Discuss Conspiracies and Cover Ups - e.g. 9/11 Truth, JFK Assassination, New World Order, Roswell, Moon Hoax, Secret Societies, etc. whatever conspiracy floats your boat.
Another hilarious post from wag to keep us all entertained. I think a lot of hard evidence has been presented here, which contradicts the manifestly highly compromised WC 'findings' which you support. The entire more likely alternative scenario has been pieced together and presented here.
So by your own admission you should be saying "hmph, well I'll be damned. That's great news to finally learn the truth."
What's particularly hilarious is your didactic assertion, 'this isn't a competition Syd, it should be a discussion what the events were surrounding the assassination of an American President', which is exactly what we are discussing here, it's just that you don't like the findings.
It's interesting you find consistent evidence both 'outlandish', and, wait for it, 'boring'. Another fallacious mode of 'argument by my (claimed) personal emotional feelings' that shows you were never here to be sceptical or analytical, you're simply here to disrupt.
Syd, you're more interested in pointing fingers and attempting to cut me down rather than research actual evidence rather than circumstantial. Go back and look over your posts since last Sunday. Go ahead, I'll wait the 10 or 15 minutes it will take you to re-read it. Done? Okay, good. Now, tell me what is in your posts that have ANYTHING to do with who shot JFK in Dallas. I've never said that other people didn't conspire to kill him. I've never even said that LHO didn't have a suspect past. All I've ever said was that the evidence points to LHO being the only person shooting at a President that day in Dallas and, especially recently, haven't presented anything to the contrary.
It's easy to get caught up within all
the details of the enormous amounts of
evidence relating to JFK's assassination.
I believe it might be a bit helpful
to simplify the task of sorting through
it, by eliminating certain aspects,
and focus on "key" elements.
In order to bypass endless debates,
just "walk through" the evidence,
until you bump into a "wall beyond reason",...
although there are many such walls,
and for the sake of simplicity,and
to make my point easier to understand,
I'll stop at those "walls", that are just too
"high" for reason to scale over.
-JFK was killed & JC was injured.
-one firearm/3 shots.
1 multiple wounds-shot*
WALL BEYOND REASON - CONDITION OF BULLET #399
Commission Exhibit #399, the bullet found on the stretcher,
is virtually undamaged and had no blood or tissue on it.
Its appearance is consistent with having been fired through
the rifle into water or cotton, and not causing all of the
7 wounds in both JFK & JC.
bullets test fired into JUST ONE human cadaver bone distorts
the condition of the bullet to an extreme degree.
If your definition of reason allows you to believe
that bullet #399 did create all that bodily damage
and still maintain its condition, without a trace of tissue
then you need not go any further wasting your time looking
into this matter, THE END.
For everyone else, that's it.
you don't half to "dig deeper" seeking evidence
to justify your conclusion that the Warren Commission
is fundamentally flawed, especially since so much
emphasis was placed on the SINGLE BULLET THEORY.
As with everyone else in everyday life, the moment
someone is caught in a lie, (or if you'd like, NOT
TELLING THE TRUTH) their credibility is damaged,
and everything else that they say becomes JUSTIFIABLY,
"questionable", deserving of an extra layer of scrutiny.
or in this case, (at the very least) A NEW INVESTIGATION
As an American,I'd prefer to live with a,
more truthful history, filled with corrected mistakes,
instead of a "perfect" one, filled with lies.
...nobody is perfect.
Comments on the condition of bullet 399 has always confused me. First, the bullet was not "pristine." It WAS distorted (Look at a picture of the bullet from the end, not the side). Also, if they knew they were going to plant a bullet, why didn't they just shoot up a cow or something to show a more anticipated distortion (at least for what they thought at the time). Finally, why would someone want to plant a "whole" bullet when it wasn't known if pieces of lead were left in someone's body? And finally, recent ballistics tests have shown that the bullet could very easily have gone through both people and emerge in a similar condition as found.
NO NEED TO SPECULATE.
Edgewood Arsenal Report
Wound Ballistics of 6.5–mm Mannlicher–Carcano Ammunition
Authorized by the Warren commission, but was not included
in official report,...
in fact it was buried, and didn't see the light of day for
the next 10 years, after, the assassination...
Dr Joseph Dolce’s letter
This is what it looks like after striking JUST ONE BONE
a. & b. bullet deformation from striking cancellous bone
c. & d. bullet deformation from striking cortical bone
a.bullet flattened by a glancing blow on the rib
b.undeformed bullet recovered from gelatin tissue model
...nobody is perfect.
From the article you posted, I quote from page 19: "The bullet that struck Governor Connally in the wrist was probably the same bullet that produced the chest wound and subsequently produced the small wound in the thigh. The comparative sizes of entrance and exit wounds, the amount of bone damage, and the lack of bullet deformation all indicate that the wrist was struck by a tumbling bullet traveling at a reduced velocity."
So yea, nothing there to support a conspiracy that I see.
-Edgewood Arsenal Report
-Dr Joseph Dolce’s letter
please, don't "cherry-pick" your replies,...aside from being annoying as hell,
it just makes anyone look bad
This was the reply, that you "conveniently" forgot to read,...
"I am disturbed as to why I was not asked by the Warren Commission to give final testimony, even though
Doctors Olivier and Dzimean, to whom I serve as their consultants were called, to give final testimony.
I had advised these Doctors to conduct certain experiments at Edgewood- which they did-and their findings
were not consistent with their testimony."
...nobody is perfect.
God forbid I do anything like "cherry-picking." I certainly don't want to be confused with conspiracy theorists....
Anyway, thanks for clearing that up, but it appears that for every opinion such as Dolce's, the appears to be an opposite opinion such as from this more recent scientific study: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/10/041025131255.htm
I HAVE 2 VERY BIG PROBLEMS WITH YOUR REPLY:
1- what you said:
"...it appears that for every opinion such as Dolce's,
the appears to be an opposite opinion such as from
this more recent scientific study,..."
2: what you cited:
both are COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT.
for the sake of the discussion,
and for mutual respect,...
If you want me to respect you,
(which I do)
Please, all I'm asking for you
to do, is to just take a moment or
two,....and think BEFORE you reply,
I want to be PERFECTLY CLEAR ON THIS,
When I cite something supporting my argument,
you are going to:
HOWEVER, if you are going to DISAGREE,
and also "DISMISS" or "INVALIDATE"
what I presented,...you should be prepared
to refer me to something that will do it.
with that being said,...
and in reply to your comment:
everyone does have an opinion, but, there is only one opinion,
that was in the UNIQUE position that he held,...
so, there are many people who can share their opinions,
including better ballistic experts, but NONE, have the
weight that his does.
simply, because HE WAS THERE, on record,...
we are OBLIGATED to ask "him" what happened
not the other way around,...and what he says
carries with it some pretty serious implications
to say the least,...
or in other words, what his testimony implies
is that there is some BULLSHIT goin on here,
the FACT that the Warren Commission excluded
this report from the findings, and then CLASSIFIED IT!
SUPPORTS what he is saying, TO A VERY HIGH DEGREE,
I believe it can be argued that this is,
prima facie evidence, of a cover-up,... easily
what can be argued, not so easily, is wether,
there was criminal intent behind it.
anyways, I appreciate your time, and opinion, thanks.
...nobody is perfect.
Why do you dismiss my comments as irrelevant? You seem to be placing a lot of emphasis on the comments of Dr. Dolce who conducted an experiment on ballistics and who's testimony was later "ignored" by the WC. Right? What I'm saying is that Dr. Dolce had an opinion on the bullet and what I'm trying to get across is that you should remember that other people had an opinion as well. His opinion's may or may not have been accurate. How do you know that there wasn't a perfectly logical explanation that Dolce wasn't called to testify?
The results from the study that I referenced shows that C399 could very well have acted as it did which would now make Dolce's testimony at the time now completely irrelevant. Just because Dolce's testimony wasn't provided and that his claims that the other two dude's testimonies were different than what he believes they should have been doesn't make a conspiracy. There was a lot of testimony presented to the Warren Commission that is readily available to look at that contradicts their final conclusion. I readily admit that there is evidence that supports both the single gunman and a conspiracy--but the truth can't be both.
And by the way Nobody, are you aware that your posts are eerily similar to Dave Mabus' posts? Just sayin'
the KEY FACT is that THEY LIED.
"...I had advised these Doctors to conduct certain experiments at Edgewood-
which they did-and their findings were not consistent with their testimony."
The EXPERT that they consulted, is saying, that he told them to add A + B,
and they did , A + B resulting in C,....but when they testified, they said
the result WAS NOT C!
don't burden yourself with the science of all this,...
it keeps your attention away from the mountain of lies,
that is right in front of you.
...they know that the best way to hide(it seems)a mountain
of lies, is to put it in plain sight.
aside from this,...and as far as I'm concerned,
The US Govt., our Govt., lost it's credibility long ago
they've lied, again & again, ...in fact so many times now,
that it's almost a formula to live by,...
-if they say black, they really mean white
-if they say, we'll turn left, they really mean right
-"the fundamentals of our economy is doing good"
-"we intend to spread democracy, peace and stability"
-"we must curb spending and pay off our National debt"
-"our freedoms are under attack, we therfore need more security"
IT NEVER ENDS.
This should let us know that,
this "governmental cancer" is systemic,
but that is a whole topic unto itself.
long story short,
They lied, plenty of evidence for it,
throw out the WC report, new investigation,...
...and let the chips fall where they may. THE END.
...nobody is perfect.
if it was a family member of yours, who was murdered,
and they handed you the WC report with the expectation
for you to believe it...tell me,... honestly how would you feel?
justice had been served?
...nobody is perfect.
Unless it was Dolce who lied. How do you know who did? Or, how do you know there wasn't a miscommunication between them? Or, how do you know that the other two Doctor's formed different opinions than Dolce? You appear to be "cherry picking" Mr. Mabus, err, I mean Mr. Nobody, and making a big deal out of potentially nothing.
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