13 Jun 2010, 19:42
13 Jun 2010, 21:38
Now, if anyone here sees nothing wrong with kids being trained to use machine guns and obey the State and sing praises to their leader, then your head is truly F-ed!
14 Jun 2010, 00:31
14 Jun 2010, 00:35
NinjaPuppy wrote:I'm going to start at the end and end at the begining of your post:Now, if anyone here sees nothing wrong with kids being trained to use machine guns and obey the State and sing praises to their leader, then your head is truly F-ed!
Scouting began in 1907 when Robert Baden-Powell, Lieutenant General in the British Army, held the first Scouting encampment at Brownsea Island in England. Baden-Powell wrote the principles of Scouting in Scouting for Boys (London, 1908), based on his earlier military books....
Scouting was started with a military program in mind. It has morphed over it's 100+ years but IMO it has always been a child training group for this purpose. I don't find it such a strech to think that they might want to upgrade the program to include a more open militaristic flair since 911. Actually, I have no problem at all with children being properly trained to use weapons at any age. I was three when I got my first introduction to weapons. My dad would take me into the yard during his 'hunting practice' and explain all the safety aspects of different guns and the proper way to handle them. By time I was 10 I could pretty much take out a target without a problem. Guns were never 'glorified' in my family. They were considered lethal weapons and treated as such. They had one purpose and that was to kill and were only drawn with that intent.
It did make me feel more confident that if put in a life or death postion, that I had the basic skills and know how to perhaps live to tell about it. With the way things are going in this world right now, I see no problem in teaching children proper weapon handling.
As for the singing praises to "Our Fearless Leader"... those videos were from Obama's campaign commercials. That little girl singing at the begining squicked me out from day one. Yes, eerily similar to Hitler's little ditty sang by the children of Germany. No doubt. I am no fan of Obama. But as a former Girl Scout... I was taught to support the government and to pledge allegience to the flag of the United States of America. I do that by backing programs that I personally believe in. In other words, I may not agree with any of this war but I fully support the men and women of this country who fight for our freedom and who keep us safe in the process. War sucks no matter how you slice it. The world is changing and if we don't keep up with the changes we are going to fall dangerously behind. It isn't bad enough that we have entire governments that would like to see us all dead. We have plenty of home grown nuts who are more than willing to help in our demise.
14 Jun 2010, 00:46
14 Jun 2010, 01:13
Obviously they start with the poorest most desperate kids cause they are the most vulnerable.
Did you see the article? They are being trained to fight and kill US veterans! They are being trained as Gestapo forces, not as citizens who just do good things. And they are told to report their parents too! Did you do that when you were a girl scout? Were you trained with weapons and to function as a SWAT team?
Last month, Infowars reported on a document produced by the Department of Homeland Security’s National Infrastructure Coordinating Center identifying advocates of the Second Amendment, veterans, pro-life activists, and militia members as dangerous terrorists. A subsequent DHS document, entitled “Domestic Extremism Lexicon,” pinpointed “antigovernment” types “rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority” as possible terrorists.
14 Jun 2010, 01:20
Scepcop wrote:Btw, is Alex Jones right when he said that his dad in the 60's was allowed to bring a shotgun to school so he could go shooting with his teacher after school? Kids were allowed to bring guns to school in those days?
Yet there were no school shootings!
15 Jun 2010, 00:43
NinjaPuppy wrote:Scepcop wrote:Btw, is Alex Jones right when he said that his dad in the 60's was allowed to bring a shotgun to school so he could go shooting with his teacher after school? Kids were allowed to bring guns to school in those days?
Yet there were no school shootings!
That was sort of my point about my story. It was not a problem to carry a knife in school when I was a kid. Heck, the nuns used to carry them as they were considered necessary to peel an apple or cut string on the fly.
I was taught that a gun was not a toy nor was it something that you used for intimidation. It had one purpose, to kill. Having a gun didn't make you cool or someone to be feared. You didn't show it off or let other people handle it. How that mindset got screwed up, I have no idea.
15 Jun 2010, 01:19
Scepcop wrote:So you grew up in the 50's and 60's? Wow.
Scepcop wrote:Were people as innocent and kind hearted as they were in the Leave it to Beaver show and Andy Griffin Show, or even in The Big Valley? Did you ever watch The Big Valley? I'll bet you had a crush on those guys in it huh?
15 Jun 2010, 03:00
15 Jun 2010, 05:04
17 Jun 2010, 00:53
NinjaPuppy wrote:Scepcop wrote:So you grew up in the 50's and 60's? Wow.
Wow? I'm sorry, I am chuckling here due to the "Wow".Scepcop wrote:Were people as innocent and kind hearted as they were in the Leave it to Beaver show and Andy Griffin Show, or even in The Big Valley? Did you ever watch The Big Valley? I'll bet you had a crush on those guys in it huh?
They were no different then than they are today. The difference was that the media didn't portray disfunctionality as acceptable. In the late 70s it was The Moral Majority that tried to keep what the average American saw on TV 'wholesome family entertainment'. Before that it was the Hays Office and of course the Motion Picture Production Code http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_Pic ... ction_Code as television cam much later than motion pictures.
Nothing was different except for the control over what you were and weren't allowed to see in the media.
17 Jun 2010, 00:55
ProfWag wrote:Yo Scepcop, when was the last time you did a search of the internet on something that's actually useful, beneficial, and/or non anti-governmental?
17 Jun 2010, 01:47
I research all kinds of things, including history. Whatever I am interested in. That's my business. You can't control a man's passions.
What I research is useful to ME.
17 Jun 2010, 03:17
Scepcop wrote:When I said Wow, I meant "Wow now I can learn about the past from you" I am a history fan and feel very nostalgic about the past. But of course, we tend to remember the past as better than it actually was.
SCEPCOP wrote:But I always hear that people back then were different in that they were less paranoid, not as eager to sue everyone, and that neighbors knew each other and had barbecues a lot. That's why people who are over 50 in America tend to be more easy going, good natured and open to talking to strangers. Isn't that true? Nowadays, hardly anyone knows their neighbors anymore. They are glued to TV's and more in a bubble.