestrial, simply thrive on conflict in this world rather than peace? Or perhaps they need to keep conflict going in this world, for some odd reason we can't understand, because we are some kind of SIMS experiment to them?

I think there's gotta be more to it all than just money. The elite have all the money they want, an unlimited supply of it.

Craig, do you really think they are trying to instate a global government like the one depicted in Star Trek? What about that theory that they are planning to microchip us all?

What about the kind of world depicted in "A Brave New World" and Orwell's "1984"? Do the elite want that too? Was Aldous Huxley one of them? If so, why would he leak their plans to us?

Why do you think they took out Lennon? Was it because they saw that he had the power to sway the entire nation against war, as he did with the Vietnam War, so they decided to take him out? Or was it their revenge for his role in turning the public against the Vietnam War?

Do you think lone nut assassins are under the mind control of MK-ULTRA, or patsies, or just actors who aren't even really in jail but set free to live somewhere hidden with a changed identity?


There is no escaping the fact that we are heading towards a global government & economic system, probably within the next generation (25 years) of time given how fast things are moving these days. I honestly believe that the current economic issues and various global threats are huge stepping stones in this very direction e.g. it could happen sooner than later . . . and I do believe the U.S. is going to "loose" in many ways when this transition occurs, primarily due to how it has failed when it comes to education and how this empowers religious codependency and related fanaticism.

At first I think this Global Government will serve as a band-aid to a sore that won't heal; within a decade of it seemingly taking hold the stuff will hit the fan. It's going to take extensive devastation to break the back of humankind enough to get it to wake up and choose peace and unity over war and the on-going acts of social-political manipulation we've perpetuated for millennia and proven that it simply doesn't work. . . which brings us to the issue of War & Money.

Money is the primary energy that runs the planet these days; not so much in the form of currency but the general idea of "wealth" which includes prominence within the global society; for a long time it was the domain of Britain and then it past to us for the course of the past century and it is now transitioning, or so it seems, towards China, making the U.S. second banana on the global front, such as the Brits have been in our wake.

Money is the fuel for war the impetus towards war -- the facade -- can be a number of things including a general lust for power and real estate, religious/philosophical fanaticism (which includes politics & governing systems such as communism, fascism, capitalism), and so forth. The goal however, is always the same -- GAIN! Gain if general influence, power, and economic resource.

Look at the whole 99% situation (March on Wall Street, etc.) and you can see how Money is again, the catalyst to conflict. In this instance we are looking at a Caste-like situation that hasn't just hampered the working class but damn near made us slaves to debt much as it was a century ago (+) with the Robber Barons and Rail Road Monopolies. The economic standards are significantly out of balance which is what has almost always been the biggest incentive for war. . . just look at the French Revolution and for that matter, the American Indian uprisings (which took place as the result of the White European theft of lands and growing oppression towards the Native Peoples that wrongly thought we were "honest" and "Trustworthy" when we made deals and signed agreements. They didn't realize that we'd break a deal in a hot second when there was money to be made; mineral discoveries, oil, hunting and trapping advantages, you name it!)

I don't think there's any kind of "Mind Control" in the mode that you're questioning but there is some serious manipulation going on by way of the Mass Media; everything from Tv, Radio & Newspapers to the Internet, Games, & the Entertainment Industry. We are all being programmed to think certain ways and become willing to surrender silly things like our Civil Rights, Right to Privacy and a growing number of Constitutional Freedoms . . . think of that mythical frog in the pot of water in which the heat is slowly raised to boiling point. . . we're the frogs!

In the mid-1960s many people still lived by the adage that "credit is bad" and "low of character", the only thing the average person needed a loan for would be a home and maybe a car. With a decade that point of view was exchanged for the belief that "Credit was a good thing" and in the decade following that everything that could happen in your life centered on your credit rating. Ironically, this new fad of living in-debt and outside one's actual means began shortly after Nixon took us off the Gold Standard and put the U.S. into a debit mode via the World Banking Organizations which is now in the position to call the shots in our world vs. what the U.S. was prior to his selling our soul. . . the Gold of Ft. Knox now being somewhere in the Saudi dessert hoarded by our Islamic friends (the biggest gold exchange is now in Saudi Arabia according to 60-Minutes).

This one element is a small example as to how the population of the globe but most poignantly the Western European world can be brain washed slowly and made dependent on a corrupted thing without feeling as if they've given up anything. There's a plethora of similar examples, much of which today's public wouldn't even recognize as having been a consciousness shift, such as it really is.
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Re: Applying Common Sense to NWO Conspiracy Theories

Postby Scepcop » 14 Feb 2012, 19:18

Check out my friend's insightful comments about this topic:

I find these conspiracy theories interesting and some of the theorists seem to make pretty compelling arguments and there are many mysteries of the world we cannot explain. In Icke's case, it appears the reptile aliens either enjoy blank with humanity and enjoy working much harder than they have to. It would be far easier just to kill off most humans and raise a new breed of them in various warm climes like they raise catfish in Mississippi, not teaching any of them to read and treating them as servants/chattel. Look at how easy it was for a relatively physically weak white man to sometimes control 200+ African slaves and get them to do forced labor. The Africans were only imported to the Americas after the Indians died out from the arduous labor. The average Indian native could only last a few years whereas the African accustomed to the hot tropical sun could work 10-20 years. Yes, there were slave rebellions but most were quelled and put down and there were far fewer than one might imagine there would be. If human were raised without notions of liberty, democracy, etc. then they are subject to believe anything, as proven in many totalitarian regimes--just read Hannah Arendt's massive tome on the effective totalitarianism of the Nazi and Stalin regimes. Stalin just had history rewritten and was able to effectively convince people that things they assumed had happened NEVER happened, and history books were just rewritten. Surely a group of superior alien beings would be far more successful in running human "catfish" farms and breeding us for their precious blood fuel without going to the trouble of shape-shifting and sorting out the world's various complicated affairs, lol.

We had been advising in Vietnam since at least 1954 and JFK probably would have been forced to go along with the war since to not intervene would have been political suicide. Johnson was a smart motherfucker and he knew we could not win the war but he also knew he had no choice but to stay in it to appease the powers that be. Kennedy had already shown his willingness to take military chances as via the Bay of Pigs.

There is no doubt that all sorts of clandestine things are going on and have gone on probably from the time the first white man landed on "American" soil. As I said, I think the "truth" might even be so horrible and forbidding that if we were to know it we might all collectively suicide from the sheer horror of it all. :)


I too feel that there is some "horrible secret" about our existence, that may be out of this world, that we don't know about, or at least most of us don't know about. It's probably one of the biggest secrets there is.
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Re: Applying Common Sense to NWO Conspiracy Theories

Postby ProfWag » 14 Feb 2012, 19:27

Scepcop wrote:I too feel that there is some "horrible secret" about our existence, that may be out of this world, that we don't know about, or at least most of us don't know about. It's probably one of the biggest secrets there is.

Like...what kind of horrible secret?
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Re: Applying Common Sense to NWO Conspiracy Theories

Postby Arouet » 14 Feb 2012, 19:53

The Africans were only imported to the Americas after the Indians died out from the arduous labor.


Wait...what?
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Re: Applying Common Sense to NWO Conspiracy Theories

Postby Scepcop » 14 Feb 2012, 21:13

Check out this very disturbing take on the NWO plans of the elite that someone explained to me.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thr ... id13454580

Perhaps it is more difficult to understand them, if you are not from Europe. Over here you can get a real sense of their secretive and mysterious lives from their old buildings, as well as the huge difference between "us" and "them". For example, Portugal is full of history of the Knights. One of their former houses in Sintra, Portugal, called "Quinta de Regaleira" is particularly unnerving:

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/5787725.jpg

http://thepinkertones.files.wordpress.c ... o-xvii.jpg

It really is surreal. It has underground caves, hidden pathways and entrances, hidden symbols, secret doors, strange statues, creepy gargoyles and this initiation well:

http://www.portugalvirtual.pt/_tourism/ ... leira4.jpg

"Palace de Pena" is nearby on the same Ley-line:

http://www.travelblog.org/Photos/2257318

There's a good photo on this site that shows the buildings on the Ley-line very clearly:

http://www.ask.com/wiki/Quinta_da_Regaleira

It is actually like being in a horror film and you can get a real sense of the mentality of these people - of their seriousness and of how downright formidable and intimidating they are. It's very clear that this acts as an effective control of its members. However, I doubt it is often necessary as every member is chosen carefully and is only aware of certain information depending on where they are in the hierarchy.

You said that it must be hard to get people in high power to agree but one has to be a member to get in high power in the first place. They destroy all competition eventually when it suits them - just look at what they did to Barings Bank.

Then there are other ways they make people "agree". They keep "dirt" on their members, recordings of sexual deviances, drug addictions, etc. Or they just invent it - mud sticks, and high powered people don't want all that coming out in public, just ask Strauss-Kahn. He got too big for his boots in France and look how they controlled him - arrested and humiliated. He won't be President of France now, will he?!

Perhaps there are "some good people amongst the elite" as you say, but expressing that could cost them their careers, families or even their lives.

Is every country involved? I think the situation now is dire and every country has been infiltrated and is controlled in some way, otherwise they wouldn't feel so confident about coming out with the truth now. They've had control in Scotland/England and the USA for centuries, then they used the First World War to destroy all the powerful German families and caused a "revolution" to take Germany, which failed, then they lost Russia to Stalin. One of "Them" was interrogated by Stalin's police and confessed a lot of important information. His name was Rakovsky and the interrogation is in "Red Symphony":

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... _Symphony_

I think it's invaluable reading and explains everything about Marx and how Communism and Capitalism are being used very clearly.

Also, you can learn a lot about these people knowing that they are atheists but follow the teachings of Spinoza:

http://www.philosophypages.com/ph/spin.htm

To answer your key questions:

Yes, they have a very clear agenda - to "streamline" the world's population, mix the races, reduce the differences between men and women, reduce the age of puberty, reduce the age of "old age", have intelligent "Alphas" at the top and stupid "Deltas" to do all the mundane work. The higher in the hierarchy will psychologically not want to mix with the lower levels. The New World Order is all about psychological control so people are "happy" being slaves. It's diabolical but really very clever. It has potential to last forever as people will be too separate to organise themselves (hell, we can't even organise ourselves now!) and it is certainly conducive to a more progressive society where all the wealth and resources saved, will mean that we can start investigating and populating space much, much sooner than we ever would otherwise. For some reason, they are obsessed with going into space. This reason may be that they are the keepers of the information that Earth was visited thousands of years ago, I can only speculate, but I certainly don't believe in modern UFO stories.

I think your observation that the internet is flooded with NWO videos as a "diversion" to cause a revolution is correct. The internet itself is a means to an end. They will need a revolution to take full control just as they did famously in Russia. Firstly the people take over, mess it up and in all the confusion, "They" take power in the second revolution. They rely on the stupidity of the "homo-stultum" which they themselves have created through television, films and school-books.
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Re: Applying Common Sense to NWO Conspiracy Theories

Postby Scepcop » 14 Feb 2012, 21:24

ProfWag wrote:
Scepcop wrote:I too feel that there is some "horrible secret" about our existence, that may be out of this world, that we don't know about, or at least most of us don't know about. It's probably one of the biggest secrets there is.

Like...what kind of horrible secret?


Something beyond your imagination of course. Stop asking dumb questions to bait and target. Ask good questions.
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Re: Applying Common Sense to NWO Conspiracy Theories

Postby Craig Browning » 14 Feb 2012, 23:37

First of all, the Natives of this land weren't enslaved prior to the arrival of the black slave period and you also have to note that even after we had both as part of the slave labor force that the Irish would come into a similar role under the lie of being an "indentured servant" (quite a cruel program that's akin to how so many illegals get mixed into our modern sweat shops and hard labor industries). While the Natives were certain brutalized by the good Christians that insisted on conversion or torment styled "missionary" work. . .they were after all, learned and elevated human beings that "knew better", the enslavement was a slow process and proved impractical because of national pride and the constant attempts to thwart the westward expansion of the whites. Our White European Leaders decided it was best to drive them to extinction and imprison what remained in order to generate reform. From this we get the Trails of Tears known to the Cherokee as well as the Blackfoot of the North-West (Chief Joseph & Co.) who were being driven into Canada. In truth, they ended up on a rather massive sheep ranch in northern Montana and area ranchers took up arms against the U.S. Military, informing them that the Indians weren't going any further. To this day decedents of that group still have FREE rent on that same ranch.

We also need to recognize the fact that our lazy European ancestors likewise forced the Asian community into slavery for an extended period of time during the mid-1800s well into the early 1920s.

When it comes to Lizard People. . . sorry, but that's where the whole UFO thing goes sour with me. I do believe that human beings are a hybrid created tens of thousands of years ago by visiting life sources. Some claim it was because earth was a penal colony while other claim it to be a life-raft of sorts; it could be a mix of both. Regardless, genetic tests and alterations are said to have taken place not so much for the creation of a slave race as it was to preserve certain knowledge and penchants within a new race that would ultimately perpetuate the agenda of said race of beings. We are their descendants and by way of genetics much of our left brain accomplishments fall in line with those "forgotten" ancestors, most of whom are depicted as Gods, Goddesses and Heroes within human mythology. Mythology itself having many answers for us if we but dare to look at them deeper and with an open mind. Though he's a nut job VonDanigan has a few solid points when it comes to his theories about ancient astronauts. Icke on the other hand, is just out to create drama and sell more books.
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Re: Applying Common Sense to NWO Conspiracy Theories

Postby ProfWag » 15 Feb 2012, 01:21

Scepcop wrote:
ProfWag wrote:
Scepcop wrote:I too feel that there is some "horrible secret" about our existence, that may be out of this world, that we don't know about, or at least most of us don't know about. It's probably one of the biggest secrets there is.

Like...what kind of horrible secret?


Something beyond your imagination of course. Stop asking dumb questions to bait and target. Ask good questions.

Yea, okay. So Winston, if I were to say "I've got a secret" and you ask "what is it?" I have the right to come back to you and say "Stop asking dumb questions to bait and target. Ask good questions." 'Cause that's all I did. You said you thought there was some "horrible secret" about our existence and I simply asked what you thought it was. Personnally, I think your response is about as rude as can be. How the hell am I to learn anything on this forum if people don't share their thoughts!?!

Time for a poll: Does anyone out there reading this know what Scepcop thinks the "horrible secret about our existence" is? Or, did I actually ask a stupid question when I asked what this "horrible secret" was?

Thanks.
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Re: Applying Common Sense to NWO Conspiracy Theories

Postby Arouet » 16 Feb 2012, 01:20

Of course its a silly question - its a secret after all. All we know is that its out there, its big and beyond our imagination! What's so hard to understand about that? Do you really need to know anything more? Just be afraid. Be very afraid...
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Re: Applying Common Sense to NWO Conspiracy Theories

Postby ProfWag » 16 Feb 2012, 02:51

It's frustrating though Arouet. I attempt to ask questions without being rude, and all I've been getting back are rude answers (or what I interpret as rude).
I even recently pm'd the poster an honest question about the moon hoax thing. Ya' think I got any kind of response? I tell ya', I'd quit posting anything at all if I didn't have this feeling that I should respond and throw up the BS flag when necessary so that more people are aware that there are usually 2 sides to every story. Oh well...
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Re: Applying Common Sense to NWO Conspiracy Theories

Postby Craig Browning » 16 Feb 2012, 21:48

I don't know if it's the impersonability given us via the Internet or what, I just know that many (especially those more than five years younger than I) tend to be increasingly more and more rude as well as arrogant in today's world. People used to send you a letter via snail mail (at minimum) to tell you yes or no about an inquiry or proposition, now they just ignore you -- no reply whatsoever and they call such indignation "Professionalism". . . I call it a bold insult and a gross lack of respect let alone being nothing remotely close to what "professionalism" was seen to be a few short years ago. Hell, I remember when it was considered proper to send a thank you card to those that interviewed you for a job position; I even had an agent that insisted that I send them out within 3 days of an interview or audition. She was tops in the biz with a Beverly Hills practice so she must have known something. . .

In Winston's defense I will attempt to shine a bit of light onto things -- the knee jerk retort, as it were.

Winston has a cornucopia of "paranoia" based ideas, most of them being way outside the proverbial box. As someone that has a handful of abstract ways of looking at the world I can readily empathize because one is in a near constant defensive mode not knowing who can be trusted and too, who is honestly seeking to understand your/our perspective on things. Left Brained thinkers tend to has a assholiness thing going for themselves in which they ask questions in a way that makes you feel trapped at times; you're on a constant level of having to defend your beliefs as well as your experiences. I can fully relate to this and thus, table the idea that Winston's off-handed retort about someone being "rude" because they ask questions MAY come from said paradigm. BUT, there is another side to this when it comes to the psychological elements most of us here see in our dear host (and please don't take this as anything but the honest concern it's intended to be, Winston); I think some of us ask simple questions in response to your posts because we do like you and we simply want to help you to learn how to question things. Take a look at your history of postings and how much of it is WAAAAAAY outside the frame of common logic and pragmatism; you've never found a Conspiracy Theory you didn't like or attempt to cling to. This typically means that you suffer from both, grotesque paranoia as well as the need to be perpetually unique. It's a cruel state of mind to put yourself into, which is what you are doing when it comes to the plethora of things you keep insisting to be real. . . it's as if you only see the National Enquirer, Star, Globe and similar publications as being "real news" and credit nut jobs like Sloan, Icke and two or three others for being far more "legit" as scientists and researchers than you do actual Nobel Prize Winners.

I'm not saying this to be harsh, but to encourage you to step away from the keyboard a bit and allow yourself a few months to study and try to understand why these "teachings" are taken with a very large grain of salt by the establishment. Understand too that I'm not saying that it's wrong to question or even doubt "authority" -- we must! But we must likewise do so in sound, pragmatic ways vs. living in an abstract that will never be accepted by the status quo. If the only arguments one puts forth always lean on questionable foundations, then you'll never be taken even remotely serious and will always endure challenge. If we knowingly walk into the lion's den then we are volunteering to be an ardent victim; not because of some covert scenario "they" have in play towards people like you, but because your argument is not founded on anything outside of the abstract. On the other hand, when you have solid and reputable details that can be brought to the table and when the majority of your arguments bring the air of genuine meat that can be digested and savored; then you will fell less put upon when a simple question is asked. We become less defensive on a great number of levels because we cautiously choose which battles we'll embrace -- what conflicts we are prepared to endure.

I have deep seated reasons for my belief in things Spiritually based and what some refer to as the Paranormal; a lifetime of hands-on study, experience and investigation. At the same time I'm not a gullible and blind follower of such things, I know for fact that much of it is ill-defined and not recognized for what it is. . . and that's from either side of the question; the believers are in just as much denial as the naysayers, sometimes worse because they NEED to mysticism vs. acceptance of a more mundane sense of reality that robs them of the fantasiful. Because I see either side of things I do fairly well at bridging the two points of view; helping the gullible to realize it's time to wake-up and smell the coffee while encouraging the pseudo-intellectual that there is far more to it all than science is able to negate and explain away. . . and that's ok.

I can't say for certain that Winston's unwillingness to reply to a question is based on his inner-knowing that he's creating this reality in which everyone seems to challenge him, but it certainly would seem as if he is dependent on the idea that some kind of Jabberwoky is out there in the shadows, waiting to destroy us all. The irony being that people hosting such a mind-set, fail to realize how it's their own paranoia that gives the beast, it's life and power.
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Re: Applying Common Sense to NWO Conspiracy Theories

Postby ProfWag » 16 Feb 2012, 22:17

ProfWag wrote:
Scepcop wrote:Something beyond your imagination of course. Stop asking dumb questions to bait and target. Ask good questions.


Time for a poll: Does anyone out there reading this know what Scepcop thinks the "horrible secret about our existence" is? Or, did I actually ask a stupid question when I asked what this "horrible secret" was?

Thanks.

Soooo, I think I can chalk that up for 3 people who don't know what the "horrible secret about our existence" is.
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Re: Applying Common Sense to NWO Conspiracy Theories

Postby Jayhawker30 » 22 Feb 2012, 13:19

Hey Scepcop, you should play Deus Ex: Human Revolution. I think that title might be right up your alley.
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Re: Applying Common Sense to NWO Conspiracy Theories

Postby August West » 14 Mar 2012, 06:35

video games lol . Yeah, that's not a complete waste of the precious minutes you're alive. jesus.
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Re: Applying Common Sense to NWO Conspiracy Theories

Postby Arouet » 14 Mar 2012, 07:22

Gonna play me some Mass Effect 3 tonight!
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