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A Top Secret America - hidden from public view

Postby NinjaPuppy » 20 Jul 2010, 21:32

I found this interesting article in the "Washington Post" today- http://projects.washingtonpost.com/top-secret-america/articles/a-hidden-world-growing-beyond-control/
A hidden world, growing beyond control

The top-secret world the government created in response to the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, has become so large, so unwieldy and so secretive that no one knows how much money it costs, how many people it employs, how many programs exist within it or exactly how many agencies do the same work. These are some of the findings of a two-year investigation by The Washington Post that discovered what amounts to an alternative geography of the United States, a Top Secret America hidden from public view and lacking in thorough oversight. After nine years of unprecedented spending and growth, the result is that the system put in place to keep the United States safe is so massive that its effectiveness is impossible to determine.

It's getting scary out there people!
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Re: A Top Secret America - hidden from public view

Postby Craig Browning » 20 Jul 2010, 22:35

The "Secret Government" has existed since day one by way of the have's & have-not's or our society, but there have been two key points or events that resulted in expansion of this "secret society" as it were; Pearl Harbor and of course 9/11 but some suggest that a less dramatic situation added to an aspect of this action -- The Civil Rights bill signed in by LBJ... not that this new American has a 4th Reich flavoring to it or anything... :roll:

But it goes back to what I tell all those worried about the Free Masons & Illuminati... they've been in power for a very long time, have a far longer reach than you have, so why do you want to get all dramatic, paranoid and depressed over it... YOU'RE POWERLESS! "If" it is a genuine threat and you are viewed by "them" as being a "problem" you will either vanish, have an accident or be painted publicly as being a deluded fool... it's just how it's done and how it's been done (successfully, mind you) for generations if not eons.

So, let's just keep the blinders on but our ear's alert and do the best we can to live and live to the fullest 'they' let us. :lol:
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Re: A Top Secret America - hidden from public view

Postby NinjaPuppy » 20 Jul 2010, 22:48

"If" it is a genuine threat and you are viewed by "them" as being a "problem" you will either vanish, have an accident or be painted publicly as being a deluded fool... it's just how it's done and how it's been done (successfully, mind you) for generations if not eons.

So true, soooo very true.
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Re: A Top Secret America - hidden from public view

Postby ProfWag » 21 Jul 2010, 04:40

Oh for Chrissake! How in THE hell did a simple news article about the growing number of TS clearances and an overabundance of government agencies turn into a discussion of secret freemasons and illuminati running our country?
It simply amazes me how people can say in one sentence how disfunctional our government is and in the next say they are capable of pulling off top secret societies. Sometimes all I can do is shake my head.
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Re: A Top Secret America - hidden from public view

Postby RarelyImpressed » 21 Jul 2010, 16:21

There is evidence of a secret hand within our goverment I think some of these "claims" are more plausible then the afterlife and other related paranormal topics.Not saying that any of the evidence presents absolute truth. I find it funny how SOME people think they goverment and corporations care about them or have not dealt with any kind of corruption. Just because the goverment doesn't know how to run our country correctly does not mean they can not be manipulative. Even if some cracks appeared in their "grand scheme" it could be easily covered up and twisted and washed away considering how dumb downed the masses are. Any explanation they would offer would probably be acceptable to a "skeptic" or many of the dumbed down masses. What do we really know? We have to sort through the evidence and our own hunches...or own bias. I'm sure we can all find evidence that the goverment has technology we probably haven't heard of yet, but nothing absolute...photos can be altered.....media can be controlled.....things can be erased off the internet, people can be paid off to spread misinformation and some people can be paid off to keep their mouth shut in general and some people lie for no damn reason at all.
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Re: A Top Secret America - hidden from public view

Postby ProfWag » 21 Jul 2010, 20:22

I'll be the first person to say that the US Government are a corrupt bunch of bastards and cover up all sorts of stuff, but there's little to no evidence they are part of some grand illuminati group. The Freemason's do have some inside influence and power, no doubt, but so does the VFW.
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Re: A Top Secret America - hidden from public view

Postby Craig Browning » 21 Jul 2010, 23:08

Ignoring the dramatics around the Illuminati theory, we do know that a handful of prominent families pull the strings to many things world wide and have for centuries. This isn't conjecture, it's a matter of fact. Whether these people belong to some secret society with ill-intentions is beside the fact, they still pull this and that thread and manipulate circumstance in a plethora of ways... including the part of being "untouchable".

My comment above is meant to disarm the dramatics, it is a retort I use with the more "fringe" thinkers I get to enjoy so often... it simply points out that they are powerless if this is the case, so why are they being so paranoid and hyped over it? IF they exist, the people have been powerless in usurping their influence and ability to rise back up out of the ashes.

Does this mean I don't believe in such things?

NO... in fact I do have some suspicion that something akin to the whole Illuminati drama does exist, but that's not what I was trying to bring up earlier, I was just drawing a parallel.
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Re: A Top Secret America - hidden from public view

Postby Scepcop » 21 Jul 2010, 23:56

Craig Browning wrote:The "Secret Government" has existed since day one by way of the have's & have-not's or our society, but there have been two key points or events that resulted in expansion of this "secret society" as it were; Pearl Harbor and of course 9/11 but some suggest that a less dramatic situation added to an aspect of this action -- The Civil Rights bill signed in by LBJ... not that this new American has a 4th Reich flavoring to it or anything... :roll:

But it goes back to what I tell all those worried about the Free Masons & Illuminati... they've been in power for a very long time, have a far longer reach than you have, so why do you want to get all dramatic, paranoid and depressed over it... YOU'RE POWERLESS! "If" it is a genuine threat and you are viewed by "them" as being a "problem" you will either vanish, have an accident or be painted publicly as being a deluded fool... it's just how it's done and how it's been done (successfully, mind you) for generations if not eons.

So, let's just keep the blinders on but our ear's alert and do the best we can to live and live to the fullest 'they' let us. :lol:


So true. Our first President George Washington was a Freemason, and nearly all the Founders of the Constitution were too. The Statue of Liberty is a Masonic symbol. And the architecture around Washington DC is all Masonic as well. There are Masonic symbols even on our dollar bill. What could be more obvious? Connect the dots!

Even FDR once supposedly said, "World events do not happen by accident. They are orchestrated."

What I don't get though, is why the conspiracy leaders that expose all this stuff haven't been silenced. How is it that Alex Jones and David Icke are allowed to spread all their stuff and get away with it? They must be allowed to live for some reason. Either they haven't done enough damage yet. Or they are spreading disinfo (unintentionally) and so serve some use to the "secret government". They definitely are passionate and believe in what they are saying themselves. I don't doubt that. So if they are disinfo agents, they are unknowingly.

But then why have they assassinated others, like Brian Jones of the Rolling Stones, Jimmy Hendrix, Martin Luther King Jr, etc.?

ProfWag, is it your position that every mysterious death is an accident and that there are no secret assassinations by this "secret government" that are outside your knowledge? Or do you believe that nothing is true that we don't know about, and that secrets don't exist?
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Re: A Top Secret America - hidden from public view

Postby Scepcop » 22 Jul 2010, 00:00

RarelyImpressed wrote:There is evidence of a secret hand within our goverment I think some of these "claims" are more plausible then the afterlife and other related paranormal topics.Not saying that any of the evidence presents absolute truth. I find it funny how SOME people think they goverment and corporations care about them or have not dealt with any kind of corruption. Just because the goverment doesn't know how to run our country correctly does not mean they can not be manipulative. Even if some cracks appeared in their "grand scheme" it could be easily covered up and twisted and washed away considering how dumb downed the masses are. Any explanation they would offer would probably be acceptable to a "skeptic" or many of the dumbed down masses. What do we really know? We have to sort through the evidence and our own hunches...or own bias. I'm sure we can all find evidence that the goverment has technology we probably haven't heard of yet, but nothing absolute...photos can be altered.....media can be controlled.....things can be erased off the internet, people can be paid off to spread misinformation and some people can be paid off to keep their mouth shut in general and some people lie for no damn reason at all.


Possibly. According to some insiders, the government also has secret technology that can project holograms and create UFO's in the sky. Some say the UFO's are a distraction on you while they kill you off with manufactured diseases.

And of course, there is HAARP and the secret technology there.

But of course, according to people like ProfWag, NOTHING exists that we don't know about, so there are no "fantastic" secrets that are being kept from us. We know it all, or at least he does.

Right ProfWag?
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Re: A Top Secret America - hidden from public view

Postby really? » 22 Jul 2010, 04:08

Oh for Christ's sake. With the exception of PW and NP what kind of paranoid world do you folks live in that you find it necessary to concoct such fanciful nonsense. I really have no idea how such minds work.
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Re: A Top Secret America - hidden from public view

Postby ProfWag » 22 Jul 2010, 09:10

Scepcop wrote:
But of course, according to people like ProfWag, NOTHING exists that we don't know about, so there are no "fantastic" secrets that are being kept from us. We know it all, or at least he does.

Right ProfWag?

Scepcop, kindly look back 3 posts ago, read what I said, and kindly retract your statement.
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Re: A Top Secret America - hidden from public view

Postby Craig Browning » 22 Jul 2010, 22:49

Possibly. According to some insiders, the government also has secret technology that can project holograms and create UFO's in the sky. Some say the UFO's are a distraction on you while they kill you off with manufactured diseases.

And of course, there is HAARP and the secret technology there.


Please tell me you're being sarcastic here...

While there is "Classified" technology out there I really doubt the government would spend millions of dollars to create massive holograms of this sort. But I can assure you that it DOES experiment on the public when it comes to virus/biologically based warfare tactics; maybe not the general populace, but there is documentation pertaining to federal prisons as well as members of the military on whom some very cruel "unannounced" experiments have been imposed upon. There is likewise existing proof as to how "our" government/military has exploited the populations of other nations for such "trials"... this is especially true when it comes to "unwanted" types... people of color, gender associated, even religious/cultural elements that the Caucasian seats of power feel the need to suppress and keep "handled".
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Re: A Top Secret America - hidden from public view

Postby Craig Browning » 23 Jul 2010, 11:55

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Re: A Top Secret America - hidden from public view

Postby NinjaPuppy » 23 Jul 2010, 19:57

really? wrote:Oh for Christ's sake. With the exception of PW and NP what kind of paranoid world do you folks live in that you find it necessary to concoct such fanciful nonsense. I really have no idea how such minds work.

As for me, I've been told many times that I have 'more guts than brains'. I very much enjoy a challenge and prefer to try things that others say, can't be done. To put things into perspective, I don't believe in 'tilting at windmills' and my interests don't involve solving the world's problems. I wasted two decades of my early life disproving the then common theory "girls can't do THAT!"

I experienced the establishment's 'control' and recognized it as a young child. This crap starts the day you are born. First it's your family teachings that get ingrained in your head. Then you go off to school and you are taught the biggest bunch of useless bull sh!t by teachers who are under paid in a system that lacks the funds to do anything other than hand you some 'approved' books in a half assed attempt to educate you so you can go forward and get into the worker bee system. If your family has the means and the money, you can go on to higher education so you don't have to spend the rest of your life digging ditches or riding on the back of a garbage truck to earn a living. Ahhh, the good old, worn out, American dream! Dad gets to work his arse off for 'the man' just to put food on the table because the 'tax man' takes his share to make sure that the little guy never gets ahead. If a woman lands 'a good man' she might be able to stay home and have some 'quality time' with her little runny nosed pack of rug rats and start the system all over again.

We get our 'control' conditioning to everything smelling of government control in kindergarten.
Line up straight! Don't talk out of turn! Pay attention to authority! Color IN the lines... and the list goes on and on and on as we go from grade to grade.

We are all conditioned to stay in the norm. It's the only way that the government can controll the masses. Free thinkers and open minded persons need not apply. Society has many ways of dealing with those people and none of them are pleasant. Back in the day, if a boy was considered rebelliant, they were sent to military school! Ooooh, now there's a great way to instill some structure and order to that boys life! Trouble makers got sent away. You can't have them disrupting the status quo.
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Re: A Top Secret America - hidden from public view

Postby Craig Browning » 23 Jul 2010, 23:07

Ninja Puppy THANK YOU!

I can agree with a lot of what you've said though I do believe that "discipline" is needed in life...such as learning to color within the lines and proper modes of effective speaking... I'm also one for decorum vs. the more dramatic modes of expression for the most part BUT, believe the latter has its time and place as well... the gods know I'm not one to bite my tongue :oops: Then again, they are quite aware as to how I've found myself ostracized in a general way, because of my views and willingness to express them; this is especially true when it comes to my family, that ban of loving Christians who loathe me because of my sexual identity, my social-political beliefs and the level of my education over theirs (they think me arrogant because I graduated high school when most of them didn't)

We mustn't blame the government completely when it comes to the sort of indoctrination process you're speaking of though, there is a far older and more cunning demon involved that shares the same bed -- Religion.

I can't recall the book I read it in, but the essence of what it expressed is that the Government passes laws and establishes the parameters of a society while the Church "governs" by way of psychological/emotional manipulation i.e. if you don't behave you'll go to hell... Of course, when theocracy becomes the rule there is no such thing as "freedom" on any front, so what we have is probably the lesser of the two poisons :?
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